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| Topic Started: Apr 3 2008, 01:45 AM (203 Views) | |
| Fullmetal | Apr 3 2008, 01:45 AM Post #1 |
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So, what do you guys think are the best and worst parts of Brawl's balance? I particularly like the overall buff they gave Bowser. Adding speed to his attacks and changing his side+B move were pretty good moves IMO. He was barely playable in Melee, where for the most part speed was more important than strength. DK was indirectly buffed with the whole "stuck in the ground enemies can now be sent flying" thing, and that's pretty much a good thing. His final smash sucks though, so I guess it evens it out. For the worst part, I'd say Jigglypuff still being there. He's clearly a joke character and should've been removed before any of the clones from melee. He's light, not very fast, can't deal much damage and has a crap final smash. Why the hell is he there in the first place? He might've been in a few episodes of the anime, and maybe it did much more sense to put him in when the first SSB came out, but they removed Mewtwo and kept this piece of trash? Wtf? Also, Sonic. Is he fast? Oh, why yes he is. Can he deal decent damage? No. Sonic's speed does not compensate for his total lack of damage. The only reason he's playable is his final smash, which is clearly overpowered. Now try removing the items, or at least the smash ball. Oh snap, he's just a running target who hits 5% when it touches you. Characters should not completely rely on their final smash to be good, period. And Metaknight needs a REAL smash attack, one that is non-sword-spam and can send his opponents flying instead of having to wait for them to be at 250% or his final smash. |
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| Mr. Storm | Apr 3 2008, 01:53 AM Post #2 |
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I like Metaknight and Sonic... T_T But yeah, I agree with what you say, except for Sonic. One thing I noticed is they changed Marth's Shield Breaker (B) move so it's a stab instead of a sweep, which lowers its effectiveness. I wasn't happy, since Marth was my main in Melee. Zelda's Din's Fire (side B) also has a power increase. That's a welcome power enhancement; it makes Zelda one of the better players in the game. On a somewhat unrelated note, I noticed if you play a 4 player free-for-all with CPU's, they'll pursue the player more than anyone else. And that bugs me... Anyway, the game is more smoothed out overall I'd say. No more combos that can go from 0%-Death every time. |
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| burnedalive | Apr 3 2008, 03:13 AM Post #3 |
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They overpowered the fox/falco/wolf final smash and I've notice there is a little bit lower power on link. Oh yeah, they lowered the sudden death too. All negatives ;) |
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| Millumi | Apr 3 2008, 07:43 AM Post #4 |
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I dont like how they replaced Mario's down B with F.L.U.D.D., his old down B was better, what sucks even more is that they replaced his down A with his old down B, now he cant attack enemies below him while in the air another thing I hate is how Sonic doesnt get back the ability to use up B and B when he uses ladders or springs after using up B |
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| NoriakiZ | Apr 4 2008, 06:32 PM Post #5 |
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I think that it is however you people USE Sonic or Jiggs. I'm awesome with Sonic, and win most of my matches if I play as him. Jigglypuff has some cool moves, and also can use Sing. Plus their final smashes aren't bad. Just never play Jigglypuff in a HUGE stage. On an added note, the "No-Invisible" thing is horrible. I liked that item. And the Mewtwo Tier thing was almost right. Mewtwo was weak, but only if you don't have that much experience with him. But he was pretty good. I mean, the Shadow Ball was great! So was Teleport. But Lucario took his spot, and I use him as much as Mewtwo. The Mario's B-Down move is a great push back. If someone trys to come back, use that! That's my opinion. Just wanted you to know. |
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| Fullmetal | Apr 4 2008, 09:24 PM Post #6 |
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I disagree with almost everything you've said. >_< Yes, Sonic is used, though nobody ever picks Jigglypuff seriously. When he's there, he's been randomed or picked as a joke. Jigglypuff's final smash sucks compared to about anyone else's, except maybe DK's who is a good character in the end. Sonic's final smash is definitely one of the best out there (if not THE best) but Jigglypuff's won't do anything most of the time.
Statistically Mewtwo was worse than most other characters, which is why he was in the lowest tier. The big problem with Mewtwo is that his smash attacks were utterly suck. Shadow Ball was inaccurate, knocked you back too much and was easy to dodge. Teleport probably was his best move, but for a no-damage recovery move, that's not saying much. Experience playing Mewtwo will pay off much less than learning to use say Marth or Falco. Guess they removed the invisibility item because people ended up killing themselves too much, or because it was imbalanced for people who knew how to use it well (you took no damage while invisible).
Fludd is utterly useless. They basically changed Mario Tornado just because they wanted to set him apart from Luigi more, but ended up putting it back instead of Mario's Down+A. Fludd is way, way too situational and ends up being useless. If someone gets K.O'd because they got hit by Fludd, chances are that they would've died anyway. The worst thing about it is that it has to be charged. |
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| burnedalive | Apr 4 2008, 09:38 PM Post #7 |
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Link/toon links is the best  you do so much damage with their final smash |
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| Fullmetal | Apr 4 2008, 09:42 PM Post #8 |
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On one enemy only. Sonic's usually mean +1 death for everyone on the battlefield. |
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| Naoko | Apr 5 2008, 11:54 AM Post #9 |
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I lol at the crappy Smashes like Peach's and Ness/Lucas'. Peach's puts them to sleep, which is awesome, but... Jigglypuff can do that normally. I mean, really. They're asleep, and then you leave items out for them to get after they wake up if you don't get all the items. And if you do get all the items, then you don't have time to do anything to them while they sleep. As for Lucas and Ness... They can't really control the shooting star thingies, can they? It's like, "lol, I stand here and avoid them kthxbai." I guess it's not horrible, but it's one of the crappier smashes out there. As for all the ones that can fly around the stage, like Diddy and Pikachu... Well, Pikachu can go through the stage if he gets underneath it, but Diddy can't. So dumb people die a lot after the smash (like my sister). I do think Diddy is kind of awesome, though.
... Two words: Nintendo Guy. Also Japanese girls. They love Jigglypuff in Japan and that's why they have him, same reason why they made that stupid Tingle game. In the end, I guess if someone is really good at playing a character, even Jigglypuff, they can own. Maybe not if the other person is equally as awesome at their own character, but still. You can learn to own the game with any character. But with Jigglypuff? Tha's unlikely. |
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| Fullmetal | Apr 5 2008, 02:22 PM Post #10 |
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As far as I know, NG only uses Peach. |
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| Naoko | Apr 5 2008, 02:59 PM Post #11 |
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I don't know who he uses, but I could easily see him playing Jigglypuff. Even if Peach is his main, Jiggly is the 'cutest,' and thus he would play her when not playing Peach. Yes. |
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| NoriakiZ | Apr 5 2008, 07:52 PM Post #12 |
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Exactly what I say, 'cept for the "But with Jigglypuff" part. I'm good with Jigglypuff. And as for the Mario Down-B, it can be tilted and can push back anyone. Just learn how to use it. What they should have done is make it so that it can damage people, but what are you going to do? |
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| Fullmetal | Apr 5 2008, 09:52 PM Post #13 |
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The fact is, Jigglypuff is underpowered. A skilled Jigglypuff player plays against a bad Ike player. Chances are, Jigglypuff will win. Picking a good character doesn't change anything to your lack of experience. A skilled Jigglypuff player plays against an equally skilled Ike player. Chances are, Ike will win. Jigglypuff is the worst character in the game. Being skilled doesn't change that. Mario's fludd sucks, and he lost his air Down-A move for it. It can push back people. Big deal. Watch Isaac or Kyogre do the same. Wait, those are actually useful moves, so they can't really be compared. Fludd just doesn't push back enough to be useful. It's useless while on land, useless in the air. It has one use, which meteor smashing renders completely useless. |
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| Naoko | Apr 6 2008, 01:09 AM Post #14 |
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That's why I said "maybe not if the other person is equally awesome" blah blah. I agree. =/ |
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| NoriakiZ | Apr 6 2008, 11:47 AM Post #15 |
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Ok then... Just my opinion. Anyways, I think Ivysaur's B attack is pretty much useless unless you're trying to get the Smash Ball. I mean, what they should have done is let you control the seeds when you are shooting Bullet Seed so you can have a bigger hit ratio. |
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