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black man	Dec 20 2007, 10:59 PM
Liaison Posts: 2,462 Group: supermod Member #48 Joined: July 11, 2005	from http://z6.invisionfree.com/man/index.php?s...dpost&p=3282039 ren Dec 9 2007, 06:12 AM JCA Dec 9 2007, 01:33 AM Actually, Japanese are not clearly diagnosable as "Mongoloid." Analyses of samples of Japanese often find them to be exactly opposite to Mongoloids (in the sense of East Asians) in the frequency of various traits. In regards to many presumably unadaptive traits, such as ABO blood type frequencies, Ainus are actually much closer to East Asians than Japanese are. I mean in physical/forensic anthropology... What you are refering to? besides ABO blood type frequencies... Quote: On the other hand, Koreans tend to have short noses and puggish faces, rather similar to most Southeast Asians, for some reason. Not the Koreans I've seen on average... and I've seen a lot. Numbers can verify just who is right on that. I believe black man has some numbers on Koreans. (As for more general information about nasal and morphological facial height measuring, see http://z6.invisionfree.com/man/index.php?showtopic=1663&hl= ) I collected sources on nasal height (nasion-subnasale, as far as I can judge) data from 42mm on (Semang males) to 63mm (Iranian and Assyrian males). Because female values are usually lower than male values, it's possible that the minimum nose height of at least adult Semang people is even lower than 42mm. As for maximum nasal height of adult humans, Carleton Coon allegedly reported values higher than 70mm. But I don't know how reliable that information is. In any case, values like 42mm and 63mm are already rarely reported in Western studies. So I suggest to consider nasal heights (from nasion to subnasale) of about 52/53mm to be intermediate. Only one of those Korean samples I'm aware of has on average a nasal height of 53mm. The other averaged values are all lower, two of them being below 50mm despite of the fact that these samples consisted of males only. Unfortunately, there is the possibility that some of the Korean nasal data I know about was due to outdated measurement techniques. In the last century there was in fact a measurement technique which led to lower values than one would expect today. But if the data are correct (and representative), at least several different Korean populations are definitely not high-faced on average. Moreover, Korean nasal dimensions are in this case similar to those of Malay, Vietnamese, Miao and Daic samples ("intermediate" nose heights) or even insular Austronesians, South Asians and Africans ("smaller" nose heights). Taking into account that Korean facial heights were apparently reported to be tendentially intermediate, one might conclude that the Korean chin contributes relatively much to the Korean facial height. Something similar could be said about e.g. Inuit noses and facial heights. Those East Asians with the highest noses are, to my knowledge, Sino-Tibetans (especially the "northwestern" ones, i.e., Shanxi Han, Himalayan Khampas, Himalayan "Changpas", Yunnan Han, whose ancestors were probably from Henan, and Qiang). According to the data, their nose heights are similar to those of (mostly IE and partly Semitic) West Asians (about 60mm). The noses of other Sino-Tibetan, Siberian, Kalmyk, Inuit, Sioux and eastern Indonesian samples are a few mms lower (though still high). Korean males follow with 48-53mm together with quite a lot of peoples from all around the world: SE Asian "negritos" tend to have lower noses, subsaharan Africans, Australian aborigines and Papuans broader ones and West Eurasians narrower ones.


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