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The Lost "3 Men" Eene Pilot?; Did such a cartoon exist?
Topic Started: Oct 2 2016, 09:37 PM (642 Views)
Radiant Lloyd Firefly

Before I get into the details of this post...I should probably introduce myself first!

So hi everyone, I'm Lloyd and I'm a huge Cartoon enthusiast. Back in the day, Ed Edd N' Eddy was one of my favorite cartoons to watch on CN, and to this day I'm glad to see the series is still so relevant and praised.

But I'm also really impressed with these close-knit groups and forums that popped up in the early 2000s all completely dedicated to one show. I wasn't old enough to go online back when cartoon fan sites were more relevant, but it's something I wish I could have experienced. Despite this, it's pretty dang cool seeing them still in action and talking in one right now.

Anyway, the reason for me even finding this site was somewhat of a coincidence, but not without purpose.

I'm from the Lost Media Wiki (not the garbage .wikia site anymore- it's off-site version) with a somewhat interesting/possibly juvenile question I'd like the fans of Ed Edd and Eddy to enlighten me on.

So today someone from LMW made a new thread talking about a "lost/rumored" precursor pilot episode to EEnE called "3 Men" (or something to that effect). Apparently it had the same feel as EEnE, but the plot was different, as it dealt with the titular characters who were in their 20s, etc. Danny Antonucci allegedly pitched this show to Comedy Central, but they turned it down I guess.

OP also claims that around Big Picture Show's release is when tons of consistent claims came forward from various fansites and forums.....taking this information and running with it, I searched probably every old archived EEnE fansite today looking for any claims or mention of this episode. Unfortunately, almost all of the sites are barren and sparse of any information.

Then I found this site. Still fully accessible, still active, and I found ONE mention of it by Very man, where he ambiguously said, it was a "masquerade", so I presume it's been mentioned or known about previously, at least to some extent.

Rambling aside, does anyone know anything about this claim? If it's real or fake? Where it came from? Anything at all?

I've pretty much spent the last 8 hours doing all this research because I'm just THAT curious about it, and I had never heard anything about it before. Apologies in advance if this is like a juvenile "how could you fall for that" question, but my curiosity has gotten the best of me, and I figure an old fansite full of EEnE fans might be able to point me in the right direction.

Thanks much.

-Lloyd
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Waffles
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Welcome to the forum!

I've heard of 3 Men once or twice before, but I'm afraid I don't know much about it other than that it supposedly existed. Sorry I can't be of more help. :(
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Jones Butter-Toast
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I've been here for as long as I can remember and I've never heard of this.

I've heard Bedhead Bernie or Pan-Pizza, some Internet reviewer talk about a commercial Antonucci made for Kids Foot Locker with characters that vaguely resemble the Eds but I assume that's not what you're looking for?
https://youtu.be/bBtcqxpypS8?list=PLlaScuy7...AhFWWILsj&t=183

Sorry if we couldn't offer more information, but if it helps you get to your desired destination, I think I have some ideas.
Maybe you can try contacting the AKA Cartoon staff, they're somewhat present on social media.

https://www.facebook.com/akacartooninc/ (if you have a Facebook page you can always try private messaging)

https://www.facebook.com/danny.antonucci (or if you want to ask directly, you can always try his page, but I don't know if that's the morally correct thing to do, IMO)

yak@akacartoon.com (e-mail address)

Or you can try Kevin Lordi, we here at E2E call him AnimatEd but from what I've seen from his Tumblr, he has an extensive knowledge of the show it boggles my mind. I think that's your best option, but I'm not 100% certain.
Here's some social media links.

https://twitter.com/kevinlsaccount

lynyrdsquidward.tumblr.com/

animated.deviantart.com/

If you have an account on either of those, that will help.

Again, I hope this helps you get one step closer to solving the mystery about this piece of lost media and welcome to the forums! Make yourself at home. :)

Also, here's the LMW thread if anyone's curious.
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Reginald Konga
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I'm not that active on here, but welcome to the forum nonetheless.

Everything seems to point towards the film having never existed. Danny himself said someone dared him to make a kids' show (or to be more accurate, a show suitable for children) in a bonus feature of one of the two full-season DVD releases. I believe it was Season 1 actually. He went on to say he was working on a commercial when he came up with the idea for the Eds. He sent a one-page fax to Cartoon Network, and they fell in love with the three Ed boys. They didn't mention this on the DVD, most likely due to either legal disputes or the rivalry between Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, but Danny also went to Nick, as both networks wanted creative control. Cartoon Network then gave Mr. Antonucci creative control, and the first season was made. I don't even think Ed, Edd n Eddy even has a pilot considering the way Danny described Cartoon Network's enthusiasm for getting the show on the air. The part about Nick was either cut out or Danny just didn't think he was allowed to mention Nick and therefore left out that part of the story. Based on the way he's acted in interviews, I think he if they asked him to stretch the truth about CN liking the one-page fax, he would've said, no, I'm not sugar-coating this stuff.

Furthermore, doing animation wasn't exactly cheap to produce back then since this was before flash truly took over, not that Danny actually likes digital animation from what I've seen and heard. It would've been expensive for A.K.A. to produce a film and then never release it to anyone. Plus, I cannot imagine Danny giving into censorship any more than he had to. If there was any kind of film like you've described, it is likely just some ideas Danny had or at the most a storyboard. It probably didn't make it to an animatic (animated storyboard with notes and no color) and it was definitely not completed without Comedy Central's ordering it. I'm not sure of this next part, but I can't help but wonder why Mr. Antonucci would go to Comedy Central first since The Brothers Grunt and some of his other animations were on MTV. As for a reference for when EEnE started being put into prodcution, I've heard reports that the 1999 Season One of Ed, Edd n Eddy was made from 1997 to 1998. This makes a lot of sense given the development cycle of a show as well as the undeniable truth that most cartoons at this time (that had a full season) took 6 months to a year (usually nine months) to produce.

Also, I really doubt that these rumors would be true if they only started around the time Ed, Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show aired. If it was true, surely someone who started the rumors would've said something during the show's prime rather than when it was ending. Why didn't they say something between 1999 and 2007? Maybe they were afraid of being in trouble for leaking something like that, but then again, I'm not sure they'd get in trouble for simply talking about it.

I highly doubt this film exists. Sorry about that. I hope this answers your question.
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Radiant Lloyd Firefly

Ah, I see. Well I certainly appreciate the insight you guys and I actually did manage to contact AnimatED and he said just about the same thing; it's more than likely fake and pretty much all lost EEnE episode claims are fake.

The thing with me when I hear of a lost episode, etc., is sorta like "innocent until proven guilty". I take any claim as being legitimate and existing, until I can prove in one way or another that it doesn't.

In this case, while learning much more about EEnE and finding cool fansites was definitely worth the ride, I can't help but feel like I did overkill it a bit because had I known more about Danny or AKA I could have probably come to the same conclusion that a pilot wouldn't have fit into the timeline.

It's actually quite interesting how this 3 Men thing is so similar to fake Angry Beavers and KaBLam! episode claims that I've debunked as fake. They all seem to stem from total misinformation or completely inaccurate memory.

Like the Angry Beavers case for example- this was a long standing rumor that a second pilot to the show existed, and had been rarely seen worldwide. Long story short, it all derived from a fan fiction of all things back in the early 2000s. Someone must have read that back in the day, not remembered it was a fan fiction 10 years later, and then posted about a "rare" episode that they had never seen.

In any case, I'm glad to put this rumor to rest, but it was a pretty cool experience overall.
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Jones Butter-Toast
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What a guy. :D
I think the fact that you went as far as to go to old defunct EEnE websites and forums, going deep into the history of the fandom itself to figure out whether these claims were legitimate or not, and learned a lot of interesting tidbits here and there is probably the better prize you could have gotten. Even if it turned out to be fake, but still, you went to great lengths to solve a mystery and that's good enough.

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Also, I think we can all be glad this fanfic was possibly the result of a fan sad that the show ended, and not something some anonymous user wrote on the Creepypasta Wiki.

Glad we could have helped in some way.
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Radiant Lloyd Firefly,Oct 4 2016
03:51 PM
Ah, I see. Well I certainly appreciate the insight you guys and I actually did manage to contact AnimatED and he said just about the same thing; it's more than likely fake and pretty much all lost EEnE episode claims are fake.

The thing with me when I hear of a lost episode, etc., is sorta like "innocent until proven guilty". I take any claim as being legitimate and existing, until I can prove in one way or another that it doesn't.

In this case, while learning much more about EEnE and finding cool fansites was definitely worth the ride, I can't help but feel like I did overkill it a bit because had I known more about Danny or AKA I could have probably come to the same conclusion that a pilot wouldn't have fit into the timeline.

It's actually quite interesting how this 3 Men thing is so similar to fake Angry Beavers and KaBLam! episode claims that I've debunked as fake. They all seem to stem from total misinformation or completely inaccurate memory.

Like the Angry Beavers case for example- this was a long standing rumor that a second pilot to the show existed, and had been rarely seen worldwide. Long story short, it all derived from a fan fiction of all things back in the early 2000s. Someone must have read that back in the day, not remembered it was a fan fiction 10 years later, and then posted about a "rare" episode that they had never seen.

In any case, I'm glad to put this rumor to rest, but it was a pretty cool experience overall.

This is getting freaky because I swear I saw a re-run of an Angry Beavers episode where Norb and Dag were on the lamb at the beginning of the episode. This was long before I started using the Internet for anything besides Cartoon Network's website. One of the beavers complained about walking home in a bag of pork rinds. Was that part of the alleged lost episode "Cuffed Together" because I swear I've seen it on T.V. somehow.
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Radiant Lloyd Firefly

Oh.....my..............

Yes, that lost episode/pilot was allegedly called "Cuffed Together"!

Actually, while KaBLam! Episode 29 ended up being officially debunked by the creator Mark Marek......I only recently decided to call the Cuffed Together case closed myself after I looked back at my information because it sounded incredibly similar to the rumor of the 3 Men pilot.

This was my theory regarding Cuffed Together from a few months ago on LMW:

"-The official episode "The Posei-dam Adventure" airs on TV in 2001.

-A user from the Toonzone forums sees the episode and creatively makes it more dramatic via fan fiction, and calls it "Cuffed Together" 4 months later.

-Many years later (possibly late 2000s), Snowbound is rumored to exist as a pilot to the show, but people only vaguely remember the plot since this was lost and unconfirmed to exist until 2013.

-The above, in turn, sparks people to falsely remember the Cuffed Together fan-fiction combined with the plot of Posei-Dam Adventure as a lost epiosde, and you get people writing into episode guide sites with claims that there's another lost/rare/unseen pilot out there."

But that's just the last in-depth look gave it. I'm super interested you brought it up though. I've personally never heard of those details in Cuffed Together; my knowledge had something more to do with Daggett chewing on an expensive statue...but running away from the cops sounds right. Episode confusing is a very frequent occurrence in these kinds of things though.

However, there was one final lead that I never looked into (because I wasn't able too).

I had heard reports that during Nickelodeon's "The Splat" trivia night, they flashed a trivia box during an episode of the Angry Beavers that claimed Snowbound and Cuffed Together were the two show pilots.

I don't have The Splat, and while I had someone check for me, they claimed Beavers didn't even air that night....so I have no idea what to think about it.

If anyone happened to have The Splat airing from April 12th 2016 recorded, or if you Reginald Konga have any more insight about it I'd totally be interested in hearing about it.
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Well, I believe it was sometime after 2001, making the fan fiction a big coincidence. I think it was the summer after either 2nd grade or 3rd grade, or possibly a Winter Break. This was a time where I watched a load of episodes from Rocko's Modern Life and Angry Beavers, albeit this was probably before I started getting treatment for my ADHD. I have my doubts it played before that movie, but I can confirm I saw it on Nicktoons Network. The technicians who ran Nicktoons Network at the time must have been given all of the episodes and then played the alleged "Cuffed Together" by accident. I do know for 100% certainty that the episode was a similar art style if not the exact same art style. I'm also pretty sure they had the voice-over actors from the rest of the series present. How do I know? Well, around the same time I saw the original Invader Zim pilot on DVD, and found it weird how Billy West sounded pretty different from Richard Horvitz, but at the time, I thought "Cuffed Together" was just a regular episode.

There was one other thing I remember, but it was probably an episode that aired normally. I remember one episode having a climax in which a mayor was erecting a statue of Stump, and the beavers were running on either a log or the statue turned on its side. The mayor wound up landing on the log/statue and running alongside them, albeit he was facing the other way. It was a really cool climax, but that might've been another episode.

I will say this: I am 100.000000000% (with all those significant digits) certain I saw an episode of Angry Beavers where they were on the lamb and one of the beavers complained of having to wear a bag of Pork Rinds. I remember it too vividly for it to not exist.
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Radiant Lloyd Firefly

That's a pretty interesting recollection. I'll admit I'm not very familiar with Angry Beavers episodes, so I can't really source your recollections to a specific episode that it might be instead of Cuffed Together, but I know during my initial research I was finding overlaps with the rumor and official episodes.

Also, the animation of Cuffed Together theoretically would have looked more identical to that of Snowbound, the other pilot, and not so much like the animation of the final show.

I actually reread the fan fiction again tonight, and I'm just totally convinced Cuffed Together stems directly from the fan fiction as literally all of the details that have been spread derive from it:http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/my-...gether.2785331/

This same user also had screenshots from Snowbound before it was lost for 10 years. This means if Cuffed actually existed, they probably would have had screenshots of that too, or at least, not named a fan fiction after an official episode.

I don't think there's an extensive Angry Beavers community like there is for EEnE, so I really don't know how to prove or disprove Cuffed Together for sure. But I gotta go with my gut and say it probably doesn't exist, even though you remembered otherwise.
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