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1.3) Some Altaists have proposed Korean-Altaic affinity. Others, including solidly mainstream ones like Nicholas (Nikolaj Nikolaevi^c) Poppe, have supported or at least not rejected this proposal. Poppe's assumption that such a Korean-Altaic relationship goes back to a pre-Altaic stage ought to be noted. (1.4) Some, notably Roy Andrew Miller, have argued for Japanese- Altaic affinity. If this affinity exists, it ought to be sought at an even earlier stage than the possible Korean-Altaic affinity (1.3).
as said by Reinhard (Ron) F. Hahn, http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/w...inguist&P=R2728
Alexander Vovin: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/w...linguist&P=R141
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I see no grounds in Reinhard Hahn's statement that Turkic, Mongolian, and Manchu-Tungus are rela- ted closer to each other than any of them to Korean and Japanese. Poppe is not an authority here, since his command of Korean and especially Japanese was far from being perfect. Any of the Altaicists, who has a direct acces to Proto_japanese and Proto-Korean data, will definitely disagree with Reinhard Hahn. All recent research done here suggests that Japanese and Korean are on the same level of relationship to Mongolian, Turkic and Manchu-Tungus, as those have between themselves. Also, it seems that Manchu-Tungus, Japanese and Korean may be an interdmediate node as opposed to Mongolian, and, especial- ly Turkic. The most recent state-of -art data can be found in Starostin's book on Altaic, cited before by Alexis Manaster Ramer and (a brief outline) in my article "Long-Distance Relationships, Reconstruction Methodology, and the Origins of Japanese", Diachronica XI-1, 1994, 95-114.
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I believe that Unger's approach is typical for the absolute majority of historical linguists on Japanese/Korean side of Altaic in North America: nobody doubts Japanese-Korean genetic relationship, and everybody looks with a great deal of sympathy on the the further connec- tion with Manchu-Tungus.
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/w...linguist&P=R679
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J. Marshall Unger's paper, Substratum and Adstratum in Prehistoric Japanese (241 - 258), discusses the position of Japanese with respect to Korean, which has implications also for a potential widening of the Altaic family or an even larger grouping. Unger argues for a careful and patient bottom-up approach to grouping (characteristic of his own and Samuel E. Martin's view of the relationship of Korean and Japanese) and against top-down theories (such as those of Roy Andrew Miller and Joseph H. Greenberg). Unger points out that the main problem with positing a Japanese-Korean common starting point is that the two languages have fewer cognates than would be expected for a relatively short 2,300-year separation. The author's solution is an adstratum hypothesis. He proposes that Proto-Korean-Japanese (his proto-Samhan- Wa) entered the southern Korean peninsula and Northern Kyushu around the third century B.C., perhaps from the Chinese coast between the mouth of the Yangzi and the Shandong peninsula. This population linguistically assimilated the previous populations of the two areas as they spread southward in the peninsula and the island, respectively. In the Korean peninsula the languages of the Koguryo and Puyo (who established the kingdom of Paekche), which have affinity with Tungusic, were influential both in Korea and, as newcomers, in Japan. Prestige lexical items from the language of the newcomers displaced much native vocabulary in Japan, but not in Korea, parallel to the partial displacement by French of Anglo-Saxon lexis. For this reason, many proto-Korean-Japanese words that were preserved in Korean are displaced in Japanese. The stratigraphic evidence for this scenario is found in the matching of etyma in the following way: a special set of Korean- Japanese etymologies involve an Old Japanese word with a limited distribution or semantic range lacking a cognate in Korean. These etyma match words known from vestigial evidence of the languages of Koguryo or Paekche on the one hand, or Tungusic languages on the other.
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/w...inguist&P=R2287
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