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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 3 2008, 06:45 AM (732 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Nov 3 2008, 06:45 AM Post #1 |
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What's everyones views on abortion? I say do whatever you think is the right choice. I'm not necessarily 100% for abortion but I think the person should definitely get the opportunity to do what she feels is right. |
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| MARBLES | Nov 3 2008, 06:45 PM Post #2 |
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Well it's a tricky thing because there is killing involved. What I think though, is that it's a life dependant on the mother. If indeed the embryo is a separate life form from the mother, should the mother be completely obligated to have that life form use her own body functions to keep it alive? What if the embryo was unwanted or unexpected and was a product of a rape? There was an interesting analogy I read: If you were in the hospital for some reason, and you woke up one day to see a famous musician next to you using your body as a means of support, are you obligated to keep him alive? This could be a musician that you like, or dislike. Only your body can be used as a host. If you disconnect the body you will have 100% chance of survival and the musician will die. If the musician is hooked on to you until he can resume normal life, there would be a chance you might not survive or have to stay in the hospital longer. People will be angry if you disconnect him, but isn't it ultimately up to you? Edited by MARBLES, Nov 3 2008, 06:46 PM.
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| Brian | Nov 3 2008, 10:16 PM Post #3 |
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well technically they arn't alive yet, just sperm. the thing is though, is that if someone really wants an abortion, they are gonna get it. so its either a safe abortion or the good ol' coathanger. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2008, 01:34 AM Post #4 |
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while brian is completely wrong on the 'just sperm' front, i agree. people should have to file paper work and be held accountable for their abortions, but no jail time or anything or theyll get discouraged and do it throughl harmful methods |
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| MARBLES | Nov 4 2008, 02:31 AM Post #5 |
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Haha wait do you know what the fuck abortion is? There is killing involved. The clump of cells called an embryo (or later, fetus) is indeed alive and likely will become a fully functioning human. The issue isn't accountability or anything, it's all a judgement of morals. Is it immoral e.g. wrong to have abortion legalized or should it be legal? The question of whether spermicide should be illegal because you're killing sperm though - now there's a good question. Edited by MARBLES, Nov 4 2008, 02:38 AM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2008, 03:01 AM Post #6 |
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is a fetus a human? no, a fetus is a fetus. while i can see why christians or people who believe in 'souls' would believe its killing, as it gets a soul as soon as its conceived, the US is NOT religious, it does not recognize souls as real entities, and therefore abortion should be legal. period. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2008, 03:29 AM Post #7 |
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If a fetus is a person how come they aren't counted in the census? |
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| Brian | Nov 4 2008, 09:42 PM Post #8 |
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wrong. a fetus is a fetus is a fetus |
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| MARBLES | Nov 5 2008, 06:16 PM Post #9 |
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I'm just saying that the cells you take out are alive. They are not "sperm", like you said. When conception happens the sperm and egg form a diploid. |
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| HakktHazard | Nov 5 2008, 09:14 PM Post #10 |
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Killing a fetus is wrong. That fetus will eventually be a human. If the woman who is pregnant didn't want to have a baby, she should have taken proper precautions in the first place. |
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| Brian | Nov 5 2008, 09:46 PM Post #11 |
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if a condom breaks, if she raped, what then? |
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| HakktHazard | Nov 5 2008, 09:56 PM Post #12 |
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Obviously rape can't be her fault. But condoms are not guaranteed to work every time, and that should have been considered. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 5 2008, 10:45 PM Post #13 |
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alright, cool, s'rite if i rape your girlfriend and force her into my surrogate mother? killing a fetus isn't wrong. the fact that a fetus will eventually be a human means nothing, its not a human what if... 1. you get raped? 2. you cant support it? 3. it would kill you? 4. there is no viable means of adoption? 5. you will face judgement from your peers, parents, coworkers, and friends? 6. it was a mistake? 7. your condom breaks 8. your birth control fucks up 9. your surgical contraceptives fuck up 10. you got lied to about a guy having his tubes tied? 11. you dont have proper education? what if youre just a goddamn kid, being stupid, like all kids? you cant tell people to just stop having sex, dumbass. let me guess, killing a fetus is evil but the death penalty is a ok? why are we even having this discussion, shouldnt you be at church? |
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| Deleted User | Nov 5 2008, 10:54 PM Post #14 |
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Saying a fetus is a human is like saying flour and eggs in a bowl is a chocolate cake. |
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| HakktHazard | Nov 5 2008, 11:11 PM Post #15 |
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flour and eggs in a bowl will be chocolate cake. 1. If you get raped, obviously its not your fault. From there it becomes a moral issue 2. Shouldn't have done it in the first place. 3. If the baby will kill you but the baby will survive, it becomes a choice, who do you want to live. If the baby will die anyway, I can see that. 4. Shouldn't have done it in the first place. 5. Shouldn't have done it in the first place. 6. Shouldn't have made that mistake. 7. Condoms aren't completely reliable. 8. Birth Control isn't completely reliable. 9. Not sure. 10. That guy's fault, moral issue. 11. Every citizen of the US is entitled to proper education. Elsewhere, I'm not sure. I'm not a politician Kids aren't naturally stupid. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 5 2008, 11:31 PM Post #16 |
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It will be it, but it isn't. |
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| Brian | Nov 6 2008, 12:46 AM Post #17 |
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hey PEEVES shut up its nice to have a conflicting interest on a forum once in a while instead of neo-liberal ron paul supporters. it makes for great discussion. |
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| HakktHazard | Nov 6 2008, 01:33 AM Post #18 |
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Which is pretty much why I'm here. I usually avoid debates but we need this kind of thing right now. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 6 2008, 01:59 AM Post #19 |
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The only abortion I'm against is partial-birth abortion. Unless there's some really serious medical problem or whatever, there's really no reason to kill the infant (fetus when it is in the stomach). Just inhumane. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 6 2008, 02:26 AM Post #20 |
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neo liberal and ron paul in the same sentance, lol. (ron paul is a batshit old man anyway) hakkthazard: stupid analogy, nice start. it doesn't matter if you shouldnt have done it in the first place, its your body, you have sentient, self aware life while the fetus does NOT. (even newborns are self aware) sex is pleasurable and people want to have it expecting to not get pregnant, its their call. this shouldnt be a moral issue, it should be a legal one, and there is nothing that defines a fetus as a human by law, not by species/taxonomy etc. kids kids may not be naturally stupid, but they are naturally drawn to sex, no matter what that evil group of meanies 'the liberal media' project onto their IMPRESSIONABLE YOUNG MINDS thats bullshit. im sorry if you grew up in an upper middle class white suburban area, but education in the US is lacking far behind nearly every other first world country. ive seen this shit first hand. |
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