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Dec 22 2007, 09:08 PM
Well, as far as I remember, you communicated with "Agrippa" via PM at dodona. That's why I mentioned it above. Also, JCA seemed to have encountered the statement already before.

Well, surely you didn't assume I was basing my opinions on Koreans based on such fellows as von Eickstedt? I'll just take it as your need to vent on European race science vis-a-vis Koreans. Otherwise, it seems like a low blow at me. :(

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But of course, there are many ways how one can get the impression that the Korean middle face would be high (high eyebrows, narrow nose, generally big face...).

Concerning your hint (Korean Americans), I just coincidentally found a link:

http://www.femininebeauty.info/aesthetics.3.htm

See table 1, "n-sn" (nasal height: 51,8mm vs 50,6mm) and "sn-gn" (lower facial height: 66,8mm vs 64,3mm). From these data (published in 2004) one can relatively safely conclude that Korean American women are on average more high-faced than Euro-American women. (Afro-American women are more low-faced than Euro-Americans according to table 2 on that page linked to above.) Yet, other (non-Russian, non-Japanese) sources reported female nasal heights from 55 to 59mm (especially Farkas in 2005). So the latter is what I'd consider to be really high noses.

Yeah, but relatively and practically speaking, that would make Korean mid-facial region rather high/long, which gets back to the original point about whether Korean noses are lepto or broad/short on average.

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So, yes, you're right in the American context but I'm not sure as for the world-wide context. When we assume that the nasal sexual dimorphism of Korean Americans can be equated with that of Turkish (I'll take the data from Arslan et al. 2007* for the comparison), we might add about 3,5mm to the Korean American female nose in order to get the height of the Korean American male one. Then the latter would be moderately high (about 55mm) and comparable to e.g. SE Siberian (Nivkh), Indonesian (Minangkabau, Sumbanese and Timorese) and Cantonese nasal heights.

I'm not convinced regarding Cantonese nasal heights. The average Catonese from my impression appear to have shorter, broader noses, but that's another topic, and perhaps you can bring in relevant information.
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