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Is this the end of Star Wars Role Play?; Is this the end?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2008, 04:49 PM (183 Views)
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Look at this role play now. We have let our ego's take over so much and our big heads. That we have actually let the Role Play that we all know and love split up? Like seriously? This is crazy.

How do we expect to continue roleplaying with the rp split. We have so many problem you guys that we cant all get together like actual normal people and work this out? Why cant we all just sit down like Young Men and Woman and talk this out on HABBO instead of the forum? Not saying I have a problem with the forum but just maybe it will work if everyone is there. You never know until you try it.

But we really cant function with the Role play split. Honestly we really should be able to come here Fight, Scene, Have fun. I mean nothing is wrong with having rules. But we need to make a committe that THE PEOPLE of the role play vote in and they make the rules I think it should consist of 10 people. Does that not sound logical or is it stupid?

I mean if the PEOPLE of the Role play do it at least they would be happy. We should vote for the people in the committe about every month or so for it to change if something is done or someone is trying to become power hungry. Which is why there shouldent be a "Leader" of this committee. There shall just be ten people. Lets see if that wont work out or something. Make the rules affective and efficient instead of all this bickering and argueing. Just a thought.

-Jordan [ DarkFaller. ]
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John
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Says the kid who deals DoF's out the ass.
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That might work actually.

But some people don't want to Sp put back together.

Thet want one for Roleplay and one for Spam.
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niggers can think?
i thought they could only rob stores and rape little girls.
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Good one John. That is the exact kind of response, that causes feuds between people. These feuds lead to people hating one another. The people hating one another won't role play with another. They'll then get their friends to hate on you, and then what happens? The role play turns into a fucking swamp full of hatred. Which it already is. So mind being a little bit more friendlier in your responses?
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John
Jul 22 2008, 04:53 PM
Says the kid who deals DoF's out the ass.

We'll I am sorry for the way I have been acting. I am willing to change for the sake of this Roleplaying game. Ok "friend" if I can call you that. :)
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Jul 22 2008, 04:49 PM
Look at this role play now. We have let our ego's take over so much and our big heads. That we have actually let the Role Play that we all know and love split up? Like seriously? This is crazy.

How do we expect to continue roleplaying with the rp split. We have so many problem you guys that we cant all get together like actual normal people and work this out? Why cant we all just sit down like Young Men and Woman and talk this out on HABBO instead of the forum? Not saying I have a problem with the forum but just maybe it will work if everyone is there. You never know until you try it.

But we really cant function with the Role play split. Honestly we really should be able to come here Fight, Scene, Have fun. I mean nothing is wrong with having rules. But we need to make a committe that THE PEOPLE of the role play vote in and they make the rules I think it should consist of 10 people. Does that not sound logical or is it stupid?

I mean if the PEOPLE of the Role play do it at least they would be happy. We should vote for the people in the committe about every month or so for it to change if something is done or someone is trying to become power hungry. Which is why there shouldent be a "Leader" of this committee. There shall just be ten people. Lets see if that wont work out or something. Make the rules affective and efficient instead of all this bickering and argueing. Just a thought.

-Jordan [ DarkFaller. ]

Firstly, the RP has split? If you're refering to Danny's order saying "We're not obeying forums rules". then thats just him throwing a tantrum. Doesnt really effect anyone else.


Secondly, if the RP were to split, It'd honestly be better (depending on how mature people would be, and who was leading it). I've lead a SWRP split once before. Redemption was one. At first, about 60 people said they were interested. I then went ahead and made/governed everything. And funnily enough, the people who wernt interested soon were; because it was their old RP which was failing. It's always the dedicated RP'ers who actually join a split-off first, heh. Some people asked me the other day why I dont do it again, considering things are shit now. I said I dont see the point in making the effort, considering the majority is lazy. Although, as I said to someone, if they got a petition of about 60 recognizable RP'ers, I'd fucking do it tbh. I know just who to contact.

Thirdly, there was a time for about two years where we did just ''sit down on habbo'' and discuss problems, issues, improvements about once a week. And what's really hilarious is, although such is frowned upon now, it actually equalled a better state of RP then what we have now.

A comittee, a voting terminal, there's no difference. The experienced will always rule.

A comittee = you're putting the experienced people in power. People will vote for people who know what they're talking about. (Well, I wouldnt be suprised due to the stupidity around here, that people would vote most least suitable people possible).

A voting terminal = whenever an experienced person posts, or does their vote; it influences the opinions, and changes the mind of the less experienced before they vote.

Either way, the experienced ruling is unavoidable. And thank fuck that it is.

Fourthly, there's no "Lets see what will work". Look to the past, then you'll know what works.

Fact: Ever since forums were introduced, RP turned into this. Got closer and closer to this every month.

Fact: Senate worked, but not with Greeno as chancellor, because rules were bent to agenda, and an inexperienced mind made them.

Fact: Senate worked when I changed a little. I basically called myself a host, instead of a chancellor: chancellor sounded too extreme. And each sunday at the same time, I hosted a meeting with every role player online. Things would be suggested, discussed, etc. The rules were on a site.
www.freewebs.com/swrp-redemption (if i remember correctly)
I did additional things: RP journal/storyline, spaceport, and simply moderated.

Fact: On UK, one trusted person dictated everything (mike). Everyone was happy with it, and rules were set on stickies in a room, and alternately on a site.

Fact: UK then switched to forums in 06. Look where their RP is now.

Fact: CA and AU did the same. Look at them.
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Elliot
Jul 22 2008, 05:07 PM
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Jul 22 2008, 04:49 PM
Look at this role play now. We have let our ego's take over so much and our big heads. That we have actually let the Role Play that we all know and love split up? Like seriously? This is crazy.

How do we expect to continue roleplaying with the rp split. We have so many problem you guys that we cant all get together like actual normal people and work this out? Why cant we all just sit down like Young Men and Woman and talk this out on HABBO instead of the forum? Not saying I have a problem with the forum but just maybe it will work if everyone is there. You never know until you try it.

But we really cant function with the Role play split. Honestly we really should be able to come here Fight, Scene, Have fun. I mean nothing is wrong with having rules. But we need to make a committe that THE PEOPLE of the role play vote in and they make the rules I think it should consist of 10 people. Does that not sound logical or is it stupid?

I mean if the PEOPLE of the Role play do it at least they would be happy. We should vote for the people in the committe about every month or so for it to change if something is done or someone is trying to become power hungry. Which is why there shouldent be a "Leader" of this committee. There shall just be ten people. Lets see if that wont work out or something. Make the rules affective and efficient instead of all this bickering and argueing. Just a thought.

-Jordan [ DarkFaller. ]

Firstly, the RP has split? If you're refering to Danny's order saying "We're not obeying forums rules". then thats just him throwing a tantrum. Doesnt really effect anyone else.


Secondly, if the RP were to split, It'd honestly be better (depending on how mature people would be, and who was leading it). I've lead a SWRP split once before. Redemption was one. At first, about 60 people said they were interested. I then went ahead and made/governed everything. And funnily enough, the people who wernt interested soon were; because it was their old RP which was failing. It's always the dedicated RP'ers who actually join a split-off first, heh. Some people asked me the other day why I dont do it again, considering things are shit now. I said I dont see the point in making the effort, considering the majority is lazy. Although, as I said to someone, if they got a petition of about 60 recognizable RP'ers, I'd fucking do it tbh. I know just who to contact.

Thirdly, there was a time for about two years where we did just ''sit down on habbo'' and discuss problems, issues, improvements about once a week. And what's really hilarious is, although such is frowned upon now, it actually equalled a better state of RP then what we have now.

A comittee, a voting terminal, there's no difference. The experienced will always rule.

A comittee = you're putting the experienced people in power. People will vote for people who know what they're talking about. (Well, I wouldnt be suprised due to the stupidity around here, that people would vote most least suitable people possible).

A voting terminal = whenever an experienced person posts, or does their vote; it influences the opinions, and changes the mind of the less experienced before they vote.

Either way, the experienced ruling is unavoidable. And thank fuck that it is.

Fourthly, there's no "Lets see what will work". Look to the past, then you'll know what works.

Fact: Ever since forums were introduced, RP turned into this. Got closer and closer to this every month.

Fact: Senate worked, but not with Greeno as chancellor, because rules were bent to agenda, and an inexperienced mind made them.

Fact: Senate worked when I changed a little. I basically called myself a host, instead of a chancellor: chancellor sounded too extreme. And each sunday at the same time, I hosted a meeting with every role player online. Things would be suggested, discussed, etc. The rules were on a site.
www.freewebs.com/swrp-redemption (if i remember correctly)
I did additional things: RP journal/storyline, spaceport, and simply moderated.

Fact: On UK, one trusted person dictated everything (mike). Everyone was happy with it, and rules were set on stickies in a room, and alternately on a site.

Fact: UK then switched to forums in 06. Look where their RP is now.

Fact: CA and AU did the same. Look at them.

Well, I am not trying to sound stubborn. But I dont think there should be a "Leader" of the Role play. Thats just putting shit heads in charge, something we just dont need. Like I said we wont know until we try this idea.

If the people of this Roleplay want to pick the "Least Fit" as you would call it. Let them its OUR role play as a comminuty. And if you could show me 20 people that actually said that to you I would shit myself honestly. I say we give this idea a try. And splitting the Role play wouldent be good Elliot.

Are you like for real? Sooner or later we will eventually leave this Role playing game. And as you said, that the more experiance role player's break away right? That sounds like two things to me.

Your trying to bring more people to your side of the split honestly maybe I am wrong just saying. And the second one is that once the "Experianced" role players quit.. then what.. what have they taught the new people. What you just said in that post was totally weird to me maybe I am the only one who thinks that maybe I am not but you have your Opinion and I have mine.


Edit: And the Role play has split Elliot, Danny's Jedi Order. And Nicks Sith Order. And Jr's Jedi Order and Ricks Sith Order
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This isn't the end, it's merely another step in the decline of the Rp.

The best thing for this Rp would be to establish a simple set of rules and close the forums. (Permanently)
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Interesting.
Maybe once Force Unleashed comes out and if the new animated movie does not suck, I may find my interest in SWRp once more. But in honesty, I guess I can say it's not the Roleplay to blame, but the Roleplayers. However, all what I'm saying is not new and everyone has heard it before.

Sometimes you can't change something, and only time can change it. Idiots who try to "force" change get no where with it. If you can't change something, let it change naturally.

EDIT - Btw, Elliot, I was there at the time of the Redemption.
If I remember correctly, and most likely I do, about 30% of the Rp'ers went to your part of the Rp, the rest stayed with Nick since he had much more influence than you back then.

Then, I also remember, the tele in your room always lagged out, and thne your part of the Rp declined drastically and then you gave up and we resumed with the Rp.

Yes it was much more like that.

Oh, and SwRp Redemption was much different from when you split the Rp up from Nick. I remember SWRp Redemption, and yes, it did save the Rp, however it happend a long time after you split the Rp up.
There two different things.

You created SWRp Redemption because there was no SWRp basically.
Everyone joined Avatar Roleplay or some other Roleplay.
Then you made SWrp Redemption, the Sith and Jedi Order.
You then invited everyone and suprisingly, everyone returned to SWrp. Yes I was one of them and I remember you asking me to come back too. And I won't lie, Redemption was decent.

But I doubt it would work now.
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Everyone in Danny's order is doing what they want. They ignore anyone they don't like and guess what? It's working out perfectly.

Everyone is relaxed, we're having classes when we feel like it, there are no rules to guide is.

In Danny and Nick's orders, everything is going great. Everyone is happy and no one cares.

Why? We've learned to ignore the rules. Even me, and that's saying something.

The roleplaying has shot through the roof by tenfold... at least, inside of the order. The main room is always OOC, but inside of the order, it's all RP.

And guess what, it's fun.
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SWRP Redemption was after Nick left, FYI. The only reason it failed was because Sam introduced the Forums, because he disagree'd with a Senate.

I dont agree with the Jedi being it's own seperate Order. We're turning into UK.

Jedi are sick of Sith raiding. Sith are only doing their job. Sith want to dominate the entire Galaxy. Jedi are supposed to stop them, and not allow them. So, the Sith kill the Jedi.

Are the Jedi doing their job? No.

ICly, the Sith could take control of the Senate, install horror, and take over the Galaxy.

What will the Jedi be doing? Nothing. Sitting in their Order, having a nice chat with each other "yes master" this and "yes master" that. Totally oblivious to whats happening within the Galaxy.

Fact is, the Jedi's job is to serve and protect the Galaxy. How can they do that if they're cooped up in their Order all the time?

They should be given assignments to go to other planets, patrol, serve, protect. And go through the risk of bumping into a Sith, and doing one on one combat, etc.

But thats all fine, apparently.

WE ARE RP'IN IN OUR OWN ORDER, IT'S FUN, SO IT'S ALL FINE.

It's not all fine. It's destroyed the entire point of a storyline. It's destroyed realism, and it's destroyed what Star Wars revolves around: The warfare between light and dark.

Sith are doing their job.
Jedi arent.

Jedi are incapable, they're lazy, and they always lose. They never fight back.

Why not? They should be training, fighting off the threat of the Sith. It should be all out warfare. Warfare doesnt have to be spamming. It's only made into spam by the immaturity of people.

If you're mature enough, you'll do some verbal roleplaying.

Noteable examples:

Anakin and Obi wan vs. Dooku.

-they start fighting-
Dooku: "I've been looking forward to this."
Anakin: "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, count."
Dooku: "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall."
-they go back into fighting again-

Thats role play between Jedi and Sith, like it or not.

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Jordan I'm going to make this simple for you:
You're one of the reasons that this roleplay is in this state, apart from Danny's tantrum you deal DoF's out to everyone you don't actually roleplay you just try and duel everyone all the time that is not what roleplay is all about. roleplaying is about taking on the role of a character and playing out that characters life and in this case the basic principal is that your character is involved in star wars somehow wether they'd be sith, jedi w.e besides playing out the roles of that character when in character, you'd be expected to go out and do missions for the Dark lord in the case of the Stih and in the case of the Jedi you'd study and train with your master etc or train your padawan and do some missions on various IC planets, but you all sit and talk OoC in both of the roleplays as this split the only scenes I've seen are the raids that turn out with spam again in both of the roleplays due to the split.

But I can assure you the roleplay is not going to end, it's taking a few steps downhill but it will pass it goes through these stages sometimes and sometimes it's a good thing it makes those that are noobish leave the roleplay as they get bored but those loyal to mike and andy & I hate to say this even sticking by Reid will know that this will pass.
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Elliot, you act so blind.

Sith are not doing their job. Heavens they're extinct since Rick took over. (The only sith are you and Rick, what an Empire?)

Jedi are doing their job. I've joined the Jedi and watched numerous classes proceed without any interruptions from the Sith.

"Jedi are incapable, they're lazy, and they always lose. They never fight back."

Why should they fight back? Even when they win the Sith argue about death. If you've given one thing to this Rp it's the fact that noone has to add dead and that there's always an excuse out of death.
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I dont agree with the Jedi being it's own seperate Order. We're turning into UK.


We're roleplaying. Whether we bear a resemblance to anything, isn't that what the aim has and always will be? To fix the roleplay?


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Jedi are sick of Sith raiding. Sith are only doing their job. Sith want to dominate the entire Galaxy. Jedi are supposed to stop them, and not allow them. So, the Sith kill the Jedi.


At the same time, the Sith don't come to the Jedi Order in star wars by themselves or in groups of 2 and 3, call the Jedi noobs as they attack then sit inside talking about complete crap while they drink mochas either.



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ICly, the Sith could take control of the Senate, install horror, and take over the Galaxy.

What will the Jedi be doing? Nothing. Sitting in their Order, having a nice chat with each other "yes master" this and "yes master" that. Totally oblivious to whats happening within the Galaxy.

Fact is, the Jedi's job is to serve and protect the Galaxy. How can they do that if they're cooped up in their Order all the time?


They're forced into constantly trying to train to protect themselves from duelers coming in and causing trouble, leaving no time for anything else. The fact that they don't train is because they are so sick of having to do that, the only thing that they really can do.



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They should be given assignments to go to other planets, patrol, serve, protect. And go through the risk of bumping into a Sith, and doing one on one combat, etc.


They do missions between themselves at their discretion, and believe me, it does happen.




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WE ARE RP'IN IN OUR OWN ORDER, IT'S FUN, SO IT'S ALL FINE.

It's not all fine. It's destroyed the entire point of a storyline. It's destroyed realism, and it's destroyed what Star Wars revolves around: The warfare between light and dark.


Stop with this realism. Sith do not stand around in Jedi Orders. Sith plan and fuck shit up, Sith bicker between themselves. If we want to be realistic, a galactic war can't be fought in between 3 rooms, as its not the same size of the galaxy meaning we have to make some sort of compensation to distance ourselves a bit more.

Maybe it has destroyed realism to so extent, but so what? This realism only benefits the Sith, so regardless its of no interest or advantage to SWRP in the first place. Its of interest and advantage to people who want to fight and fight and fight.


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Jedi are incapable, they're lazy, and they always lose. They never fight back.

Why not? They should be training, fighting off the threat of the Sith. It should be all out warfare. Warfare doesnt have to be spamming. It's only made into spam by the immaturity of people.


SWRP is spam because SWRP is currently dueling based. Spam based. If the Sith actually did something once in a while other than make the odd giant room with a throne in the middle every other month and actually did something constructive with their time (e.g, made a proper sith order, started recruiting), maybe things would be better.

But the fact of the matter is, every Sith is a defective Jedi, you guys don't recruit whatsoever, you guys leech from the Jedi then try and say you develop yourselves. You don't. You make the odd order and close it a week later and in the meantime either hang out in the Jedi Order or (once in a blue moon) hang out at your sith order talking about the EXACT same stuff you bitch at the jedi for when you say they're lazy.



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Anakin and Obi wan vs. Dooku.

-they start fighting-
Dooku: "I've been looking forward to this."
Anakin: "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, count."
Dooku: "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall."
-they go back into fighting again-

Thats role play between Jedi and Sith, like it or not.


Of course forgetting about the other 230923050182 hours of the movie where the Sith and the Jedi aren't even in contact. If you want to be "realistic", thats a 3 minute time window in an hour and a half movie. Sith and Jedi aren't constantly fighting.
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