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| Evangelion; WTF????? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 2 2006, 11:21 AM (684 Views) | |
| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Mar 23 2006, 12:50 PM Post #16 |
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what do you mean...a big variety of places? I know chatham has very feew places unless there are some i never knew about |
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| Thantos | Apr 5 2006, 09:21 AM Post #17 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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I meant that plus the variety of anime |
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| Thantos | Apr 5 2006, 09:26 AM Post #18 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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I watched Evangelion:Death and Rebirth and man was I lost for a will.Its still kinda confusing.Im going to rent the other one I seen but maybe you can tell me what the heck was up with all the jumping around in that movie.(15years later,6years ago,5monthslater)it was hard to no were u were in the movie but I think I got most of it.I liked it.I guess I should watch the TV series to understand more> |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Apr 10 2006, 08:28 AM Post #19 |
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if u want ne hope of understanding it you have to watch the tv series...and even then u may still be confused...but once you watch the 23 or so episode series i'll explain but not before or you wont get ne of what i tell you. |
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| Thantos | Apr 10 2006, 09:05 AM Post #20 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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I read some reviews I think I get most of it. |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Apr 12 2006, 08:23 AM Post #21 |
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here i'll post somethihg and see if you understand it. The year is 2015, and Angels are attacking earth. Conventional weapons are useless because the Angels protect themselves with Absolute Terror Fields. The only defense is Evangelions, giant "robots" that can also produce AT (Absolute Terror) fields and destroy the Angels. The series starts with 14 year old Ikari Shinji going to Tokyo-3. He's been called in by his father whom he hasn't seen in years. As it turns out, he is to pilot EVA-01 and destroy the third Angel. Because he is completely untrained for this, Shinji resists, but agrees once he sees that the only other pilot is a very injured girl, who he later learns is Ayanami Rei. Stepping into the controls, Shinji gets trashed by the Angel, until the Angel finally breaks the head armor and spears the Eva through it's head. Going berserk, the Eva is in the process of literally tearing the Angel to pieces when it self destructs, leaving Shinji victorious. . . Insofar as I know, here's the back story. At the turn of the millennium, a scientific research team uncovers a giant in Antarctica. It's Adam, the first Angel. They try to do something to him, either shrink him to a chrysalis or biopsy part of him for later, which causes him to make a huge explosion. He either detonated, or set off an explosion, or SEELE blew up the outpost, or something. This sets off the Second Impact, a disaster that destroys the entire South Pole and much of the world. In the aftermath, the earth has been changed. There are no longer any seasons, and the population has decreased drastically. Around this time, NERV is created. Lilith, the second Angel, is captured and restrained in the lower levels of Central Dogma. She is slowing being regrown/regenerating. In fact, Lilith is growing so fast that they impale her with the Loginess Lance to slow her down. She is apparently the source of the mysterious Liquid of Life, the LCL (Link Connected Liquid) fluid that fills entry plugs. Ayanami Rei is created from a combination of Lilith and the DNA of Yui Ikari. SEELE wants to bring about the Third Impact, in which the souls of mankind will be joined as one to fill the voids in each other, the terrible gaps that cause mistrust, unhappiness, and hate. NERV is to maintain the Evangelions and defeat the Angels while working on the Human Instrumentality project. Gendo wants to write his own script though, one where he will be reunited with his beloved Yui. Both plans do not take into account want anyone else wants, simply what the instigators want to happen. A big question on my mind was what exactly Adam had to do with anything in the series. After all, he blew up before it even started, chronologically. Thanks to Brendan Jamieson, I now know. Adam is the embryo delivered to Ikari by Kagi. Ikari incorporates it into his hand. He needs this bond to enter into Rei for the Third Impact and to exercise control over it. When Rei rejects him (more on that further down), notice his right hand has been taken off, left inside of her. Another note on Adam is that he is the apparent goal of the Angels. They must somehow merge with him, and in doing so will destroy mankind. Although they can home in on him somewhat, it is not exact- when Kaoru breaches the Gates of Heaven, he stops, only to say, shocked, "Lilith?!" They cannot tell between the two by feeling alone, since they are both the source of life. The Liquid of Life (the LCL fluid that fills the entry plugs, standing for Link Connected Liquid) is what's left over after the Ego Borderline is crossed, and people let go of themselves. Shinji turns into it when his synchro rate goes over 400% with 01, and everybody breaks down into LCL during the Third Impact. On a plot note, from Brendan Jamieson I learned that, once and for all, Misato did not kill Kagi. From Ano himself, Kagi was killed by "a third party working either for SEELE or for NERV's Intelligence division." So that's the end of that mystery, seeing as how Misato does not work for the intelligence division of NERV. Now then, what's so special about the children? The pilots of EVA are all 14 years old. They were all born just after the Second Impact. Why is it significant about their age? Apparently, the children are the first to be born with no souls. The Halls of Harad (or Gauf?) referenced in the movies is the legendary home for souls not yet born, so when it's empty, armageddon ensues. Sounds far fetched? Well, remember, Evangelion is littered with Judeo-Christian references, specifically the Dead Sea Scrolls. The plug suits are used to remove outside influences and artifacts like clothes from the pilots while they pilot EVAs. That's why they do the tests once without any clothes, to absolutely remove every sort of outside influence that causes noise in the control system. Except that being naked causes the pilots (Shinji and Asuka- I don't think it bothered Rei) to be uncomfortable and actually lowered their synch ratios. The Angels are apparently based off of a reference made in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Respectively, they are: 1st Angel - Adam 2nd Angel - Lilith 3rd Angel - Sachiel - Angel of Water 4th Angel - Shamsel - Angel of Day 5th Angel - Ramiel - Angel of Thunder 6th Angel - Gaghiel - Angel of Fish 7th Angel - Israfel - Angel of Music 8th Angel - Sandalphon - Angel of Embryos 9th Angel - Matarael - Angel of Rain 10th Angel - Sahouiel - Angel of the Sky 11th Angel - Ireul - Angel of Fear 12th Angel - Leliel - Angel of Night 13th Angel - Bardiel - Angel of Hail and Lightning 14th Angel - Zeruel - Angel of Might 15th Angel - Arael - Angel of Birds 16th Angel - Armisael - Angel of the Womb 17th Angel - Tabris - Angel of Free Will. 18th Angel - Mankind Continuing in that vein, why do the first four EVAs (00-03) look so darn scary? The were patterned after the four barons of Hell, whom are characterized by respectively having a featureless face with only one eye, a solitary horn and nashing teeth, blood red skin with four eyes and two jaws, and one that's pitch black with unusually long arms. Also, the first three EVAs (00-02) have absorbed a human soul. It's necessary to make the EVA move, and the children can't supply one. It is also the source of the AT Field, which Kaoru calls the sacred light of the soul, a boundary across which no creature should transgress. The 00 has the older Dr. Akagi's soul, as evidenced by its rage at Gendo and Ritsuko (they're lovers now) and it's attack of Rei (Dr. Akagi the elder killed the first Rei). 01 has Yui's soul, which is evident from the way the 01 protects Shinji and from the flash back where we hear that Yui was absorbed into an Evangelion. Also, Gendo admits that there was no body recovered after her death, that her grave is merely a marker, when he and Shinji visit the grave. And the 02 somehow has a part of Asuka's mother. The 01 is superior to the other EVAs because it's directly cloned from Lilith. The others are created from a combination of human engineering and Adam. The Longinus Lance is named for a roman soldier named Longinus. In biblical times, after someone had been crucified for awhile, a soldier ran his spear through his side to make sure if he were dead. If not, the soldier then broke his legs. According to tradition, the name of the centurion at the Crucifixion who acknowledged Christ as "the son of God" (Matt. 27:54; Mark 15:39; Luke 23:47) was Longinus. This centurion is also identified as the soldier who "pierced His side with a lance" (John 19:34), probably because the name is derived from the Greek word longche, meaning a lance. Untrustworthy legend exemplified by the Golden Legend says that the blood pouring from Christ's side immediately healed him of incipient blindness. Therefore, he was converted, left the army, took instruction from the Apostles, and then became a monk (centuries before there were monasteries) at Caesarea, Cappadocia, allegedly his homeland. The story continues that he was arrested for his faith and tortured. His teeth were knocked out and tongue plucked. He is said to have destroyed idols with a nearby axe in the presence of the governor who was trying him. From the broken idols came evil spirits that possessed, maddened, and blinded the governor. Longinus told his judge that he would be healed only after his own death. So, Longinus was immediately beheaded; whereupon the governor was healed and converted. An earlier cultus of Longinus was revived and strengthened with the discovery of the Holy Lance in a church of Antioch during the First Crusade, which had transformed the morale of the Christian soldiers (Benedictines, Delaney, Encyclopedia, Farmer) (information from here). On an addendum, the production series of EVA (05-13) are designed and built by SEELE. They include the S2 (Super Solenoid) engine so they do not need a power core. The EVA 01 has also incorporated one such engine into itself when it ate Zeruel. The production series do not have pilots as such, just Dummy Plugs based on Kaoru. It should be noted that a dummy plug cannot mimic the soul, only thought patterns. Therefore the production series obviously have souls, since they move and have AT Fields, but exactly whose souls is not known. Rei is more than just a pilot, she also represents Hope (and Kaoru is Love. Both of them say this straight out in End of Evangelion). Notice that Shinji first glimpses her at the start of the first episode when he arrives in Tokyo 3, signalling the beginning of hope in Shinji's life. She also stands in front of him to protect him from the 5th Angel, Ramiel. In the Third Impact, it is sort of Rei who is used to accomplish it. At the end, the giant white Rei crumbles, not signalling the death of hope, but rather that Shinji no longer needs to live on hope alone. Also, Rei is one of the key components to the Third Impact as part of Gendo's alternative plan. He was supposed to merge/enter her, but she rejects him. She tells him that she isn't his doll because she wants to be with Shinji. Across three lives, Rei has finally matured into her own person. Rei and Asuka also somehow represent neo-Eve and neo-Lilith, just as Shinji is neo-Adam. However, which girl is which is a subject of some debate, and I myself am not really sure. I would tentatively say that Asuka is neo-Eve, since she ends up with Shinji, and that Rei is neo Lilith because she does not. I could also say that Asuka is neo-Lilith, and that in this new Genesis, Adam will be with Lilith. The original Lilith was cast from the Garden because she would not obey Adam, or was somehow defiant or willful, characteristics that Asuka certantly has in abundance. Kaoru represents Love, although that was admittedly an easy one since he loves Shinji enough to die rather than initiate the Third Impact. After watching this series a few times and spending quite a few hours researching it, I'm still not completely satisfied that I have every detail down. But unfortunately, the series is over, and I sincerely doubt that Gainax will extend it (although they will certantly milk it in merchandise and computer programs). I think one of the most disappointing aspects of today's takes that I read on other people's pages about this series is the criticism that it is blasphemous and that it is too dark. I do not feel that Evangelion is blasphemous, for the reasons that it is not written as an attack of Christianity (of which I am a proud Methodist member), nor does it suggest anything necessarily against what the Bible says, only offering an admittedly loose and visually explicit translation. The parts used by from the Bible were mainly as a vehicle for the story, not to make any particular statement. Also, the series was born from Ano's own deep and personal depression, so if it's dark, it's because it sought in part to convey what he was going through. Also, the EVA movie scene is somewhat complicated. Death and Rebirth are two movies shown together. Rebirth has had several different cuts, including the original, True, and True2. End of Evangelion consists of Air/Love is Destructive and For You, My Heart and Soul. The scene when Shinji strangles Asuka is called One More Final: I Need You. Special thanks to Andrew and Brendan Jamieson for a lot of the info! Finally, I know this is getting long winded, but I wanted to add why I enjoy this series all the few times I've seen the whole thing. What I love most is that it doesn't give in to the easy violence between giant robots. The fights are almost secondary to the plot, not much more than a means to reveal the true scope of the Evangelions, and more importantly, to define the people that operate with them. That it takes its time to do a scene right, like when Shinji lets Messiah fade before killing Kaoru. It seems very real, the way that the cast treats each other, how sometimes they do such terrible things even though they love each other. Nobody is entirely good or evil, but rather pushed by their pasts and pulled by their hopes for the future. Also, the musical score is consistently good, and in parts, brilliant. I don't think you can ever forget this story, but instead will think about it from time to time because it's so close to real life that sometimes I catch myself thinking how something in life is just like Evangelion. |
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| Thantos | Apr 12 2006, 01:56 PM Post #22 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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Thats alot of reading |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Apr 13 2006, 01:04 PM Post #23 |
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yeah thats the real deep and important meanings of everything that happens in Evangelion I told you it was crazy and thats why the sub heading of this thread is WTF???? cuz when i started i was confused as you can see why. but now im not so if i have to expalin i will. (actually read the post above b4 asking question) |
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| Guest | Apr 18 2006, 08:44 AM Post #24 |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Apr 25 2006, 01:46 PM Post #25 |
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u didnt even read it did you mike |
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| Thantos | Apr 27 2006, 08:54 AM Post #26 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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Half of it im gonna read the rest later |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | Apr 27 2006, 12:33 PM Post #27 |
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where exactly do you define half? |
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| Thantos | May 1 2006, 08:56 AM Post #28 |
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Guns of the Patriots
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Barderus read the rest for me lol |
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| Seda 'the Kamasu' Kajiru | May 2 2006, 12:25 PM Post #29 |
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well I'd imagine his reading skills wouldnt have been much better than yours. You should thank him it must have taken a long time. |
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