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| Topic Started: Oct 24 2007, 10:41 AM (213 Views) | |
| tangun | Oct 24 2007, 10:41 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.chinagene.cn/yc/qikan/manage/wenzhang/7-183.pdf What does this website say? Especially on the part where it lists people like Mongolians, norther southern Hans, Koreans, etc? |
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| Jhangora | Oct 24 2007, 12:07 PM Post #2 |
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Tangun you could try google translator. |
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| black man | Oct 24 2007, 06:07 PM Post #3 |
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Jhangora is right. You can use the google translator: http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=zh|en . Copy the text and paste it into the field for translation. Or read the English version, which is at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...06384dd0b43ba12 and http://www.febsletters.org/article/PIIS001...012403/abstract . I'll merge this thread with this one: http://z6.invisionfree.com/orient/index.php?showtopic=1008
The "Toba" sample clusters with Tungus and Mongol samples. Koreans cluster with northern Han. Southern Han are probably mixed with SE Asian natives. In essence, there is not much new the authors tell the reader. The high frequency of mtDNA haplogroup C is typical for peoples derived from Siberia, while non-Siberian East Asians have more haplogroups. Apart from this, it is only known that Mongols absorbed populations of Western origin. (By contrast, Western DNA is almost absent from Koreans and Han.) It is unknown which percentage of the Mongolian parental lineages derives from Korean and or Han ancestors. However, the Mongolian y-chromosome indicates that Sinitic and Koreanic people could have been assimilated by the Mongols or proto-Mongols. |
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| tangun | Oct 28 2007, 08:19 AM Post #4 |
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so, could the Oroqens be considered the closest descendants of Xianbei? Makes sense since their residence corresponds with that of old Xianbei's and although their language is classified as Tungus, it has large Mongolic influence. Another candidate might be the Khamnigans who speak middle Mongolian. What about the Xiongnus? Maybe the Uighurs? |
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| black man | Oct 28 2007, 09:09 PM Post #5 |
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Xianbei was sort of a military confederation. But Oroqen (as the syllable "oro" indicates) is a small, reindeer breeding ethnic group. These two are IMO thus culturally not comparable. They only have one thing in common according to the presented data: a possible genetic link to southern Siberia.
They probably have the same ancestors as the mtDNA studies imply. Additionally, there is the fact that not much is known about the ethnic composition of the region prior to Genghis Khan's military expansion. Tungus were apparently also in historical times absorbed by Turko-Mongols. These assimilation processes could naturally have started earlier since there were also earlier expansions in the past. Physiologically, southern Siberians are all similar to each other. But the historically most successful populations (e.g. Mongols and Xianbei) are probably also the most mixed ones. The more southern the population, the stronger the genetic similarity to southern populations (e.g. Yellow River populations), the more western, the more similar to western populations (e.g. Iranic peoples), the more northern, the more similar to northern populations (e.g. Tungus).
As far as I know, there has been no concrete study about the original Uighurs so far. DNA found in skeletons in a place supposedly inhabited by Xiongnu indicated more less local continuity in what is now northern Mongolia. If these were the original Xiongnu or Uighurs, then they were different from the population today called "Uighurs". |
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