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the early Turks...
Topic Started: May 11 2007, 07:09 PM (185 Views)
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A quote from a DNA-Forum member that I thought provides an interesting description of pre-Iranized Turks, interesting from a historical perspective. A hard cry from the Med Turkish who now hold the banner of Turkic nationalism. I must say that when the average Central Asian Turk (such as Uighur) picture themselves to be, they must think of the Turkified Anatolian Hellenes and think that their own Central Asian features must be due to some polluting admixture with Mongols. Ironic.
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I have no idea how the Turki originally looked, but what we call Mongoloid today was called Turki in the past. Quotes from the Turks themselves, and observers including the very observant El-Beruni:

TABAKAT I' NASIRI describing people of north-eastern India-Koch: “They all have Turki features and speak different languages, something between the language of Hind and that of Tibet.”

Memoirs of Timur: I told him "that the minds of the Turks were narrow like their eyes, that it was requisite to satiate them in order to gain their attachment, and to tie up their tongues."

Abul Ghazi, the historian Khan of Khiva, himself a Turk: "Of all the Turk tribes who inhabited those countries at that period, the Tatars were the most numerous"

Maulana Muhammad Kazi: " I had heard that Yunus Khan was a Moghul," says the Maulana, " and I concluded that he was a beardless man, with the ways and manners of any other Turk of the desert; but when I saw him, I found that he was a person of elegant deportment, with a full beard and a Tajik face."

El-Beruni has many particulars: "T[h]aru people .... flat-nosed like the Turks ... Kashmir ... the north and part of the east of the country belong to the Turks of Khoten and Tibet ... The river Sindh rises in the mountains Unang in the territory of the Turks ... Gilgit, Aswira, and Shiltˆas, and their language is the Turkish. Kashmır suffers much from their inroads ... They are of short stature and of a build like that of the Turks. They practise the religion of the Hindus, and have the custom of piercing their ears ... beardless and silver-coloured, one might be inclined to take them for Turks ... men with women’s faces, i.e. the Turks ... The Hindus had kings residing in Kabul, Turks who were said to be of Tibetan origin"





http://sunzi1.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/26/2600323.pdf
Edited by ren, Sep 20 2009, 02:26 PM.
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Certainly no surprise. I guess citizens of Turkey form the biggest block of population among the Turkic people today and they also happen to be the most well - off economically among the Turkic people. I have never been to Turkey but my perception is that a high percentage among them have Caucasian features or Caucasian/White European features are considered ideal in Turkey. That is the reason there is confusion about appearance of Turks today/in the past. There is no doubt Turks originated in Central Asia/Siberia and even the Turkish citizens accept that. Most Central Asian Turkic people have predominantly Mongolian features. According to some Turks Sakha people in Russian Siberia are the purest Turks and by no stretch of imagination can they be called Caucasian.

Russian/Soviet influence in Central Asian countries would also have resulted in Caucasian admixture no doubt. However, according to some genetic studies Russian gene pool has a considerable Mongol input.

On All Empires History Forums there were some Turk/Turkic members who accepted the diversity of phenotype dispalyed among Turkic people. Afterall a people is denoted by it's culture and language. Genotype and Phenotype is secondary.
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