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Report on 9/11 - My Conspiracy; My take on what happened.
Topic Started: Jul 9 2008, 04:03 PM (750 Views)
Liam //
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Mods and admins - you have no reason to delete this other then your own personal opinion.
Please, don't use that power to overcome those who do not have the same power.
If you do not like what i post, please, feel free to debate with us.
If you do not, then please refrain from removing the topic yourself.
Simple rules apply - if you don't like it, don't read it.
I wish for people to debate with me on this, and i can't if higher power is getting in the way, just for personal satisfaction.



** WARNING - If some one you know has died from 9/11, the following may offend you - WARNING **

There are several precarious facts of the 9/11 "terrorist" incident.

The following is the report given for the happenings of 9/11:

On September 11, 2001, there was an attack on America.
There are some men that decided that they didn't like what America stands for: freedom, liberty, and the rights of men and women of all races, backgrounds, and beliefs. So on the morning of September 11, 2001, they hijacked four planes and attacked America in a terrible way.
Two of the airplanes were crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City. The third plane was crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. The last plane was going to crash into another building in Washington, D.C., but the passengers stopped the hijackers, and the plane crashed into a field instead.
Thousands of people lost their lives through these attacks. Hundreds of people were on the planes. Thousands died in the buildings that were hit by those planes.
The men that arranged this terrible attack want Americans to feel afraid and disorganized. They want to make people who live in this country do what they say by threatening us. Basically they're big bullies.
The people of the United States are a strong group of people. Keep faith in who you are and what our country stands for and we will become even stronger than before.


Now, several things don't add up.
I will point these things out.

To start things off, lets go with the simple.
All eyewitnesses say that this "passenger plane" had no windows.
There is no video evidence that shows the plane having windows along the side.
A airliner with no windows?
<.<
>.>

Now for the advance.

This "passenger" plane crashed into a building, and the flames from that plane supposedly melted the steel structure of the building, causing the entire building to collapse.

Now, jet fuel burns as hot as 2000°F.
The steel company that crafted the steel for the tower reported that their lowest quality steel has a melting point of 2500°F.

They then go on to say that it wasn't the lowest quality, it was much higher and fire proof quality - which they recorded softening at 5000°F.
Then the head manager of the steel company commented, "why anyone would think it would completely melt at 2000°F is beyond me."

As for the towers;
Jet fuel burns bright yellow.
When you see any ordinary plane crash, bright yellow flames come around them.
Yet reports and video evidence show bright flashes, dark orange fire, mushroom clouds rising, and cameras shaking nearly 9 seconds before the building collapses.

The shaking would suggest that the ground was shaking do to underground explosions.
Other skyscrapers falling down have recorded no ground movement, yet the two towers recorded that of a earth quake.
Skyscrapers that fall down send out smoke and debris which hit other buildings, but hardly register any ground movement.

Before the buildings collapsed, videos from firefighter's cameras, show tiles hanging from the walls, burn marks along the walls, and all the windows busted outwards - this was in the lobby, on the sixth floor, long before the building collapsed.
One firefighter made it to the 78th floor, where the most intense fire was, and made it back down alive.
Yet, they say that same fire on the 78th floor melted an entire steel structure, collapsing it?
Why is it that the recorded temperature where the plane hit, was 1870°F.
Yet underneath the building the recorded temperature was 4500°F, nearly three times that of the crash site.

How is it that no other steel building has ever collapsed due to fire, or anything for that matter - in fact, the twin towers were the first two steel structures to ever fully collapse.
How is it that a building which was built in 1976, caught on fire, burning over 18 floors, causing severe destruction, and continued burning for over 24 hours, and that building never collapsed, still standing today.

Yet, 4 floors burned in the first tower for 28 minutes, and fully collapsed a 1,368 ft building.
And the second tower, after 5 floors burning for 4 minutes, this 1,362 ft tower also collapsed to the ground.

Did you know that, figuratively, if the first tower was dropped from a plane, its speed of free fall would be 9.2 seconds.
And the building collapsed in 11 seconds?
That's three seconds longer then free fall rate.

How can a building which gets damaged by a plane, fully collapse in 11 seconds?

Why is it that over 100 Billion dollars is missing from underneath the twin towers?
Only 235 million dollars worth of gold was found, yet over 100 billion dollars worth of gold was recorded there.
How is it that the black boxes of the two planes were destroyed, but a passport was not?
Black boxes are made out of the most impervious metals and alloys on earth.
Yet a passport made out of paper was found - pointing to a hijacker.

[[ A black box is a container where they record all flight logs and messages. ]]

Four black boxes were on the two planes, three of which were noted as "useless information" and the forth noted as "unsalvagable."
If its so useless, why won't they release it?
Yet a passport on one of the planes, miraculously fell out of the plane, and landed on the street, unharmed.


How is it that nearly fifteen cameras recorded "something" crashing into the pentagon.
Yet, nearly 15 minutes after the crash in the pentagon, FBI confiscated tapes from a gas station, hotel, and the pentagon itself.

If the government wants to prove us wrong - they could release any of those tapes, at any time.
Yet they haven't.
Why the mystery?

How is it that the hole in the side of the pentagon is only 16 feet in diameter, and goes through 9 sets of concrete enforced steel walls, and comes out of the other side.
Yet the supposed plane is 60 feet tall, and 166 feet long, and has a 144 feet wing span.
Fitting a soccer ball in a bullet hole?

Questions left unanswered - and the government refuses to talk.


Did you also know, that a total of 0 bodies were recovered from the actual plane that crashed into the pentagon - the only bodies were that of the building itself.
A passenger plane carrying recorded 193 passengers - and no dead bodies from the plane itself.
It just doesn't add up.

According to the hole in the side of the pentagon, the plane had to of been sliding across the ground - and if not sliding, had to of been hovering nearly 10 feet off the ground.

Yet no burn marks are on the grass?
In fact - the grass itself was perfectly in tact, and looking green as ever.


Proof against what the media and government says has been found.
There is no proof that the planes took down those two towers.
There is no proof that a plane crashed into the side of the pentagon.

Yet everyone still believes it was a terrorist attack?

Did you know that the only factual evidence against Osama was the video found in a house some where in Iraq?

The most evident things of the Osama in this found video was these three things;
He had very dark skin.
He wrote a letter with his right hand.
And he also had a golden ring on his right.

Yet the actual profile of Osama is;
Light or pale like skin.
Left handed.
.. and did you know Osama would be going against his religion (Islamic) if he was wearing that ring?


I am not pointing to anything in particular, just merely pointing out facts of 9/11 that don't add up to the story the media puts out there.

Don't be afraid to go against the grain.
Don't be another part of the sheeple.
It's ok to have an opinion.

[[ All of this was found from various valid sources, and compiled by moi - William Tyler Ast.]]



For any more facts or issues you want to deal with, please watch this video first, and then you may question me on them.
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Afew sources;
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Exact sources;

Steel;
Melting point: 1370°C (2500°F).
Softtening point: 600°C (1100°F).

Now, most people would say "When it softened, it didn't have enough strength to hold up the level."
I've got news for you.
it takes more then 28 minutes to melt enough steel to collapse a 1,368 foot tall building.

Jet Fuel;
[[ Read above article. ]]
It is infeasible for that amount of jet fuel, to heat up that much steal in that quick of time.
Even if it had days and days to heat it up, it is to much steel for that little of fuel and fire to melt.

Firefighters View;
Plane hit floor 78.
Yet, before it collapsed, so much damage to the lobby, which is street level?

Empire state building;
Plane crashed into it - yep, it still stands.

Money missing;
Missing over $400 million.

Black boxes missing;
Black boxes, impervious to most things, get destroyed in the "fires".

Passport Found;
Passport made out of paper is found in all the wreckage, unharmed.

Evidence [Pentagon];
See the grass?
The plane supposedly came in at an angle, yet the grass is unharmed.

See the hole?
A plane with 144 wing span obviously compacted into a 16 foot diameter ball before it hit the building.

Information on Osama Bin Laden



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Please list and verify all of your sources.

May I point out that all of your evidence can be turned on its head and proven in the opposite direction? It is all loosely based. Much of the evidence is based on pure word of mouth and all you are doing is playing "Chinese Whispers" with every other conspiracy theorists in the world.

If you can show me some irrefutable evidence that proves to me without a doubt that this conspiracy is real,then I will accept it. And I do not accept crappy quality videos where you say "OMG. You can't tell whether it is a real passenger jet or not!" because that works both ways.

Also, how about you argue with a little more class and show some respect for the dead. You don't have to care about them but stop disrespecting their memory.
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I've said this before, and i'll say it again;
Finding out how some one died, isn't disrespecting them.

No matter who there deaths get pinned on, they are dead.
Disrespecting them would be saying that they deserved to die.
I am just merely finding out who killed them.

I'll edit with sources, as soon as i find them all.
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We know who killed them. Religious fundamentalists. Muslim, American, Venusian. I don't care. But it was not a government conspiracy and I am yet to see conclusive proof to verify anything otherwise.

Please hurry with the sources. I'd like to prove you wrong as soon as possible and get this over with.
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9/11 isn't real guys! Bush made holograms in the sky and set off very precise bombs inside the structure, just so he could start a war in irrelevant country for oil!!

/endsarcasm.
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The idea that the US used the attacks of 9/11 is ridiculous. America is just too damn arrogant.

Look at the evidence, the US said "We suspect Iraq of possessing nuclear weapons that could be mobilised in under 45 minutes. As such, we will incur into their country and investigate thoroughly".

Hans Blix goes in and fails to find any evidence of nuclear weaponry of any kind.

America even with faced with this irrefutable evidence still insisted on invading the country. So don't give me that bullshit because they don't even need a fucking reason.
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That's why America profited from 9/11.
<.<

I have found some sources, and i am still gathering the rest.
So far i am getting sources for the steel melting, the steel manufacturers, the laboratory that measured the quakes, the firefighters view of the inside, the missing money, other examples of fire-harmed buildings that didn't collapse, black boxes and passport, evidence of the pentagon, and documents on osama about his features.

Anything else you want me to get?
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a life


no kidding, I think its a conspiracy also
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Yeh actually. For your own sake, take a step back and for just five minutes, pretend you don't believe this crap. Then, pretend you are fighting for the other side (my side of the argument). Now, imagine what I have said is true. As an exercise, go and genuinely try and find some evidence to prove it.

And some psychiatric help with a dash of a life. :P Had to put it in.
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You know.. I bet Mike, Reid and the Black Sun had something to do with 9/11..

Mmmmm..
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Liam //
Jul 9 2008, 05:40 PM
That's why America profited from 9/11.
<.<

I have found some sources, and i am still gathering the rest.
So far i am getting sources for the steel melting, the steel manufacturers, the laboratory that measured the quakes, the firefighters view of the inside, the missing money, other examples of fire-harmed buildings that didn't collapse, black boxes and passport, evidence of the pentagon, and documents on osama about his features.

Anything else you want me to get?

That happens to be all the evidence you have. :)
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OMG! Reid you bastard!

How could you and the Black Sun have done it! SERIOUZLY! LIKE AMG!

And you know what, I'll bet it was you lot that stole my fucking polka-dot socks too! ... wait...
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Alrighty, sources are up.
Check them out.

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Read and considered.

Okay firstly, I will disprove two sources.

Liam
 
Money missing;
Missing over $400 million.


What does this have to do with your 9/11 conspiracy?

Secondly, here is a look at your pentagon picture with an outline:
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Now personally, I think that looks like the plane came in at an angle. It tore the roof open on impact and ill think you'll find that it would probably fit in that hole at the angle I have suggested. Also, if it had hit at the angle I suggested, then it would have touched the grass, therefore there would be no reason for it to be burnt/scorched.

Now onto another source,
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Steel;
Melting point: 1370°C (2500°F).
Softening point: 600°C (1100°F).


If the metal had indeed started to soften at 600°C, then common sense would dictate that the structural supports would collapse under the sheer weight of the floors above.

May I also point on out a very interesting point that I have just discovered, that completely disproves around 50% of your theory?

"The north tower (1 WTC) collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes."
"he south tower (2 WTC) fell at approximately 9:59 a.m., after burning for 56 minutes in a fire caused by the impact of United Airlines Flight 175"

Now then, "28 minutes" was the time you quoted for the steel to reach 600°C temperature.. I think everyone can fill in the obvious blanks.

Direct from Wikipedia: "Since the oxidation rate itself increases rapidly beyond 800 °C, it is important that smelting take place in a low-oxygen environment."
Now if there was an intense fire, then it would be burning oxygen like a whore for it to stay alight. And in such a enclosed space, i.e. within a building, the oxygen would be compacted and therefore would burn faster.

Another interesting point taken straight from Wikipedia,
"The report concluded that the fireproofing on the Twin Towers' steel infrastructures was blown off by the initial impact of the planes and that, if this had not occurred, the towers would likely have remained standing. Gene Corley, the director of the original investigation, commented that "the towers really did amazingly well. The terrorist aircraft didn’t bring the buildings down; it was the fire which followed. It was proven that you could take out two thirds of the columns in a tower and the building would still stand." The fires weakened the trusses supporting the floors, making the floors sag. The sagging floors pulled on the exterior steel columns to the point where exterior columns bowed inward. With the damage to the core columns, the buckling exterior columns could no longer support the buildings, causing them to collapse."

And my final point. Most of your information is cited from 9/11 conspiracy theorists... Surely that debunks the validity of their evidence.
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What sources were from conspiracy theorist?
Show me them - and i will find new sources to suite you.

Now, to pick apart your reply;

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What does this have to do with your 9/11 conspiracy?

Over 600m was under the wtc, yet only 250m was found.

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Secondly, here is a look at your pentagon picture with an outline:

That's what i thought initially, but reports and pictures show light poles being knocked down from the plane, the only way that would happen if it was that close to the ground. [[ google it. ]]


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"The north tower (1 WTC) collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes."
"he south tower (2 WTC) fell at approximately 9:59 a.m., after burning for 56 minutes in a fire caused by the impact of United Airlines Flight 175"

You are right - i heard that from some video, and unfortunately forgot to backup that source.

Even at that rate, there was not enough fuel to cover that much ground, and keep the fire intense - at that point it was just a normal wood and carpet fire.
Even with 102 minutes, i don't think it would soften in that amount of time, i will do some research on that though - kudos to you.

From what i see, all the plane fuel burnt up in that first huge explosion as soon as the plane crashed.
After that it was just common fire burning through the walls.


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Another interesting point taken straight from Wikipedia,
"The report concluded that the fireproofing on the Twin Towers' steel infrastructures was blown off by the initial impact of the planes and that, if this had not occurred, the towers would likely have remained standing.


Wrong.
A blast from a plane doesn't send out this shock wave that magically knocks all fireproof sealant off of it.
Though, explosions would knock off the sealant - thank you for proving another one of my points.
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