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| JeffreeStar | Nov 22 2008, 02:03 AM Post #21 |
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I must say that Dorito is much more poetic than me. Meanwhile,
Considering you apparently don't smoke weed, I don't think you should be telling me how maryjane affects one's ability to do anything considering I do get high and I know personally that, generally, you're wrong.
No.
I don't want to keep addressing your quotes with incredibly short and to the point answers, but honestly all that can be said about this is "wtf" a phrase which here means, "That is bullshit."
What the fuck, I doubt these kids were high off marijuana.
I got my information from an incredibly thorough research paper I did two years ago on the subject of the legalization of medicinal marijuana that included my conducting a phone interview with a doctor at the Baylor clinic in Houston. Considering doctor's viewpoints on the legalization of medicinal marijuana differs from person to person, some people may argue against this verdict of what exactly marijuana helps, despite several surveys supporting the doctor's claims. Nevertheless, I'm sure that he did not mean that marijuana completely removes cancer and immediately cures all diseases, he means that it helps it out, if at least only a little. Whether or not he's wrong though really doesn't matter, considering marijuana is still harmless whether or not it actually slows the progression of certain diseases. And no, I did not get any of this information from "my dealer," which I guess was just something you threw out there in an attempt to belittle my ability to think because I'm a stoner.
I realize I have no room to talk, but once again, your rudeness is uncalled for. |
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| MARBLES | Nov 22 2008, 05:51 AM Post #22 |
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This test seems shittyDo you think that if the test were done differently, as in they did the marijuana test first and then the alcohol test second, would the drunken people on the alcohol test also not bring themselves in the car? What if they didn't want to drive fast because they did horribly on their previous test? That doesn't really matter though. I suppose driving laws could be passed if further tests were to determine marijuana did that to you. Users of marijuana don't bother me too much unless I'm at work and I get customers who are stoned and can't figure out what they want and end up giggling when they meant to say something meaningful. In that sense, it still needs to be used responsibly as to not bother people. Plus it makes you stink really bad. Much worse than tobacco. OH yeah it should be legal I think I said that already. Edited by MARBLES, Nov 22 2008, 05:51 AM.
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| Dorito | Nov 22 2008, 04:37 PM Post #23 |
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You can call any statistic into question in such a manner, that's why tests need to be carried out on a substantial amount of people and ratios need to be very distinct in order for them to be at all credible. I can't remember the exact statistics but they were very convincing. There probably are some individuals that passed whilst drunk but failed whilst stoned, purely out of chance, but I don't see that as an issue given as I am arguing in favour of cannabis being legal in general, not driving having smoked. I'm just trying to compare alcohol/cannabis to make clear the absurdity of permitting alcohol whilst outlawing cannabis. |
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| MARBLES | Nov 22 2008, 08:50 PM Post #24 |
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I mean I wouldn't have much of a problem with marijuana legalization. I wish I liked the college town proponants a little better, only backing the legalization because they want to smoke it. It's not exactly a problem-free drug. You can get addicted to marijuana, and it has some of the inherant problems that tobbaco also has (not quite as many though, since the additives in tobbaco are disgusting). It gives you tar, and prolonged use can scar your lungs. I see your point though, that considering alcohol and tobbaco are legalized there's little reason to not legalize marijuana. As long as people understand the risks yeah go for it. Edited by MARBLES, Nov 22 2008, 08:55 PM.
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| Brian | Dec 6 2008, 05:54 AM Post #25 |
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has anyone pro-weed used the tax argument yet? you basicly legalize marajuna, tax the shit out of it and put the money into health care, military or shit like that. its a good idea, but personally i believe that 2 wrongs dont make a right (selling tobacco and weed together). |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2008, 06:11 PM Post #26 |
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1. Cannabis. is not a gateway drug. No scientific study has ever pointed to it. Just cause something seems to make sense, doesn't mean it's correct. Everything puts your mind in an altered state. Everything. There is no reason it should be any more illegal, than say, alcohol. It takes several beers to get you drunk- because the alcohol industry waters it down. When you have people drinking shots, the difference is much less, not to mention alcohol is much more addictive and the chance that you WILL drink more is a much larger chance. Marijuana alters the way your body processes the things you perceive, alcohol alters what you perceive, and in that regard is much more dangerous. People don't get in car crashes because they smoked cannabis. It is possible to get 'high' off tobacco, either you don't understand tobacco or you don't understand 'high' Cannabis is not hallucinogenic to any extent. At all. It's psychedelic, but that doesn't imply hallucinogenic. And that isn't why it's illegal, at all. (by your definition of 'hallucinogenic' so is alcohol and sunglasses) If meth, heroin, cocaine, moonshine (lmao) were legalized, they would be government taxed and controlled. If the government isn't managing the drugs, the criminals are. REAL, non-biased drug information would become easily available, and people wouldn't have to make their drug use a secret, leading to less overdoses. No one is going to light themselves on fire while high if they aren't stupid enough to light themselves on fire while sober, same goes for drowning and throwing themselves off buildings. How would every 'dumbass stoner' (some of the most funny and intelligent people in the history of the country and world have been) kill themselves with their own stupidity if cannabis isn't harmful in any way? Smoke is harmful, but that doesn't say anything about cannabis itself. It can be eaten, vaporized, injected, or taken through anal suppository if you feel it's safer or more effective. Survival of the fittest? Gee, that's darwinism. Laws that prevent people from inflicting self harm have nothing to do with drugs. Anyone with sense will do their own research, have an open mind, and fucking think. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2008, 06:28 PM Post #27 |
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1. No there haven't lets have a link to those 'studies. (personal anecdote time: I've never consumed cannabis in any form. But I have done psilocybes and mescaline and several others) 2. Please point to statistics to prove this. but it shouldn't matter, regardless, just cause it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should, any personal judgment and being responsible about your drug usage is always required. I can take a fucking knife and stab everyone, does that mean knives shouldn't be legal? 3. Same with cannabis, what makes it any different in this regard? Other than you are less smashed, of course 4. Are you saying that after death toxicology reports can't detect cannabis? If someone dies from a cannabis overdose, THEY WILL KNOW, but there has never been one. People have died with cannabis in their systems, but very few times is it because of the cannabis and never is it a direct biological action of the cannabis. Also, people don't do that. This isn't reefer madness, you don't just start killing people. Anyone who would kill people while high would do it normally. Again, there's that responsibility thing again. 5. Please don't be so condescending when you yourself do not know what you are talking about. Nothing in cannabis causes cancer, and in fact, yes, it can help prevent it [Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728, Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.] Your statement about people toking is ridiculous because cannabis prevents cancer, so it would not do much (still some) if you already have it. Many other things prevent cancer, too, that still aren't that well known about, but as long as cannabis remains illegal there is going to be a bias against any studies showing that it prevents or doesn't cause cancer. 6. Your comparison is apples and oranges. Cannabis can be taken out of the ground and smoked, and heroin is processed and chemically extracted heavily in a long and involved process that uses poppys as a starter. But, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if something is natural or artificial. Should we legalize heroin? Yes, we should. Heroin is perceived bad because of those who use it. For those who use it, it's the ones in the slums who started out on the cheapest stuff because it's the only local drug they could afford, and their dealer got them hooked. If you have people using it who aren't these people, who were scared away by legality they would still function as a normal human being. Heroin isn't just intravenous, either. 7. you are both extremely biased, but I can't tell which one is less sensible. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 6 2008, 06:45 PM Post #28 |
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also jason lets see that rant about legalizing prostitution, even though that post was a while ago |
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| MARBLES | Dec 7 2008, 04:11 AM Post #29 |
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If we legalize marijuana there's no saying we couldn't put in driving restrictions, assuming further research shows marijuana use impairs judgement. You know, like alcohol. Alcohol is such a big part of our culture that we can't prohibit it, but we can create restrictions on driving while intoxicated, and public drunkeness. We could do the same thing with Marijuana, considering it's become such a big part of College town culture. I bet weed will be really fucking expensive when it is legalized. Make the hippies complain a little bit more. Edited by MARBLES, Dec 7 2008, 04:14 AM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 7 2008, 09:40 AM Post #30 |
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did you know - im a member of the aclu - im a godless liberal scum |
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| Deleted User | Dec 7 2008, 07:42 PM Post #31 |
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I thought you were a Libertarian? |
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| JeffreeStar | Dec 8 2008, 12:25 AM Post #32 |
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PV has really good points, a phrase which here means, "phrases things in ways that I would never be able to." Ever since i had a concussion a few weeks ago my brain has not been able to form sentences in the ways I want them to be formed. ps this concussion was due to marijuana use jk not really but yes PV says I am biased and it's true, I'm incredily biased in favor of marijuana, a phrase which here means, "I don't see any reason why it should be illegal." However I fail to see why I'm not being sensible, although that doesn't matter mainly because I support everything you say and only wish I had wrote it all instead of you, although I probably didn't because I was HIGH or something idk |
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| Deleted User | Dec 8 2008, 10:50 PM Post #33 |
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i am, and the aclu is much more libertarian than liberal. but republicans hate them because they support abortion (yes, i said fucking abortion not pro choice or pro life, stop disguising it.) and protest capital punishment. which really all lines up with libertarian views anyway. the only thing i don't really agree with them on is affirmative action, but even still in some areas of the country that's still required. |
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| Brian | Dec 9 2008, 12:45 AM Post #34 |
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libertarians also dont believe in an age of consent |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2008, 12:46 AM Post #35 |
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hmmm.... |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2008, 05:08 AM Post #36 |
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hell yeah dude check the sig http://service.adultprovide.com/docs/records.htm |
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| AcidRoot | Mar 15 2009, 07:47 AM Post #37 |
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well i think its better than alcohol atleast you dont feel like hitting people when you smoke pot |
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| Brian | Mar 15 2009, 07:51 AM Post #38 |
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i'm pretty sure you could! |
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| Lord Pickleshoe | Mar 17 2009, 01:00 AM Post #39 |
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stoners are retarded, marijuana itself is stupid, but I think it should still be legal brah. |
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| ©Ð/-\¨U | Mar 17 2009, 02:20 AM Post #40 |
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Loquacious to a Fault
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Why? |
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