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| Origins of Cantonese, Hakka | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 10 2008, 03:33 PM (150 Views) | |
| ren | Nov 10 2008, 03:33 PM Post #1 |
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2009-11-07 I'm starting to doubt this recent origin of Cantonese。It seems that Toishanese doesn't even have the same system of plural pronouns as Guangfu Cantonese. In Taishan they change the sound and tone to make it plural, like it is done in the Pinghua/Tuhua or southern Hunan, northern Guangdong, and northern Guangxi. Either Cantonese didn't have a developed plural system or these are sub-stratums/older layers. Perhaps Guangfu Cantonese is just a very weird version heavily northernized by the Southern Song expansion of semi-northerners from Nanxiong. http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bda8680010009ok.html 2009-7-10
闽粤方言的不同文化特征 Cantonese It seems that they are the result mainly of a 12th Century migration from a small town in northern Guangdong called Nanxiong, being composed of just 100 clans that expanded exponentially in the Pearl River Delta in coastal southern Guangdong, expanding from Guangzhou to the rest of Guangdong and Guangxi during the Qing era 4 centuries later. The Cantonese were in Guangdong no earlier than Hakka. They just lived in different towns in northern Guangdong, with the Nanxiong folk moving to the Peral Delta plain and increasing in great numbers. Thus, Cantonese is the dialect of Nanxiong town, a dialect one out of many of Chinese colonies. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/history1.html http://en.8880328.com/sight/view/51376 2008-11-9 Testing Intelligibility Among Sinitic Dialects http://www.als.asn.au/proceedings/als2000/szeto.pdf 2008-11-10 http://www.huaxia-ng.com/web/?action-viewnews-itemid-3815
http://www.boya2004.com/ShowNews.asp?ID=1266 2009-3-11
http://wsy0720.blog.163.com/blog/static/64388563200881141810345/ 2009-4-15 Cantonese "mo" is from Gan
方音中不规则音读来源分析及滞古层次 http://www.docin.com/p-7046732.html www.eastling.org/paper/%5Czhengzhang%5Czz_belated.doc 無毋唔 http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3460&pid=4711646&mode=threaded&start= http://www.pkucn.com/redirect.php?tid=239627&goto=lastpost http://www.pkucn.com/viewthread.php?tid=233527&page=1 Hakka http://www.gf99.cn/article.asp?ID=1234 http://nanxiongbbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=21371&extra=page%3D1 Edited by ren, Nov 7 2009, 02:30 AM.
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