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ren	Dec 22 2007, 05:09 PM
Yoda Posts: 2,711 Group: Custodian Member #1 Joined: January 2, 2005	JCA Dec 21 2007, 11:03 PM Are you confusing them with Manchus or something? No, I'm not confusing them with Manchus. The key word is "relatively", and maybe I forgot to say that, but relatively to sub-Saharans and southern Asians at the atleast. Quote: I don't know where people who don't know Koreans get their stereotypes of them! I've known a lot of Korean Americans and seen even more, thousands. I wouldn't call their noses "broad", relative to the world at large, and objectively on average the width might be thinner than Westerns or atleast certain regions of western Eurasia; it's just that the gutted base, nasal sill makes the nose unraised/falttened at the bottom, which might create the impression, along with the lack of defined nasal root at the top, a broadness. The less prominent nose of Koreans compared to Japanese might give the impression that it's broad. The problem is that once we develope a certain formula, we tend to ignore those that contradict the formula while remembering deeply those that confirm it. I myself have experienced this with my impressions of what northern and southern Chinese were, before I got to China, so that the entire thread on southern Chinese phenotypes I made has to be scrapped. But objectively speaking, I can't say the Korean nose is broad, nor does the number say that either I don't think. Quote: Here are some typical Koreans: http://www.atlantaphotos.com/images/images...ean_dancers.jpg http://www.timeforgod.org/files/imagemanag...mily_Korean.bmp http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/071004_p01_us.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/mloukko3/images/PR-Korean%20fans1.jpg I wouldn't say these are typical Koreans, simply because of the fact that Korean presidents are not random people; you'd had to have them in mind before in your midn of what a Korean is. And I wouldn't even call the other ones "broad"... personally. These are Korean (American?) students taken from Indiana U. Korean association website: other pictures here, http://iuksa.cafe24.com/zeroboard/zboard.php?id=pic There's tons of photos... all random Korean Americans. Washington University Korean Student Association site: http://students.washington.edu/ksa/photos.htm Stanford site: http://www.stanford.edu/group/KASA/KSA_gallery/index.html And so on... One can get an accurate, random picture of Korean Americans by just checking out these sites, and on average I wouldn't say they have broad noses (strictly talking about the width relative in the world, and not prominence). Plus, the numbers, in this sample atleast, say that Koreans actually have narrower noses than Japanese: black man Dec 22 2007, 01:13 AM People get their stereotypes from 20th century anthropological works by people like von Eickstedt and Coon. The latter collected a couple of samples in one or two regions of a continent plus a couple of rumours and wrote that altogether into their possibly still relatively popular works. AFAIK, von Eickstedt only visited southern China, from where he had a Yunnanese Han sample, which he might have used for his definition of a long-faced "Nordsinid" (northern Chinese) type since the ancestors of Yunnanese are partly from Henan. Because von Eickstedt seemed to believe in a correlation between phenoptypes and cultures, I suppose that he concluded that long-faced East Asians would be automatically "warlike" and vice versa. Now, unlike many southern Han local populations, northern Han, Koreans and Japanese happen to be famous for warrior traditions. This might have been the "reason" for which von Eickstedt associated them all with long-faced "Nordsinids". Ironically, von Eickstedt even seems to have acknowledged that e.g. Shandong Han and southern Koreans aren't long-faced on average. In fact, he also associated them with SE Asians. But in those circles which still read von Eickstedt's works there are many people with fascistoid ideological backgrounds who only remember text passages where "warrior races" are artificially constructed by authors of outdated books. That is how I'd explain the strange statements one occasionally finds in the internet. Worth mentioning is also that von Eickstedt emphasised a "Nordsinid" component in northern Koreans. Yet, Shirokogorov, who published his work before von Eickstedt, reported an average facial height of only 117mm for northern Koreans. 117mm are less than the "southern" average facial heights from von Eickstedt's own e.g. Vietnamese samples. A later study of Chinese Koreans confirmed an intermediate average facial height of 120mm, also not far from von Eickstedt's average Vietnamese facial heights. Sure, there is also the large pooled sample of North Koreans from several Japanese researchers which implies relatively high faces. But the according studies were from a time in which the measurement of facial heights by Japanese anthropologists might have depended on even more variable standards than today. Summing up some results of earlier Japanese studies, Kouichi Makiko in the end of the 20th century abstained from mentioning the values in a book because many of them were in her opinion too high. I have never read any of those guys, except Coon, and I don't recall reading anything on Koreans. My general impression is formed out of knowing and seeing thousands of Korean AMericans first-hand.
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