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| Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore | |
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| AnimatEd | May 28 2010, 05:31 PM Post #81 |
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I think that was the episode that got me interested in figuring out where exactly the candy store was. XD But your first screenshot isn't working for some reason. =O I think the artists were just being lazy and trying to block the transition from location to another by putting a bunch of trees in front of the camera, and then not even having Eddy end up on a familiar street. The between location was probably just some normal trees or more of whatever those fenced in tree-areas would be called. And although the location Eddy ends up in is just a very generic fence-and-trees location, if we wanna try and make this canon, then this COULD be the woods behind Edd's house, which would be consistent with the candy store's location in BPS. |
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| Kirkland22 | May 28 2010, 05:42 PM Post #82 |
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That's strange. I can't see my first screenshot either, but I did see it when I first submitted the post. Strange, I wonder what happened? :shrug Let me try to add it again: Posted Image Does it work for you? And yes, I understand what you're saying. I agree that the trees might be there just to fill up that space. Of course, this could still mean that there's some forest in between the residential and commercial districts, even if you might think this image is non-canon. It's hard to know what to believe with that section of trees. |
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| AnimatEd | May 28 2010, 08:01 PM Post #83 |
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Okay, now the screenshot works. :) AND OH MY LORD, I'VE NEVER NOTICED BEFORE! THAT'S NOT THE CANDY STORE IN THE BACKGROUND! That's Danny's Meat Shop and AKA Shoes! You can tell by how Danny's Meat Shop has a triangular roof like a house! So the second creek back there is actually behind Danny's side of the street, interesting... 'Run Ed Run' kinda keeps up with this by having more nature behind that side of the street, although 'Will Work For Ed' appears to be suggesting that there's a short row of extra stores/houses behind it as well. Perhaps those could fit into continuity by just being the houses and stores that run down the street to the cul-de-sac? As I recall, the way Kevin and Eddy were positioned, Eddy probably SHOULD've been kicked in the other direction, but heeey, if it means we get to see more of the street that the 'Run Ed Run' bus took to get to the jawbreaker factory, then that's fine by me. : D Oh, and this whole business with the trees blocking the camera so the animators don't have to figure out where things are reminds me of another trick like that in season 3: 'Dim Lit Ed' begins with Edd in a field. After dealing with Jimmy and Jonny, Edd walks to Ed's house. Instead of showing us where this field was in relation to Ed's house, or even just the cul-de-sac in general, they simply have Edd suddenly walking on a street-with-houses background, with an overlay of trees and bushes sliding off screen in front of him. That overlay of trees and bushes is all the transition we get. XD |
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| Kirkland22 | May 29 2010, 06:52 PM Post #84 |
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Interesting that you notice that just now. :D I kind of figured it was the Candy store, but now that you point out the triangular residential-like roof from Danny's Meat Shop, I guess it isn't the Candy Store. Very interesting. Although, this could be just a minor non-canon thing. Yeah, that Dim-Lit Ed thing you mentioned was noticeable for sure. I am most intrigued by the little things like that, even though they're not that big of a deal. XD In that screenshot, there is a creek behind Danny's Meat Shop that you hinted at in your post, and I am even more intrigued by that. So, is this the only time we see that creek/stream, or has it been seen before? And if so, where does it lead? Your thoughts, if you don't mind. |
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| AnimatEd | May 30 2010, 04:55 AM Post #85 |
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That creek sticks in my mind whenever I think of the little world the candy store is set in, so I feel like it's appeared more than once, but I think that probably is its only appearance... However, it IS the first evidence in the show of "creeks all over Peach Creek" instead of the original implication that there was only the creek behind the cul-de-sac. Other indications of auxilary creeks can be found in Boo Haw Haw (the creek with a bridge on it next to Rolf's mushroom location), 'Run Ed Run' (many waterways are visible from overhead, although I think this is a different town or at least a different part of Peach Creek since the cul-de-sacs don't match up with the usual neighborhood), and the ponds and lakes (swimming hole, frog pond, two ponds next to the school in BPS) that pop up from time to time could also possibly be related to this theory. There's also probably a few more random creek-shaped lines like those ones that I'm forgetting. I think Edd's map in 'O-Ed Eleven' shows a second creek somewhere. I'm not sure exactly how this works, but in an old discussion about this, I believe Kit, the founder of E2E, said that waterways can be carried underground, after someone pointed out that the creek apparently ends at a pipe in the construction site. So my idea is that Peach Creek's developers have been diverting the creek underground for the sake of putting in more houses and stuff, but still channel it to go aboveground throughout the town. In some cases, this would be to attract customers with the town's nature and beauty (placing a creek between the two Peach Creek Estates and the trailer park seems like no accident [I also believe the playground is meant to entice potential buyers]), while other creeks may be intentionally hidden (the one behind Danny's Meat Shop seems like people aren't meant to go into those woods). |
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| Kirkland22 | May 30 2010, 06:20 PM Post #86 |
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So you do believe that there are multiple creeks in Peach Creek, right? I could understand how some people might think there is just one that stretches all over Peach Creek, but you think it is more likely that there are several? Also, what is the larger body of water all these creeks go into? A lake? River? Ocean? Do we even know? |
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| AnimatEd | May 30 2010, 07:28 PM Post #87 |
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Well, my theory kind of IS like it's one creek, just that it has a lot of underground channels so that it only pops up in certain places, making it appear that there are several creeks. Some of these probably ARE different from the main creek, though (Boo Haw Haw's creek feels too far away and the waterways in 'Run Ed Run' may be too out of the way or separated because it may be a different town). A problem I feel in my theory is that it seems too complex for every waterway to be connected underground, especially since it felt like PC and Lemon Brook were in competition so I don't know if PC would be willing to let its creek go into Lemon Brook. It does make sense for the creek to run into the stream/swamp/ocean in BPS, since I think all 3 of those connect at some point, though. Overall, water confuses me, though, because I want it all to be connected, but then I don't think lakes would exist. XD There was an idea I loved in MisEdventures that the creek ran to the factory, which was its ending point because the factory would trap the water behind its buildings for the sake of water power (and I think you could also position the Eds so that you could see an ocean beyond the factory). This was consistent with the original map's concept of the creek ending at the factory. But this was before it was official that the factory was closed down, in another town, far from the ocean, and was a Gag Factory with no need for hydro power. XP Also, the original map was recolored for a 'Scam of the Century' wallpaper, and the coloring for the creek stops in the field and the creek-lines going to the factory are now roughed up, so it seems like the background artists decided they'd rather just have the creek go underground in two places now instead of ending it at the factory. In retrospect, I should've expected this when the factory was behind the Eds for most of 'Once Bitten Twice Ed' and the creek was nowhere to be found, though. Now that I think of it, I think I was more interested in the factory years ago because I thought it was full of people who were, like, plotting all this development in Peach Creek, which could potentially pose a threat to the Eds' scams somewhere down the line because they'd have the power to change all the locations that the Eds like to build their scams in. It's kinda sad how different it is in the movie from my former ideas, but it at least gives signs of once being populated AND it allows us to go to Lemon Brook and makes all sorts of other developments about the series' locations (as well as being consistent with most of its appearances in the show). I guess I'm just glad they touched on it at all. :) |
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| Kirkland22 | May 31 2010, 03:02 AM Post #88 |
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Haha, well, I don't think Peach Creek would be able to stop the creek from going into Lemon Brook, it's not something that they can control. Unless they built some kind of a dam blocking the two sides…
Yeah, I remember playing the Mis-Edventures back when I had my old computer, and I do remember what you're talking about. It does indeed seem interesting.
Yeah, I can understand how the movie spoilt several ideas and theories you might have had from before it aired. XD Like you said, though, it was good to see them touch on it all. :) So, in the show, there are about three factories seen/mentioned in total, right? The jawbreaker factory, the factory behind the junkyard, and the Lemon Brook Gag Factory, were there any more that I missed? |
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| AnimatEd | May 31 2010, 05:06 AM Post #89 |
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If they do indeed have the technology to redirect the creek underground to different places throughout the town, they could probably manage to trap it within the town.. But yeah, at some point I feel like they'd just have to give up and let the water do what it wants. XD
These spoilt feelings are exactly why they didn't want to try revealing Bro's name or Edd's hat, so I guess I just got a taste of the horrors those revelations would unleash. XD
The factory behind the junkyard turned out to be the Lemon Brook Gag Factory, though, so there's only two. Unless you want to count a more vague appearance of that factory, like in 'Dawn of the Eds', as a different factory. 'Dawn of the Eds' also had a building beyond the factory, which I theorize to be where the people working at the construction site are from, since it had a wrecking ball/crane on site. Not exactly a factory, but it's a similarly surprising sign of development. |
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| Kirkland22 | May 31 2010, 11:31 AM Post #90 |
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Yeah, and if Peach Creek was anything like the real world, this would cost a lot of money and wouldn't do a lot of good.
Hehe, to be honest, I was scared that they might actually show what was underneath Edd's hat or disclosing Eddy's Brother's name or even hinting at in greater detail where Rolf was from. I'm glad they didn't, because to be honest, I like it when these things remain a mystery. :)
Oh really? I thought that the one near the junkyard was a different factory. I mean, the Lemon Brook Gag Factory wasn't that close to the cul-de-sac, it was past that desert, sunflower field, and the cow pasture, which places it a long distance from the cul-de-sac. Oh well, maybe you're right about there only being two factories, though the EEnE Wiki states that there are three. Guess I should stop putting my trust in that Wiki, even though it does mostly have correct information. XD |
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| AnimatEd | May 31 2010, 06:02 PM Post #91 |
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But I've already explained several times how this works and shown you my map of the BPS. XP Unless you think there's a different factory behind the junkyard than the one I always refer to as being behind the cul-de-sac. The EEnE wiki is generally a terrible source... I can't go to it because my head will blow up from rage at the stupid things they think are worth taking note of (Goof: Plank shouldn't be able to drive a bus because he's just a piece of wood [THAT'S NOT A GOOF, THAT'S A GAG! HOW CAN THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT!?]). Mostly it's frustrating because I could write a better EEnE encyclopedia on my own. XP Sometimes it's helpful for finding images of obscure things in the show, but I don't enjoy reading the things they write most of the time, because too many EEnE fans don't understand why the kids liked the Eds at the end of the movie or that Eddy's line about lying about his brother was only referring to the stuff about his brother loving him, his stories about his brother's traits couldn't possibly be made up because we can see visual evidence of them everywhere (like all the brickwork he's done in his room). Anyway, here's everything I've said about why the LBGF is the factory and where the desert is and stuff:
(If it's not clear, the reason I need to explain why I placed most of the movie's locations north of the cul-de-sac is because the Eds and Rolf are shown going south of the cul-de-sac to go to the desert, but everyone else is shown heading north, which is where they eventually end up finding the Eds, so the Eds and Rolf must've turned around and went north at some point)
And then there's the fact that you and I just had a whole conversation about how the Gag Factory was the factory behind the cul-de-sac in these past few posts, so I'm not sure how you didn't get that impression from what I've been saying. XD |
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| Kirkland22 | May 31 2010, 06:58 PM Post #92 |
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Whoops, you're right, sorry, you did already talk about that. This thread is starting to be difficult for me to stay on top of. :huh:
Yes, there are a lot of things like that at the EEnE Wiki, but ever sense I've been editing there, and especially when I became an Administrator there, I've been working on cleaning it up and removing useless trivia and so forth. It's becoming a better place, but there's still a lot of work I need to do but the occasional vandal that we Admins have to deal with alongside are certainly no help, and it slows us down. Anyway, sorry if I annoyed you by asking the same question when it had already been talked about. I reread everything you quoted from previous posts in this thread, and I understand completely. Hopefully Driveus comes back to the thread, I'm running out of things to ask and talk about. We did talk a bit about the old abandoned house, right? If we did, let me go back and read the posts about it, because I think I do remember talking about it a little. Edit: Yes, I found this quote from one of your posts on the first page:
Maybe you can expand on this, if you want? |
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| AnimatEd | May 31 2010, 08:10 PM Post #93 |
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Well, that's good to know!
Well, there are number of reasons it can't be on Rethink Ave: there's an official order of houses and none are abandoned (nighttime episodes like 'Boom Boom Out Goes The Ed' show lights on inside the anonymous houses), we've never seen it after its original episode (which would be impossible if it were on the cul-de-sac, because then it'd always be there), all of the houses seen in 'Honor Thy Ed' are colored differently than the ones in the cul-de-sac, and the point I made in that post that the House of the Haunted was shown to be placed on its cul-de-sac in the same position Eddy's house is placed. Now, of course that's only season 2 and they didn't really start paying attention to background details until the later parts of season 3, so it's plausible that these could just be the kind of miscolored houses that were ALWAYS in the show back then. But my final point makes it impossible to be Rethink Ave., because at least once in the episode (I believe this is visible when the Eds start pushing through the dandilions), you can see that the circle of a cul-de-sac starts at the house next to the house of the haunted, in the same way that the Rethink circle begins at the anonymous house next to Eddy's house. Since you can't erase the main character's house for the sake of a story and I love this episode too much to make it completely non-canon, I find it makes more sense to say that there's another cul-de-sac near by, which seems to be supported by 'Run Ed Run's aerial shot (at least in the sense that other cul-de-sac exist in the general vicinity besides the 2 PCE cul-de-sacs) and makes it easier to canonize the many houses in seasons 1 and 2 that appear to be on cul-de-sacs but would mess with the official order of Rethink Ave's houses. |
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| Kirkland22 | May 31 2010, 09:04 PM Post #94 |
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Yeah, it is, but I understand you could make an EEnE Wiki 50 times better than anyone else on E2E and T3E could. XD
Yeah, I knew it couldn't be on Rethink Ave, especially since it is only seen in Honor Thy Ed, when Rethink Ave is seen in almost every episode. But it does seem strange because it did appear that Eddy's house was right next to the old abandoned house in that episode. And the next point of yours, quoted below, definitely proves that it can't be on Rethink Ave:
And then the haunted house is also seen in the Mis-Edventures, but of course that's just a game and not made by AKA Cartoon. I can't remember, but I think the placement of the house in the aforementioned game was somewhere in the woods?? You probably know, so check me if I'm wrong. XD |
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| AnimatEd | Jun 1 2010, 12:12 AM Post #95 |
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Well, the house they were in front of wasn't colored like Eddy's house, and as my other point suggests, it isn't located where Eddy's house SHOULD be located, so I think they were just hanging out on a different cul-de-sac in front of a stranger's house. If the Eds, Sarah, and Kevin don't have a problem creeping around in the backyard of the house next to Kevin's house, then I suppose it's not too crazy for them to set up shop on someone's front lawn.
I think they moved it to an ending point in the lane somewhere behind Ed's house, in the HUB. And in the cutscenes for that level it seemed to be on a nondescript street across from a vacant lot. I wish they'd've made a full version of the HUB. I wanna just run around the entire Peach Creek map, all the blockades they put in your way in that map upset me. XP |
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| Kirkland22 | Jun 1 2010, 01:04 AM Post #96 |
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The only thing I find against the theory of the haunted house being in a different cul-de-sac is, why would all of the kids be there if they are not seen there in any other episodes? I mean, it would be different if the kids hung out there often, but if it is a separate cul-de-sac and all of the kids are there (going to another street is something that they don't normally do), it makes me think that it has to be the Rethink Ave cul-de-sac. I don't know, though, because it does sound like the most possible theory.
That's right, that's right, haven't played that game in a while. Of course, I don't think we should focus on that game much, since it wasn't made by AKA Cartoon. |
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| AnimatEd | Jun 1 2010, 01:34 AM Post #97 |
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That's why I made it the street across from the cul-de-sac in my BPS map, because if it's much further away, then it makes no sense for them to be there, like you said. I also use it as the cul-de-sac for other random houses, though, like the houses that have dogs in 'Read All About Ed' and 'Cry Ed' and as an explanation for why the kids go into other streets' lanes so often (whatever draws them to this nearby cul-de-sac also draws them to its surrounding lanes). Eddy is seen flying over multiple streets from his house to get to where the kids are in 'Cry Ed', so that lane and dog are definitely on another street. So the kids kinda DO hang out there often, at least in the lanes and moreso in older episodes, but you kinda have to draw your own conclusions that instead of a bunch of different vague areas, all these random locations are actually part of one nearby cul-de-sac. If it were Rethink, then the entire haunted house episode would have to be non-canon, and I just don't want that to happen. XP Additional theory for why the Eds would be on a different cul-de-sac in that ep: much like the theory for why the Eds' BPS scam wasn't in Rethink's lane, the Eds could've possibly been trying to attract new customers, in hopes of fooling some strangers instead of luring in the same kids everyday who know their routine already. Until Jimmy arrives, the Eds are the only characters on that street, and I think it may have been explained that Jimmy was trying to get something when he passed the house of the haunted (so he and the other kids could've started off on Rethink until he lost a ball or something).
To be fair, AKA did have a lot of input on the game, as I recall interviews saying at the time. And if you can't tell, the cutscenes were storyboarded by EEnE storyboarders, so there is an ounce of canon to it, but overall, no, I would not consider the games canon (especially not during the 3D gameplay). |
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| Kirkland22 | Jun 1 2010, 02:19 AM Post #98 |
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That's true, there have been some cases where the kids venture into other parts of the Peach Creek area, but I didn't think at first the haunted house would be in one of these other places in Peach Creek. But yeah, the older episodes seem to have more involvement in other parts of the area, if I've noticed right.
Me neither. XD
I like this theory too, actually. And the kids also made it seem to me as if they had been by the haunted house possibly several or even many times before.
Ah, well, I figured that AKA might have had a little involvement, but I guess they had more than I thought. But you're right, the game shouldn't be considered canon. |
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| AnimatEd | Jun 1 2010, 02:53 AM Post #99 |
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Perhaps it's a big urban legend that keeps them from going to that street too often! I think someone once suggested to me that Bro could be somehow responsible for the haunted house, and the more I think about it, the more I like that theory. XD He could've destroyed that house and now it's part of the mystique surrounding why he left, so the kids stay away from it. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jun 1 2010, 03:21 AM Post #100 |
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Wow, that is an interesting theory! I like it, very intriguing. Well, since I don't want to reach a dead-end in the discussion, I'm going to change the topic again. XD Now, let's go back to discussing the school in the season 5 episodes, does that sound okay? So, here's my first point. In this shot from "Too Smart For His Own Ed", there is a sign right outside the door to the school in the middle of the little paved circle. Posted Image However, I often don't see that sign there, such as in this screenshots from "Look Before You Ed." Posted Image It makes me wonder what is the canon look to the front of the school? Is that sign supposed to be there, or not? Also, the road leading up to the front of the school in the first shot goes off to the right, when in the second, it appears to turn off to the left. I'll look for some more screenshots that might be nice to include. |
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