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While Most of your on, Is This valid?; Hm?
Topic Started: Jan 2 2008, 09:39 PM (142 Views)
Zen Den'hou
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I know for a fact it is valid, stated by rules and everyone does it.,


But if your in a force stun
or a force move is sent to you in any way


The rules state you can dissipate/absorb/drain any force power.


NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OR WHAT YOU KNOW, EVEN KNOW IT MAY BE WRONG, THE RULES OF .COM STATE YOU CAN DO THESE THINGS TO ANY FORCE POWERSS.

If you want to change them, then you post a poll about changing it and reid will change it.

But you DO NOT VOID YOUR OWN DEATH BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU THINK.

Ahem, this is .com swrp not .elliot swrp. we go by .com rules, not elliot Rules.


And i'm not just picking on Elliot. Alot of you think that you can just bypass the rules like your something special.



Also, if your in a force stun, or been force waved, You CAN DISSIPATE IT. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE TO *FORCE DISSIPATES IT*


What a completely idiotic way to escape death? That's all it is really now. If you witnessed a fight, and it was a pretty good epic one until the darksider died. And then he goes. "Actually your removal of my stun was void, because you said *dissipates it now*, and not *force dissipates it now*, so its void and you are Dead. NO NO NO

you know damn well your dead so why try to avoid it? If you resist a move, and dont put force resist, you know what the guy is talking about. I haven't even heard of such in a rp of someone putting that bullshit up.


So yeah. Think about this. Do you guys think this is right?

I sure as hell don't.
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joshthejosh

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For the record, most of you people yack at us about reading the rules, yet the rules state this:


In order to defend from the Force, you may dissipate, dispell, resist, absorb, or drain. All of these defensive moves count as the same, excluding special circumstances. Special circumstances are to be decided by the forums, but they will not be placed in the rules. Otherwise, all these moves defend in the same successful manner.


the main point in what im saying is EXCLUDING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES


meaning that for majority of things, yes you can do dissipate, dispell, resis so on so forth. but certain ones will not work that way,.
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Elliot
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Are you fucking retarded?

Rules:

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In order to defend from the Force, you may dissipate, dispell, resist, absorb, or drain. All of these defensive moves count as the same, excluding special circumstances.



LOL
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Zen Den'hou
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Yes, some circumstances, as absorbing a plant surge, which can't be done. Or dissipating force lightning thats already hit you. Or Absorbing someones force jump or whatever the case. I'm not talking about those issues. Im talking about when someone uses a force pull and someone dissipates it and the other sys thats void cus your suppose to be Force Dissipate. That's what I'm talking about.
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PJ
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Please, don't get too technical. I would own you so bad if everything was "technical".

*force pulls you*

*force pushes you*

*Force lightning you*

*deadly sights you*

*Force grips you*

*Force stuns you*

*Force Malacia you*

*Force Morichro you*

*Force wounds you*

*Force shield me*

*Force barrier\bubble me*

*Force armors you*

ALL OF THOSE, ACCORDING TO THE RULES, CAN BE DISSIPATED, DRAINED, RESISTED AND ABSORBED TO KEEP A FAIR AND NON-ARGUMENTATIVE ENVIRONMENT.


*Force speeds myself*

*force boons myself*

*Force jumps away*

*Force heals myself*

*Force senses you*

*Force sights you*

*Force cloaks myself*

*Force conceals myself*

THOSE POWERS CANNOT BE DISSIPATED, DRAINED, ABSORBED OR RESISTED.
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Tyler

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How can you dissipate a stun once it's already set in. I do not know the fundamentals of a stun so I am going out on a limb here..

If a stun is on you, I do believe a stun has some sort of effect on your nerves and such. So if you're going to dissipate a stun which is already set in your nerves it would fuck your nerves up alongside I assume.

Also, if you want to get technical you would need to say "force" because we don't just go "-pushes you to the wall-" we go "-FORCE pushes you to the wall-". To be honest I don't understand why it was never a rule NOT to say force for defense.

Another thing, if you want to go into rules:

Reid/Rules
 
All Force moves and items should be descendant of Wookieepedia. For items - they must be on Wookieepedia or be made out of Self-made materials. Self-made materials must also be made out of items on Wookieepedia. In other words, all items must trace all of their origins back to Wookieepedia. Wookieepedia


Find me the page on wookieepedia known as force dissipate.


As for my personal opinion, I do believe Elliot was going out on a limb to avoid death, however TECHNICALLY this limb is correct. It all comes down to loop holes in the rules really.

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dissipate_Energy

WHO CARES IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. OK wait, you do.

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Force Stun was a light side power that could temporarily deaden the senses and perceptions of a targeted enemy. It was often used when a Jedi faced a large number of opponents or if they wished to disable an enemy long enough to flee from or apprehend them. To use the power, the Jedi would use the Force to induce them into a catatonic state. Beings or creatures with a high degree of willpower could resist the effects of this power. In addition, it was ineffective against droids and other inorganic beings.

Although it was only used against a single enemy, the Jedi Master and famed Guardian Kavar, a known practitioner of this power, was able to stun multiple targets simultaneously. Advanced versions of this power were known as Force Stasis and Force Stasis Field.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Stun [Ignore the last comment on that page. Some idiot must have put it in.]

SO THERE -- YOU WANT TO BE TECHNICAL, THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN RESIST IT.
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Elliot
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Jan 3 2008, 12:36 AM
Yes, some circumstances, as absorbing a plant surge, which can't be done. Or dissipating force lightning thats already hit you. Or Absorbing someones force jump or whatever the case. I'm not talking about those issues. Im talking about when someone uses a force pull and someone dissipates it and the other sys thats void cus your suppose to be Force Dissipate. That's what I'm talking about.

By special circumstances, it actually means if a Force move is casted on you, which DOES NOT ENABLE YOU to be able to dissipate/absorb, whatever - THEN you must obide by the effect of the Force move.

Example:

-casts force immunity-
-sends it over me-

The Special circumstance, is that you can't dissipate this. You can't absorb it.
You can't "drain" it. You can't technically drain force moves anyways, but hey whatever I'm not going into that.

The special circumstance is: You have to Force Breach this Power.

Why? Because the Facts of Star Wars itself say so.

Don't believe me? I talked to Reid last night about it. Very guy who wrote the rules up. The response I got? "I assume so, yes."

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ALL OF THOSE, ACCORDING TO THE RULES, CAN BE DISSIPATED, DRAINED, RESISTED AND ABSORBED TO KEEP A FAIR AND NON-ARGUMENTATIVE ENVIRONMENT.


Incorrect.

Your mere body can not resist the power of the Force. Therefore, resistance must be done with the Force. (Force Resistance, Resist Stun, or Energy Resistance.)

Dissipate = Only able to negate/cancel out Force Powers ON casting. NOT whilst in effect. I should know - It was UK'ers who made it. You took it.

Drain = It's impossible to drain the effects of a Force Power.
Three types of Drain;

- Drain Life/Death Field.
- Drain Force (FROM THE USER, NOT THE POWER.)
- Drain Knowledge.

Absorb = You are able to absorb powers ON CASTING. But there are some exceptions. For moves like Shield and Barrier, which take A FORM of an Orb, (or anything else) around your body - then your able to absorb the Force Energy of it, and cast it back on yourself. Or simply keep the Force Energy (empowering your own.). Both of these would negate and cancel out the shield on your opponent.

Only other absorb is:
Absorb Energy - but this does not count for the Force, this means from Bacta Tanks, Batteries, Power Cells, etc.

Here's a prime situation for you:

Sith: -casts force destruction-
Sith: -impacts onto your chest-
Sith: -it explodes now-
Jedi: *Dissipates it* (Nothing to dissipate. It exploded.)
Jedi: *Absorbs it* (Nothing to Absorb. It exploded.)
Jedi: *Drains it* (Drain? Can't Drain Force Powers.)
Sith: -the impact inverts your rib cage-
Jedi: *Absorbs it* (WTF? How do you absorb an impact? It's not the Force.)
Sith: -your rib cage punctures your heart-
Sith: -your heart shuts down now-

If the Jedi had any smarts, he would of Dissipated the Destruction ON CASTING.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrr

use the Force to resist the Impact.
Saying: *Resists it*
Does that state the Force? No - your using your mere body. Sorry but the Force is alot stronger than your mere body. You would need to use the Force in order to enhance your resistance, and therefore be able to survive the impact.

Complicated? Perhaps to some.
My personal responses to that are:

1. deal with it.
2. Study, learn some shit for once.
3. It's a fact of SW. None of us have the power to change it.
4. Don't use Force moves, if you don't know shit about it.

PLEASE NOTE: this is NOT my opinion on how things should be. EVEN THOUGH I do agree with these ways, I only agree with them for one reason: They are the facts of SW. And I WILL obide by them. Why?

Because I am role playing in Star Wars afterall. I respect the ways of the Force, I specialize in the Force, and I will do things the way they're supposed to be done. Who decides on the way they're supposed to be done? The facts of SW.

As for you PJ:

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Absorb Energy or Dissipate Energy was a Force power that allowed the user to absorb harmful energy with minimum damage


Energy with minimum damage?
You see, minimum damage would be a Force power such as:
Force Shield (no damage at all.)
or
Force Push (minimum damage, effects the opponent.)

But do you really call:

Force Storm, something which surges your whole body with lightning, frying your nerves utterly, causing you immense amounts of pain, and even effecting other companions around you, MINIMUM AMOUNTS OF DAMAGE?

If you do, your fucking retarded. (LOL)
I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that, that'd be MAXIMUM damage, if anything.

:nope:

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Corran Horn, the descendant of the only family that seemed to possess this ability


Obviously, this power is not actually known by everyone and is obviously rare, if Corran was the only one in his FORCE SENSITIVE FAMILY. To be able to use it. This is not a core power. It's a rare universal power. Therefore, why does everyone use it like they know it? or have been taught it? I don't think anyone on this hotel has been taught "dissipate" by their Master.

Apart from something along the lines of:
"OKAY PADAWAN, DIS IS HOW YOU DEFEND ALL FORCE:
-DSISIPATES IT- KK? GDGD."

As for your bullshit about stun:

You could resist on casting. Once your rendered stunned, you are unable to resist. Watch KotOR more closely.

Exmaple:

*You try to Force Stun Malak*
*The Stun doesnt even take effect, he automatically resistant to it.*
Why is he automatically resistant to it? It even says: "with a high amount of willlpower." Therefore it doesnt work on him.

However, if you Force Stun an opponent, and they don't resist it on casting: they are stunned. And they will be stunned for a short period of time. There isnt actually a way to get out of it, apart from casting "Resist Stun" before a battle, or training yourself to being resistant to stun effects. I suggest doing Resist Stun before a fight, simply because everyone would claim they're resistant to stun effects, and arguments would spawn to who is, and who isnt.

Personally, if there was a rule about it, a fair rule for it IMO would be:

Knights and above = resistant to stun effects.
Below Knight? = Stun effects them automatically, they're willpower isnt strong enough to resist it.

Tyvm.


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That's dumb Elliot. (the last part about your rant. Didn't bother reading the rest.) Basing powers, on ranks, once again. Anikan was one of the best Force Users, and Lightsaber user, of his time, before he became a Jedi Knight, and, some roleplay files, have been told to go back to another rank, etc. It's just be, "OH EM GEE J00 IZ PADAWANK U CAN'T UZ DA 4CE".

But chea, once i finish reading i'll give a full response.

You also, said, a body could not resist the force, yet then you say, Malak could resist Force Stun, because of his strong will power.

If it impacts, you can still resist the strenght of it. Especially, if the person is swole (buff), or depending on the spcies (wookies, barabels, Whipids, and the list goes on) since they have a tough skin, and/or hide. Some humans, can resist it, if they're trained to, and I know some people with extreamly tough skin. >.< Especially prison inmates, because of all that shanking and what-not.

You might know everything about force (ha), but your real life knowledge is what you lack. So chea.
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Jan 3 2008, 01:08 PM
That's dumb Elliot. (the last part about your rant. Didn't bother reading the rest.) Basing powers, on ranks, once again. Anikan was one of the best Force Users, and Lightsaber user, of his time, before he became a Jedi Knight, and, some roleplay files, have been told to go back to another rank, etc. It's just be, "OH EM GEE J00 IZ PADAWANK U CAN'T UZ DA 4CE".

But chea, once i finish reading i'll give a full response.

You also, said, a body could not resist the force, yet then you say, Malak could resist Force Stun, because of his strong will power.

If it impacts, you can still resist the strenght of it. Especially, if the person is swole (buff), or depending on the spcies (wookies, barabels, Whipids, and the list goes on) since they have a tough skin, and/or hide. Some humans, can resist it, if they're trained to, and I know some people with extreamly tough skin. >.< Especially prison inmates, because of all that shanking and what-not.

You might know everything about force (ha), but your real life knowledge is what you lack. So chea.

ANAKIN* was the chosen one. Makes a big difference in his HIGHLY SPECIAL case.

Suggest you read it all.

I didnt say "thats how it should be"

I said "thats the only way i could presume it'd work without arguments"

As for Malak, his willpower was strong enough to resist the Stun, because of he was highly strong in the Force. Why? He's Dark Lord. Thats where assigning Force powers to ranks comes in.

His was able to resist stun, using the Force, without even casting it. Thats how strong in the Force he was.

Buff? Doubtful.

Species, yes in some cases.

But usually, the Force is required. This is one of the most devistating dark side powers of all, remember.



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Some humans, can resist it, if they're trained to, and I know some people with extreamly tough skin. >.< Especially prison inmates, because of all that shanking and what-not.


Now your being farfetched. This is the Force we're talking about. An energy field, which combines all living things. The Force is life itself. The devistating impact and power of a dark side power, of all powers, and you compare all of that to shanking, and prison inmates, and "tough" skin. Sorry but, sounds pretty out of it. Sounds like a lame excuse tbfh.

Tough Skin? The Impact doesnt do anything to the skin. The Impact inverts the ribs, because it is infact a very large impact. For example:

You get punched by the strongest man in the world, in the chest. Your rib cage shatters. Any harm to your skin? No. Perhaps a little scratch where his knuckles surpassed you. But no, nothing.

My real life knowledge is a lack? Thats funny coming from someone who thinks armor can go through walls, and thats funny coming from someone who says Impact would need to tear through your skin. >_>

As for "knowing everything about the Force." It's kind of what happens when you specialize in it for a long time.

Do I agree with the facts of SW Force powers?

Not in some cases. But do I deal with them, and obide them? Yes.


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Mm, but if you're just going to go, -casts it on you-
-hits your chest-

It defeats the whole purpose. From what I know (I heaven't read the article in some time), it required concentration. Yet all you do is, -casts it on you-
-hit- a'aight now you're dead. Let me look on wookiee.

...

Yep. I wuz ryt.

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That's a picture of Mara Jade. I'm guessing she had to concentrate before it exploded? It wasn't thrown, atleast not that I read. And it vaparized anything caught near it. It would effect the skin, muscles, etc. etc.

(I'll read the rest of your argument, and edit)
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Jan 3 2008, 02:06 PM
Mm, but if you're just going to go, -casts it on you-
-hits your chest-

It defeats the whole purpose. From what I know (I heaven't read the article in some time), it required concentration. Yet all you do is, -casts it on you-
-hit- a'aight now you're dead. Let me look on wookiee.

...

Yep. I wuz ryt.

Posted Image

That's a picture of Mara Jade. I'm guessing she had to concentrate before it exploded? It wasn't thrown, atleast not that I read. And it vaparized anything caught near it. It would effect the skin, muscles, etc. etc.

(I'll read the rest of your argument, and edit)

defeats the whole purpose?

1. All force powers are two lines.
2. I use around three to cast it.
3. Since the impact kills you, I extend it to five, and finish on six.

All Force Moves require concentration.
If you expect me to state concentrating, then you'd have to on every move.

-concentrates-
-force shields-
-sends over me-

not gonna happen.

Your GUESSING she had to concentrate. Well duh, all Force moves require concentration. It doesnt take a long time. Infact, it takes a mere amount of seconds, depending on how experienced you are in using the Force. Perhaps you should play the game like I have. And use it yourself. :) Then you will see that if you hit a target with it, it hits their chest, and their chest explodes. I even walked up to the corpse on the game. Blood was everywhere.

Yes, it would vaporize. But I'm not RP'ing it's vaporizing aspects. I'm Rp'ing it's Impact aspects. Thats something the opponent must deal with. And you've just proved my point that it's a very devistating force power. Not only does it cause a impact, built up of the dark side itself, but it also vaporizes anything that gets in its way. Therefore nothing is going to psychically block it. Thank you for that. :D

Oh btw, I found a video of Kyle using Destruction. Mara Jade, even though she resist its' effects using the Force, she still gets back up. The vaporizing doesnt take effect on her. Why? She used the Force to resist its effect.

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Jan 3 2008, 05:59 AM
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Please, don't get too technical. I would own you so bad if everything was "technical".

*force pulls you*

*force pushes you*

*Force lightning you*

*deadly sights you*

*Force grips you*

*Force stuns you*

*Force Malacia you*

*Force Morichro you*

*Force wounds you*

*Force shield me*

*Force barrier\bubble me*

*Force armors you*

ALL OF THOSE, ACCORDING TO THE RULES, CAN BE DISSIPATED, DRAINED, RESISTED AND ABSORBED TO KEEP A FAIR AND NON-ARGUMENTATIVE ENVIRONMENT.


*Force speeds myself*

*force boons myself*

*Force jumps away*

*Force heals myself*

*Force senses you*

*Force sights you*

*Force cloaks myself*

*Force conceals myself*

THOSE POWERS CANNOT BE DISSIPATED, DRAINED, ABSORBED OR RESISTED.

Adding on to that list, here is one that is majorly Overlooked

*force bursts you*

CAN BE drained dissipated ETC, before it hits you, if it has already hit you, then you have to force bubble it, or force push it away from you.
(basically just force bubble it, stupid wookiepedia says force burst it, force bubble it, or force push it away.)

if it has hit you meaning they go something like this:

*force bursts your head*
*it spreads down the skin*
*it rips the muscle*

you cant go:
-drains/dissipates/etcs it down*

you have to go

*force bubbles over my head/ the area of burstingness*
(cast it proper im not one hundred percent on how to do that)
*the bubble negates the effect*
etc.

just putting that out there.
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Force burst = Made up.
Burst of speed = Lower version of Force speed.
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Force burst isn't made up actually ;)
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