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JeffreeStar
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I think maybe we all have the same opinion on this subject, but I might be wrong. Meanwhile however there is nothing wrong with marijuana and it being illegal is the dumbest thing on the face of the planet. What is your opinion?
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It pretty much is when other things like Tobacco and Alcohol are legal.

I don't like it though. It stinks.
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I think that marijuana could be legalized without a problem. It's probably not a drug that would be used on the go like cigarrettes are so I wouldn't be worried too much about second hand smoke. If it were legal, I'd like it only legal in private properties or approved areas. That stuff smells so bad, I think tobacco even smells better than pot.
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Nov 12 2008, 03:21 AM
I think that marijuana could be legalized without a problem. It's probably not a drug that would be used on the go like cigarrettes are so I wouldn't be worried too much about second hand smoke. If it were legal, I'd like it only legal in private properties or approved areas. That stuff smells so bad, I think tobacco even smells better than pot.
Yeah, only on private property sounds good.
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I mean pot isn't the best use of money or time but it's become so widely used that maybe it's time to legalize it. Still need to be careful about some things I mean it still can be unsafe. Heavy use might alter judgement or driving skill so YEAH some restriction would be a good idea.
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1. It stinks
2. You can get high off the fumes
3. You get hungry as shit
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

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It smells really good I think
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No it doesn't. It stinks. Shut up you stupid liberal hippy
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you know getting high is the intended effect, right Brian?
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Legalize marijuanna? Totally. While we're at it, let's legalize every other drug. And prostitution.

...No, really! No sarcasm. If you ask me, I just find it ridiculous for the government to decide what you can do with your body. Of course there's negative health effects to any of these things, but people are well ahead of that before they start- If they want to fuck things up for themselves, let them.

...Though it might be nice if they did regulate where you could do those things. Since I'd rather not, you know, get high off second-hand fumes. >>
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you know getting high is the intended effect, right Brian?
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
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Oh I forgot to ask this, Brian is that list a list of reasons why it should stay illegal? If so those reasons are horrible!

Also Marijuana will not screw up your life in any way, it will probably do the opposite. I also agree Deschain that those things should be legalized!

Except maybe meth, because that will seriously fuck you over and you'll wind up fucking over other people's lives. And you'll eat live puppies.
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marijuana is a gateway drug to harder stuff. Once weed cant get you as high as you used to get you go looking for other shit to put in your body so you can lay around drooling and wasting my oxygen. Yes, it should be illegal, because it puts your mind in an altered state with even a small amount. It takes several beers to get you drunk, and its not even possible to get high off tobacco. Marijuana is hallucinogenic to an extent, and that is why it is illegal.

I do however see where some of the people are coming from; Lets legalize everything. Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Moonshine, all of it. Prostitution legal, everything. Let the laws of man go to hell, and the laws of nature go to work. Those too stupid to stay away from these drugs on their own will overdose, have a car wreck, light themselves on fire, drown, throw themselves off buildings, etc. Let every dumbass stoner in this country kill themselves with their own stupidity. Survival of the fittest. Laws that prevent people from inflicting self-harm only hold stupid people back from their own necessary demise, because anyone with any sense at all will steer clear of it regardless of how legal or illegal it is.
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Marijuana may or may not be a gateway drug, but there's never been any evidence that it is. But I agree, it most likely is to some degree, but only to those people who would do those hard drugs anyway with or without marijuana, and it's certainly not a gateway drug with me, I smoke weed but I don't even want to touch the harder stuff because I know it's stupid. I do ecstasy periodically but I did it before I even smoked pot so blagh.

It doesn't matter what amount it takes to get you high, that doesn't mean it's worse at all. Alcohol is WAY worse, if someone is drinking chances are they're planning on getting drunk anyway so they'll keep drinking until they get there. Weed just takes a less amount of time, and that doesn't matter at all whatsoever. You can also smoke all the weed you want and will never overdose ever, with alcohol it's a lot more dangerous. Also you can get a nicotine high from tobacco but it's not even comparable to any other kind of high really.

If we ban things because it puts your mind in an altered state, let's first ban alcohol because being drunk is a lot more dangerous and harmful than being high. Then we can ban drugs like ibuprofen because if you take enough ibuprofen honestly it's almost like being high, I took just one the other day and whew. Except it was worse because it made driving more difficult, weed doesn't make driving more difficult. I won't lie, weed does impair a driver's ability to drive, but the way it "impairs" it is by making them drive slower and brake more often and just altogether makes them more careful. The death/crash rate from high drivers are lower than ones compared to completely sober drovers.

Marijuana is not dangerous, not even a little. It'll never kill you. All of these other legal things will. Alcohol kills 150,000 a year, tobacco kills 240,000, hell even aspirin kills 1,000 a year, marijuana kills zero.

Marijuana is also an extremely good medicine. If you're in pain, smoke some weed, and you'll be waaay better off than if you took some over the counter medications. It also slows/stops the progress of certain diseases and disorders, and certain cancerous tumors can't grow when THC is in your body so they just die.

Banning a completely harmless PLANT because it MIGHT lead to other things is stupid. That is not a good reason at all.

EDIT ps oh my you are biased
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Yeah, alcohol is a lot more to worry about than some plain old marijuanna. Especially since it's so culturally accepted as something normal, people are more likely to do something stupid and drink irresponsibly. But, meh, I'm getting off topic. : /
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JeffreeStar
Nov 19 2008, 10:27 PM
Marijuana may or may not be a gateway drug, but there's never been any evidence that it is. But I agree, it most likely is to some degree, but only to those people who would do those hard drugs anyway with or without marijuana, and it's certainly not a gateway drug with me, I smoke weed but I don't even want to touch the harder stuff because I know it's stupid. I do ecstasy periodically but I did it before I even smoked pot so blagh.

RRRRR! Wrong. Studies have proven that almost every person who does cocaine, heroin, LSD, or other 'hard' drugs started off smoking marijuana.

It doesn't matter what amount it takes to get you high, that doesn't mean it's worse at all. Alcohol is WAY worse, if someone is drinking chances are they're planning on getting drunk anyway so they'll keep drinking until they get there. Weed just takes a less amount of time, and that doesn't matter at all whatsoever. You can also smoke all the weed you want and will never overdose ever, with alcohol it's a lot more dangerous. Also you can get a nicotine high from tobacco but it's not even comparable to any other kind of high really.

And the 'you cant get hurt by Jane' argument starts. I've seen people drive while high. Your perception is so impaired you either drive ridiculously slow, or ridiculously fast, and in the event a car comes at you, you will not have the cognitive ability to recognize the danger and take action to move out of the way. When you smoke marijuana, you enter a dumb state- In the event something happens to you, your mind is incapable of actively responding to the impending threat. Its like AIDS. While AIDS wont kill you, the things that can get to you because of the AIDS will.

If we ban things because it puts your mind in an altered state, let's first ban alcohol because being drunk is a lot more dangerous and harmful than being high. Then we can ban drugs like ibuprofen because if you take enough ibuprofen honestly it's almost like being high, I took just one the other day and whew. Except it was worse because it made driving more difficult, weed doesn't make driving more difficult. I won't lie, weed does impair a driver's ability to drive, but the way it "impairs" it is by making them drive slower and brake more often and just altogether makes them more careful. The death/crash rate from high drivers are lower than ones compared to completely sober drovers.

Nope. While its more dangerous if done carelessly, its absolutely harmless if you take the basic steps of getting a designated driver or calling a taxi. If you dont do these things, its not the alcohol's fault- theres a safe way to do it, and you chose not to. There is no 'safe method' for marijuana, as no matter what, it always puts you in the same stupor that renders your body basically useless, and nobody can help you with that.

Marijuana is not dangerous, not even a little. It'll never kill you. All of these other legal things will. Alcohol kills 150,000 a year, tobacco kills 240,000, hell even aspirin kills 1,000 a year, marijuana kills zero.

You're just on a wronging spree, aren't you? Marijuana deaths cannot be calculated because marijuana is illegal- that zero is a number pulled right out of your ass. There was recently a story here about two kids that were high, so they beat a cop who was parked on a corner to death with a baseball bat because they didn't want to walk past him high. Before that, some kid who was high shot a social worker in the back with a rifle because he was asking questions to his parents about him. Marijuana is plenty dangerous, and worst of all, its dangerous to the people around the doper, rather than the doper themselves.

Marijuana is also an extremely good medicine. If you're in pain, smoke some weed, and you'll be waaay better off than if you took some over the counter medications. It also slows/stops the progress of certain diseases and disorders, and certain cancerous tumors can't grow when THC is in your body so they just die.

Where are you getting your information? Marijuana isn't some magic panacea. All it does is stimulate appetite and reduce the sensitivity of pain receptors in the brain. It doesn't slow down or cure cancer, otherwise people would just toke rather than pay for thousands of dollars in chemotherapy. It doesn't cure diseases, and it doesn't do any of this magic shit you're talking about. Whatever your dealer told you this stuff is capable of, he lied.

Banning a completely harmless PLANT because it MIGHT lead to other things is stupid. That is not a good reason at all.

Let legalize heroin then. After all, it IS just a poppy plant...

EDIT ps oh my you are biased

Biased? Maybe. Sensible? More so than you.
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marijuna deaths are counted. shit doesnt get counted just because its illegal. what about all those stats on drug overdose? or maybe thats only in canada.
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

yahoo.com
 
Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
I have no idea. I would love to have the ability to make you sore
Tiger:Sent: 03:35 PM 08/29/2009:
In a week. I will try to wear you out
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murder is illegal but i'm pretty sure that's counted

Heroin is not just a poppy plant IA, haven't we had this discussion before? Go snort some poppies and see what effect it has. Marijuana is a plant, you don't do shit to it after it's grown. If you burn this plant, the fumes will make you high. That's not even close to the relationship between poppies and heroin.
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Nov 18 2008, 04:41 AM
marijuana is a gateway drug to harder stuff. Once weed cant get you as high as you used to get you go looking for other shit to put in your body so you can lay around drooling and wasting my oxygen. Yes, it should be illegal, because it puts your mind in an altered state with even a small amount. It takes several beers to get you drunk, and its not even possible to get high off tobacco. Marijuana is hallucinogenic to an extent, and that is why it is illegal.

I do however see where some of the people are coming from; Lets legalize everything. Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Moonshine, all of it. Prostitution legal, everything. Let the laws of man go to hell, and the laws of nature go to work. Those too stupid to stay away from these drugs on their own will overdose, have a car wreck, light themselves on fire, drown, throw themselves off buildings, etc. Let every dumbass stoner in this country kill themselves with their own stupidity. Survival of the fittest. Laws that prevent people from inflicting self-harm only hold stupid people back from their own necessary demise, because anyone with any sense at all will steer clear of it regardless of how legal or illegal it is.
First off, whether or not marijuana is a gateway drug or not is a non-issue. Outlawing something because of indirect potentialities is absurd, as you can create a connection between any two things of you look in the right places and try hard enough. Claims that it is universally a gateway drug is nothing bigger or smaller than a scare-tactic implemented by conservative morons who have probably never even seen a bag of weed, let alone smoked one.

To humour you, let's suppose that the gateway claim is remotely legitimate. This conclusion has been drawn based on pre-existing statistics, not presupposed ones that may arise in the event that cannabis was indeed legalised. Based on this you can deduce that the illegalities and potential consequences of smoke cannabis have little-to-no impact on the user. A survey was taken recently by an impartial organisation, the results of which demonstrated that the percentage of users between the age of 16-25 (the primary user-group) who admitted to frequently using cannabis in Holland (where as we all know, cannabis is legal for the most part) was dramatically lower than in the majority of European countries, the United Kingdom and Germany included, as well as the United States and Canada. Whilst obviously this is not a case for legalisation directly, it does indeed show that continuing prosecution of cannabis users is entirely useless in terms of restricting it's use. Thus, to conclude this particular point, there is no evidence to suggest that the legalisation of cannabis would lead to an increased use of harder drugs.

Your argument regarding the potency of cannabis when compared to alcohol is complete bullshit, plain and simple. How long it takes you to get high/drunk is entirely relative to both your natural resistance, your resistance developed through habit, and the quantity + potency of the cannabis/alcohol that is smoked/drank. It does indeed take you several beers to get drunk, however it will also take you several joints to get high if you restrict your quantities. I'm not sure if you're aware, but you've just provided a very good argument for the legalisation of cannabis. If cannabis were to be legalised, legislation could be put in place to ensure quality and consistency in cannabis. As it stands at the moment, I buy my weed from a family of dealers, who get it from their supplier, who get it from their supplier, who get it from their supplier. Not only do I have no idea what additional substances have been added to make selling the drug more profitable (glass is a popular choice, did you know?) but this means that even more of my money is pumped into the black market as I'm paying for more than I'm getting.

Now, onto your second and (I respectfully state) even less informed paragraph than the first. When I initially read this topic I wasn't going to bother with a response as I've had the same debate countless times, however this paragraph struck me as one of the most naive I've ever seen. You have quite obviously clung to one too many of your governments horror stories, whilst possessing no real knowledge or experience of cannabis or it's use.

Firstly, there is a very valid argument for the legalisation of prostitution. I won't go into it now, but if you wish I will be more than glad to expand. Secondly, your reference to "the laws of man" is a completely and utterly ridiculous statement. You do realise that not so long ago that could have been perceived as a very valid argument for the continued enslavement of African-Americans?

Thirdly (now bare with me here, as your post transpires off into such a vortex of naïvity and contradictory statements that it is quite hard to follow), your example of a car wreck. Another study was taken to compare the effects that alcohol and cannabis have on the perception of safety. The study was spread across three days. On all three days the individuals would have to drive around a race-track at 60mph in a generic personal use vehicle, and then break, swerve and avoid a battalion of obstacles upon the changing of a set of traffic lights. Day 1: Sober. The majority of individuals passed easily, however naturally there are a few idiots who should never be allowed behind a wheel in any circumstance. Day 2: Having drank to the point of drunkenness. The majority of individuals felt like the bees-knees, the shit, the dogs-bollocks, however they ploughed straight over a set of dolls crushing what could have potentially been actual children. Day 3: Having smoked to the point of being stoned. The majority of individuals did one of two things. One: They outright refused to take the test for fear of being unable to control the vehicle to a safe extent. Two: They did the test, but could not bring themselves to go beyond 30 or 40 miles per hour and thus were able to avoid the obstacles with little difficulty, despite their apparent lack of sobriety.

Now, obviously this test can not speak for all individuals. Some may indeed resort to insane acts of stupidity and violence as you exampled, however would you like to compare the statistics of cannabis related violence with those of alcohol related violence? I have no statistic to back this up, but I'm sure if you take the time (by all means, take a dutch source to assure there is no bias due to the current legislation behind cannabis use in the UK/US) you will find that the quantity of cases related to violence enthused by cannabis will be dramatically lower.

Something I failed to state, but that you referred to earlier in your post, was that it is IMPOSSIBLE to overdose on cannabis. You can smoke as much cannabis as you want (believe me, I have done just this) and all you will find is that you feel incredibly ill and are FORCED to lie down. Honestly, I've smoked with a lot of people, and every single one of them agrees that in times like this your only choice is to dive for the nearest head-rest spot, and pass out. You may throw up, and you may not enjoy the experience, but you certainly will not be any worse off when you wake up. Hell, you don't even get a hang over. You may feel drowsy, but you certainly won't be throwing up, headaching and bitching all day long like the majority do after a heavy nights drinking. Plus, if you drink as much as you can (fighting through the inevitable pain) you will surely be admitted to hospital or risk death. As I said, with cannabis you will just sleep.

Finally, your last statment. Once again this is nothing short of yet another positive vote for the legalisation of cannabis. Whilst I disagree that "anyone with any sense" would steer clear of cannabis, the fact that you think so shows that there is indeed nothing to lose by legalising it as it's usage would not deviate in the slightest.

Typed a wee bit more than I meant to, but if you feel like responding I await it with open arms <3.
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