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Topic Started: Nov 3 2008, 06:45 AM (732 Views)
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What's everyones views on abortion? I say do whatever you think is the right choice. I'm not necessarily 100% for abortion but I think the person should definitely get the opportunity to do what she feels is right.
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Well it's a tricky thing because there is killing involved. What I think though, is that it's a life dependant on the mother. If indeed the embryo is a separate life form from the mother, should the mother be completely obligated to have that life form use her own body functions to keep it alive? What if the embryo was unwanted or unexpected and was a product of a rape?

There was an interesting analogy I read: If you were in the hospital for some reason, and you woke up one day to see a famous musician next to you using your body as a means of support, are you obligated to keep him alive? This could be a musician that you like, or dislike. Only your body can be used as a host. If you disconnect the body you will have 100% chance of survival and the musician will die. If the musician is hooked on to you until he can resume normal life, there would be a chance you might not survive or have to stay in the hospital longer. People will be angry if you disconnect him, but isn't it ultimately up to you?
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well technically they arn't alive yet, just sperm. the thing is though, is that if someone really wants an abortion, they are gonna get it. so its either a safe abortion or the good ol' coathanger.
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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while brian is completely wrong on the 'just sperm' front, i agree.
people should have to file paper work and be held accountable for their abortions, but no jail time or anything or theyll get discouraged and do it throughl harmful methods
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Nov 3 2008, 10:16 PM
well technically they arn't alive yet, just sperm. the thing is though, is that if someone really wants an abortion, they are gonna get it. so its either a safe abortion or the good ol' coathanger.
Haha wait do you know what the fuck abortion is?

There is killing involved. The clump of cells called an embryo (or later, fetus) is indeed alive and likely will become a fully functioning human. The issue isn't accountability or anything, it's all a judgement of morals. Is it immoral e.g. wrong to have abortion legalized or should it be legal?

The question of whether spermicide should be illegal because you're killing sperm though - now there's a good question.
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is a fetus a human? no, a fetus is a fetus.
while i can see why christians or people who believe in 'souls' would believe its killing, as it gets a soul as soon as its conceived, the US is NOT religious, it does not recognize souls as real entities, and therefore abortion should be legal. period.
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If a fetus is a person how come they aren't counted in the census?
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Nov 3 2008, 10:16 PM
well technically they arn't alive yet, just sperm. the thing is though, is that if someone really wants an abortion, they are gonna get it. so its either a safe abortion or the good ol' coathanger.
There is killing involved.
wrong. a fetus is a fetus is a fetus
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

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Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
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In a week. I will try to wear you out
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I'm just saying that the cells you take out are alive. They are not "sperm", like you said. When conception happens the sperm and egg form a diploid.
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Killing a fetus is wrong. That fetus will eventually be a human. If the woman who is pregnant didn't want to have a baby, she should have taken proper precautions in the first place.
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if a condom breaks, if she raped, what then?
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

yahoo.com
 
Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
I have no idea. I would love to have the ability to make you sore
Tiger:Sent: 03:35 PM 08/29/2009:
In a week. I will try to wear you out
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Obviously rape can't be her fault. But condoms are not guaranteed to work every time, and that should have been considered.
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Nov 5 2008, 09:14 PM
Killing a fetus is wrong. That fetus will eventually be a human. If the woman who is pregnant didn't want to have a baby, she should have taken proper precautions in the first place.
alright, cool, s'rite if i rape your girlfriend and force her into my surrogate mother?

killing a fetus isn't wrong. the fact that a fetus will eventually be a human means nothing, its not a human

what if...
1. you get raped?
2. you cant support it?
3. it would kill you?
4. there is no viable means of adoption?
5. you will face judgement from your peers, parents, coworkers, and friends?
6. it was a mistake?
7. your condom breaks
8. your birth control fucks up
9. your surgical contraceptives fuck up
10. you got lied to about a guy having his tubes tied?
11. you dont have proper education?
what if youre just a goddamn kid, being stupid, like all kids?

you cant tell people to just stop having sex, dumbass.
let me guess, killing a fetus is evil but the death penalty is a ok? why are we even having this discussion, shouldnt you be at church?
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Saying a fetus is a human is like saying flour and eggs in a bowl is a chocolate cake.
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flour and eggs in a bowl will be chocolate cake.

1. If you get raped, obviously its not your fault. From there it becomes a moral issue
2. Shouldn't have done it in the first place.
3. If the baby will kill you but the baby will survive, it becomes a choice, who do you want to live. If the baby will die anyway, I can see that.
4. Shouldn't have done it in the first place.
5. Shouldn't have done it in the first place.
6. Shouldn't have made that mistake.
7. Condoms aren't completely reliable.
8. Birth Control isn't completely reliable.
9. Not sure.
10. That guy's fault, moral issue.
11. Every citizen of the US is entitled to proper education. Elsewhere, I'm not sure. I'm not a politician
Kids aren't naturally stupid.
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It will be it, but it isn't.
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hey PEEVES shut up its nice to have a conflicting interest on a forum once in a while instead of neo-liberal ron paul supporters. it makes for great discussion.
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After the video, with the female often further enraged or upset, the male will walk onto the set; he will usually be booed loudly by the audience. The male will typically react in a "you-don't-know-me" mannerism, showing confidence that he is not the father. A picture of the baby juxtaposed with a picture of the male will appear on a video screen, to which the female will usually say how she thinks they look similar, and the male will say how they do not look alike at all. One common occurrence is that each person will claim that he or she is beyond 100% (often 200% or 1,000%) sure that the man is/is not the father, with figures sometimes reaching as high as 1,000,000% (the highest this has it gone is "infinity-plus 1 percent", in the show aired on November 20, 2007 when a participant named Natasha (surname unknown) claimed to be "infinity-plus 1" percent sure that a man was the father of her child (The DNA test then proceeded to prove her wrong) [3]).

yahoo.com
 
Madoff is now serving a 150-year federal prison sentence. He spends his nights in the lower bunk of a cell he shares with a drug offender, eats pizza cooked by a child molester

THAT BASTARD

Tiger:Sent: 03:32 PM 08/29/2009:
I have no idea. I would love to have the ability to make you sore
Tiger:Sent: 03:35 PM 08/29/2009:
In a week. I will try to wear you out
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Which is pretty much why I'm here. I usually avoid debates but we need this kind of thing right now.
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The only abortion I'm against is partial-birth abortion. Unless there's some really serious medical problem or whatever, there's really no reason to kill the infant (fetus when it is in the stomach). Just inhumane.
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Brian
Nov 6 2008, 12:46 AM
hey PEEVES shut up its nice to have a conflicting interest on a forum once in a while instead of neo-liberal ron paul supporters. it makes for great discussion.
neo liberal and ron paul in the same sentance, lol. (ron paul is a batshit old man anyway)

hakkthazard:
stupid analogy, nice start.
it doesn't matter if you shouldnt have done it in the first place, its your body, you have sentient, self aware life while the fetus does NOT.
(even newborns are self aware)
sex is pleasurable and people want to have it expecting to not get pregnant, its their call. this shouldnt be a moral issue, it should be a legal one, and there is nothing that defines a fetus as a human by law, not by species/taxonomy etc.
kids

kids may not be naturally stupid, but they are naturally drawn to sex, no matter what that evil group of meanies 'the liberal media' project onto their IMPRESSIONABLE YOUNG MINDS
thats bullshit. im sorry if you grew up in an upper middle class white suburban area, but education in the US is lacking far behind nearly every other first world country. ive seen this shit first hand.
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