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Topic Started: Nov 11 2008, 11:40 PM (1,144 Views)
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I must say that Dorito is much more poetic than me.

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When you smoke marijuana, you enter a dumb state- In the event something happens to you, your mind is incapable of actively responding to the impending threat.


Considering you apparently don't smoke weed, I don't think you should be telling me how maryjane affects one's ability to do anything considering I do get high and I know personally that, generally, you're wrong.

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There is no 'safe method' for marijuana, as no matter what, it always puts you in the same stupor that renders your body basically useless, and nobody can help you with that.


No.

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Marijuana deaths cannot be calculated because marijuana is illegal


I don't want to keep addressing your quotes with incredibly short and to the point answers, but honestly all that can be said about this is "wtf" a phrase which here means, "That is bullshit."

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There was recently a story here about two kids that were high, so they beat a cop who was parked on a corner to death with a baseball bat because they didn't want to walk past him high. Before that, some kid who was high shot a social worker in the back with a rifle because he was asking questions to his parents about him. Marijuana is plenty dangerous, and worst of all, its dangerous to the people around the doper, rather than the doper themselves.


What the fuck, I doubt these kids were high off marijuana.

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Where are you getting your information? Marijuana isn't some magic panacea.


I got my information from an incredibly thorough research paper I did two years ago on the subject of the legalization of medicinal marijuana that included my conducting a phone interview with a doctor at the Baylor clinic in Houston. Considering doctor's viewpoints on the legalization of medicinal marijuana differs from person to person, some people may argue against this verdict of what exactly marijuana helps, despite several surveys supporting the doctor's claims. Nevertheless, I'm sure that he did not mean that marijuana completely removes cancer and immediately cures all diseases, he means that it helps it out, if at least only a little. Whether or not he's wrong though really doesn't matter, considering marijuana is still harmless whether or not it actually slows the progression of certain diseases. And no, I did not get any of this information from "my dealer," which I guess was just something you threw out there in an attempt to belittle my ability to think because I'm a stoner.

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Biased? Maybe. Sensible? More so than you.


I realize I have no room to talk, but once again, your rudeness is uncalled for.
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Thirdly (now bare with me here, as your post transpires off into such a vortex of naïvity and contradictory statements that it is quite hard to follow), your example of a car wreck. Another study was taken to compare the effects that alcohol and cannabis have on the perception of safety. The study was spread across three days. On all three days the individuals would have to drive around a race-track at 60mph in a generic personal use vehicle, and then break, swerve and avoid a battalion of obstacles upon the changing of a set of traffic lights. Day 1: Sober. The majority of individuals passed easily, however naturally there are a few idiots who should never be allowed behind a wheel in any circumstance. Day 2: Having drank to the point of drunkenness. The majority of individuals felt like the bees-knees, the shit, the dogs-bollocks, however they ploughed straight over a set of dolls crushing what could have potentially been actual children. Day 3: Having smoked to the point of being stoned. The majority of individuals did one of two things. One: They outright refused to take the test for fear of being unable to control the vehicle to a safe extent. Two: They did the test, but could not bring themselves to go beyond 30 or 40 miles per hour and thus were able to avoid the obstacles with little difficulty, despite their apparent lack of sobriety.
:unsure: This test seems shitty
Do you think that if the test were done differently, as in they did the marijuana test first and then the alcohol test second, would the drunken people on the alcohol test also not bring themselves in the car? What if they didn't want to drive fast because they did horribly on their previous test?

That doesn't really matter though. I suppose driving laws could be passed if further tests were to determine marijuana did that to you. Users of marijuana don't bother me too much unless I'm at work and I get customers who are stoned and can't figure out what they want and end up giggling when they meant to say something meaningful. In that sense, it still needs to be used responsibly as to not bother people. Plus it makes you stink really bad. Much worse than tobacco.

OH yeah it should be legal I think I said that already.
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You can call any statistic into question in such a manner, that's why tests need to be carried out on a substantial amount of people and ratios need to be very distinct in order for them to be at all credible. I can't remember the exact statistics but they were very convincing. There probably are some individuals that passed whilst drunk but failed whilst stoned, purely out of chance, but I don't see that as an issue given as I am arguing in favour of cannabis being legal in general, not driving having smoked. I'm just trying to compare alcohol/cannabis to make clear the absurdity of permitting alcohol whilst outlawing cannabis.
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I mean I wouldn't have much of a problem with marijuana legalization. I wish I liked the college town proponants a little better, only backing the legalization because they want to smoke it.

It's not exactly a problem-free drug. You can get addicted to marijuana, and it has some of the inherant problems that tobbaco also has (not quite as many though, since the additives in tobbaco are disgusting). It gives you tar, and prolonged use can scar your lungs. I see your point though, that considering alcohol and tobbaco are legalized there's little reason to not legalize marijuana. As long as people understand the risks yeah go for it.
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has anyone pro-weed used the tax argument yet? you basicly legalize marajuna, tax the shit out of it and put the money into health care, military or shit like that.

its a good idea, but personally i believe that 2 wrongs dont make a right (selling tobacco and weed together).
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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marijuana is a gateway drug to harder stuff. Once weed cant get you as high as you used to get you go looking for other shit to put in your body so you can lay around drooling and wasting my oxygen. Yes, it should be illegal, because it puts your mind in an altered state with even a small amount. It takes several beers to get you drunk, and its not even possible to get high off tobacco. Marijuana is hallucinogenic to an extent, and that is why it is illegal.

I do however see where some of the people are coming from; Lets legalize everything. Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Moonshine, all of it. Prostitution legal, everything. Let the laws of man go to hell, and the laws of nature go to work. Those too stupid to stay away from these drugs on their own will overdose, have a car wreck, light themselves on fire, drown, throw themselves off buildings, etc. Let every dumbass stoner in this country kill themselves with their own stupidity. Survival of the fittest. Laws that prevent people from inflicting self-harm only hold stupid people back from their own necessary demise, because anyone with any sense at all will steer clear of it regardless of how legal or illegal it is.
1. Cannabis. is not a gateway drug. No scientific study has ever pointed to it. Just cause something seems to make sense, doesn't mean it's correct.
Everything puts your mind in an altered state. Everything. There is no reason it should be any more illegal, than say, alcohol. It takes several beers to get you drunk- because the alcohol industry waters it down. When you have people drinking shots, the difference is much less, not to mention alcohol is much more addictive and the chance that you WILL drink more is a much larger chance. Marijuana alters the way your body processes the things you perceive, alcohol alters what you perceive, and in that regard is much more dangerous. People don't get in car crashes because they smoked cannabis. It is possible to get 'high' off tobacco, either you don't understand tobacco or you don't understand 'high'
Cannabis is not hallucinogenic to any extent. At all. It's psychedelic, but that doesn't imply hallucinogenic. And that isn't why it's illegal, at all. (by your definition of 'hallucinogenic' so is alcohol and sunglasses)

If meth, heroin, cocaine, moonshine (lmao) were legalized, they would be government taxed and controlled. If the government isn't managing the drugs, the criminals are. REAL, non-biased drug information would become easily available, and people wouldn't have to make their drug use a secret, leading to less overdoses. No one is going to light themselves on fire while high if they aren't stupid enough to light themselves on fire while sober, same goes for drowning and throwing themselves off buildings. How would every 'dumbass stoner' (some of the most funny and intelligent people in the history of the country and world have been) kill themselves with their own stupidity if cannabis isn't harmful in any way? Smoke is harmful, but that doesn't say anything about cannabis itself. It can be eaten, vaporized, injected, or taken through anal suppository if you feel it's safer or more effective.
Survival of the fittest? Gee, that's darwinism.
Laws that prevent people from inflicting self harm have nothing to do with drugs.
Anyone with sense will do their own research, have an open mind, and fucking think.
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Nov 19 2008, 10:27 PM
Marijuana may or may not be a gateway drug, but there's never been any evidence that it is. But I agree, it most likely is to some degree, but only to those people who would do those hard drugs anyway with or without marijuana, and it's certainly not a gateway drug with me, I smoke weed but I don't even want to touch the harder stuff because I know it's stupid. I do ecstasy periodically but I did it before I even smoked pot so blagh.

RRRRR! Wrong. Studies have proven that almost every person who does cocaine, heroin, LSD, or other 'hard' drugs started off smoking marijuana.

It doesn't matter what amount it takes to get you high, that doesn't mean it's worse at all. Alcohol is WAY worse, if someone is drinking chances are they're planning on getting drunk anyway so they'll keep drinking until they get there. Weed just takes a less amount of time, and that doesn't matter at all whatsoever. You can also smoke all the weed you want and will never overdose ever, with alcohol it's a lot more dangerous. Also you can get a nicotine high from tobacco but it's not even comparable to any other kind of high really.

And the 'you cant get hurt by Jane' argument starts. I've seen people drive while high. Your perception is so impaired you either drive ridiculously slow, or ridiculously fast, and in the event a car comes at you, you will not have the cognitive ability to recognize the danger and take action to move out of the way. When you smoke marijuana, you enter a dumb state- In the event something happens to you, your mind is incapable of actively responding to the impending threat. Its like AIDS. While AIDS wont kill you, the things that can get to you because of the AIDS will.

If we ban things because it puts your mind in an altered state, let's first ban alcohol because being drunk is a lot more dangerous and harmful than being high. Then we can ban drugs like ibuprofen because if you take enough ibuprofen honestly it's almost like being high, I took just one the other day and whew. Except it was worse because it made driving more difficult, weed doesn't make driving more difficult. I won't lie, weed does impair a driver's ability to drive, but the way it "impairs" it is by making them drive slower and brake more often and just altogether makes them more careful. The death/crash rate from high drivers are lower than ones compared to completely sober drovers.

Nope. While its more dangerous if done carelessly, its absolutely harmless if you take the basic steps of getting a designated driver or calling a taxi. If you dont do these things, its not the alcohol's fault- theres a safe way to do it, and you chose not to. There is no 'safe method' for marijuana, as no matter what, it always puts you in the same stupor that renders your body basically useless, and nobody can help you with that.

Marijuana is not dangerous, not even a little. It'll never kill you. All of these other legal things will. Alcohol kills 150,000 a year, tobacco kills 240,000, hell even aspirin kills 1,000 a year, marijuana kills zero.

You're just on a wronging spree, aren't you? Marijuana deaths cannot be calculated because marijuana is illegal- that zero is a number pulled right out of your ass. There was recently a story here about two kids that were high, so they beat a cop who was parked on a corner to death with a baseball bat because they didn't want to walk past him high. Before that, some kid who was high shot a social worker in the back with a rifle because he was asking questions to his parents about him. Marijuana is plenty dangerous, and worst of all, its dangerous to the people around the doper, rather than the doper themselves.

Marijuana is also an extremely good medicine. If you're in pain, smoke some weed, and you'll be waaay better off than if you took some over the counter medications. It also slows/stops the progress of certain diseases and disorders, and certain cancerous tumors can't grow when THC is in your body so they just die.

Where are you getting your information? Marijuana isn't some magic panacea. All it does is stimulate appetite and reduce the sensitivity of pain receptors in the brain. It doesn't slow down or cure cancer, otherwise people would just toke rather than pay for thousands of dollars in chemotherapy. It doesn't cure diseases, and it doesn't do any of this magic shit you're talking about. Whatever your dealer told you this stuff is capable of, he lied.

Banning a completely harmless PLANT because it MIGHT lead to other things is stupid. That is not a good reason at all.

Let legalize heroin then. After all, it IS just a poppy plant...

EDIT ps oh my you are biased

Biased? Maybe. Sensible? More so than you.
1. No there haven't lets have a link to those 'studies. (personal anecdote time: I've never consumed cannabis in any form. But I have done psilocybes and mescaline and several others)

2. Please point to statistics to prove this. but it shouldn't matter, regardless, just cause it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should, any personal judgment and being responsible about your drug usage is always required. I can take a fucking knife and stab everyone, does that mean knives shouldn't be legal?

3. Same with cannabis, what makes it any different in this regard? Other than you are less smashed, of course

4. Are you saying that after death toxicology reports can't detect cannabis? If someone dies from a cannabis overdose, THEY WILL KNOW, but there has never been one. People have died with cannabis in their systems, but very few times is it because of the cannabis and never is it a direct biological action of the cannabis. Also, people don't do that. This isn't reefer madness, you don't just start killing people. Anyone who would kill people while high would do it normally. Again, there's that responsibility thing again.

5. Please don't be so condescending when you yourself do not know what you are talking about. Nothing in cannabis causes cancer, and in fact, yes, it can help prevent it [Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728, Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.] Your statement about people toking is ridiculous because cannabis prevents cancer, so it would not do much (still some) if you already have it. Many other things prevent cancer, too, that still aren't that well known about, but as long as cannabis remains illegal there is going to be a bias against any studies showing that it prevents or doesn't cause cancer.

6. Your comparison is apples and oranges. Cannabis can be taken out of the ground and smoked, and heroin is processed and chemically extracted heavily in a long and involved process that uses poppys as a starter. But, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if something is natural or artificial. Should we legalize heroin? Yes, we should. Heroin is perceived bad because of those who use it. For those who use it, it's the ones in the slums who started out on the cheapest stuff because it's the only local drug they could afford, and their dealer got them hooked. If you have people using it who aren't these people, who were scared away by legality they would still function as a normal human being. Heroin isn't just intravenous, either.

7. you are both extremely biased, but I can't tell which one is less sensible.
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also jason lets see that rant about legalizing prostitution, even though that post was a while ago
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If we legalize marijuana there's no saying we couldn't put in driving restrictions, assuming further research shows marijuana use impairs judgement. You know, like alcohol. Alcohol is such a big part of our culture that we can't prohibit it, but we can create restrictions on driving while intoxicated, and public drunkeness. We could do the same thing with Marijuana, considering it's become such a big part of College town culture.

I bet weed will be really fucking expensive when it is legalized. Make the hippies complain a little bit more.
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did you know
- im a member of the aclu
- im a godless liberal scum
I thought you were a Libertarian?
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PV has really good points, a phrase which here means, "phrases things in ways that I would never be able to." Ever since i had a concussion a few weeks ago my brain has not been able to form sentences in the ways I want them to be formed.

ps this concussion was due to marijuana use jk not really

but yes PV says I am biased and it's true, I'm incredily biased in favor of marijuana, a phrase which here means, "I don't see any reason why it should be illegal." However I fail to see why I'm not being sensible, although that doesn't matter mainly because I support everything you say and only wish I had wrote it all instead of you, although I probably didn't because I was HIGH or something idk
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did you know
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I thought you were a Libertarian?
i am, and the aclu is much more libertarian than liberal. but republicans hate them because they support abortion (yes, i said fucking abortion not pro choice or pro life, stop disguising it.) and protest capital punishment. which really all lines up with libertarian views anyway. the only thing i don't really agree with them on is affirmative action, but even still in some areas of the country that's still required.
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libertarians also dont believe in an age of consent
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
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libertarians also dont believe in an age of consent
hell yeah dude check the sig

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well i think its better than alcohol atleast you dont feel like hitting people when you smoke pot

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i'm pretty sure you could!
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
I have no idea. I would love to have the ability to make you sore
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In a week. I will try to wear you out
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stoners are retarded, marijuana itself is stupid, but I think it should still be legal brah.
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