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| Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 2 2010, 06:59 AM (7,096 Views) | |
| RTCombo | May 9 2010, 04:24 AM Post #21 |
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Well I figured that the writers didn't want E,EnE to be in a specific time. So to the kids the train may not be outdated (as much as it is to us anyway). I doubt that the railway actually stops at Peach Creek, there's no station present in the episode or any other episodes and the water tower was probably just placed there for the sake of the plot. Plus as far as I can see the 'siding' was talking about might not be a siding after all (it's hard to tell since the end of the line isn't seen at all :P). But I'm guessing the train/railway eventually leads to the big city (Downtown Peach Creek?) seen in the Big Picture Show.
An image of the three Eds as hobos comes to mind, lol :D. I'm guessing you don't take the video games as canon? |
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| AnimatEd | May 9 2010, 04:39 AM Post #22 |
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The big city is not part of Peach Creek. It is at least 3 towns away from Peach Creek (Raven M. believes that by the time they reached the swamp they were out of Lemon Brook and highways signs suggest that the Eds weren't at the border of the city until around the time they got to Lake Garcia State Park, so there's a town between Lemon Brook and the city). The "Downtown" signs refer to the downtown section of the nameless city, not that the city itself is downtown Peach Creek (the address of Mondo a-GoGo presumably being the 160 Downtown address seen on Jonny's bus). It took me a while to figure that out. It IS possible that the train leads there, but it looked more like it would be bending toward the desert. It could really change direction at any point offscreen, though. And no, I don't really take them as canon.. I think they're more canon than the games on CN's website, because AKA actually does have some input on them, but the game designers have to change things for the sake of gameplay. The writing may be canon, though... I believe the credits said Jono Howard and Mike Kubat were its writers, which would mean Rolf's cow is almost officially named Beatrice. : D But most of the comics were also made by AKA people, and if the comics were canon then Edd would have piereced ears. XP It's hard to figure out which sources, even official ones, can be trusted. |
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| RTCombo | May 9 2010, 05:33 AM Post #23 |
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I recall there being an arrow pointing to a "Seaport" or something like it on the same sign as the Downtown sign. I used to assume that that was where Mondo A Go-Go was, since the park seems to be near the sea.
I guess that explains why you didn't mention where the school is in the game(s) earlier, lol.
Season 1 lives up to this quote. |
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| AnimatEd | May 9 2010, 07:56 AM Post #24 |
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There was a sign pointing in the opposite direction that said "Seawall," which is a barrier constructed along the coastline to prevent the ocean's tide from eroding the shore. So I'm guessing the sign was pointing to some kind of tourist attraction part of it, but the seawall itself is along the entire coast of the city. Mondo being in Downtown is supported by the Eds passing a "City Limits" highway sign when they go to Lake Garcia State Park (which is on a cliff right above/next to Mondo a-GoGo). The only game that really follows a map in its gameplay (as opposed to being just a loop of houses/junk/trees/trailers/whatever decorates the level's location) is the console version of MisEdventures. I love looking at its rendering of the Eds' world and pointing out things they got right (the cul-de-sac HUB is almost spot-on), but I could spend days telling you all the locations they made up or changed for no clear reason (why's the lane brown instead of purple? why does the factory have so many buildings and somehow connect to the trailer park? where are all these doghouses?). Jawbreakers follows the season 1 official map (there are literally transition scenes where they walk over that map), and MisEdventures GBA is kinda just them walking through an endless loop of houses for almost every level (I think there's one junkyard level..). Scam of the Century doesn't really make a lot of sense with how they get from school (which is never actually shown in it) to the cul-de-sac. It makes pretty good sense up until each Eds' third level, (Edd jumps from the the construction site to the field behind the cul-de-sac, Eddy jumps from the trailer park to the candy store street, and Ed doesn't go to a new location). |
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| RTCombo | May 9 2010, 11:48 AM Post #25 |
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Speaking of the school. I went over Mission Ed-Possible's route from the school to the Cul-De-Sac, I'm stuck on how Edd arrived on the left side of his house when he left the Kanker's trailer on the side of the lane next to the playground (or so that's what it looked like). Or did he run all the way to his house's side of the lane? Posted Image The more I look at this shot, the more I'm starting to think the movie might be the only time the street has been a cross. And even if it is a cross, I'm not sure if the other side has a Cul-De-Sac. |
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| AnimatEd | May 9 2010, 08:11 PM Post #26 |
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HAHA, I guess it's possible that he ran all the way around the lane, but they probably did just have him run in from the wrong side. And no, there's a cross street moment a few scenes earlier in that episode. It usually only happens in overhead shots, though. When the camera's at ground level it's easier for them to just draw a row of houses tha to have an endless street of houses going into the distance. Just for fun, I decided to piece together the whole pan since I think it's an interesting shot (this must be the only time that the creek's construction site end has been visible!): Posted Image http://edtropolis.com/peachcreek/index.htm Right on this site's page about Peach Creek, you can see a season 1 background with the cross street (surprisingly at almost-ground level!), Edd's map of the neighborhood from 'O-Ed Eleven' that shows the cross street, and the official map that shows the cross street. Also on this page is a season 2 junkyard background (from 'Hands Across Ed') that shows the purple path/road at the entrance of the junkyard that I mentioned before (you can also see the factory in the distance!). Here's a Boom Boom Out Goes the Ed background with the cross street: Posted Image A Tinker Ed cross street bg: Posted Image I know there are more but that's all I have time to look up. I think 'One Size Fits Ed' may have had them on the cross street when they tried to put Jimmy in the mail (and maybe for that slingshot-Jimmy-to-Japan plan at the end as well) and 'A Glass of Warm Ed' shows a pan across several streets when Ed is floating with some woman's panties. There may have been a cross-street shot in 'Out With the Old, In With the Ed', because I know there was an interesting shot that showed more streets behind the cul-de-sac when Ed and Eddy were on top of the water slide. And like I said, I only made the other street a cul-de-sac because there has to be another cul-de-sac somewhere nearby. They wouldn't be playing in it so often if it were a long walk away. The movie canon says that it's a normal street. Also, just remembered some funny inconsistent backgrounds: in 'The Eds Are Coming', Rolf's house is visible from the playground (in a way that would involve it not being on the cul-de-sac). In 'Jingle Jingle Jangle', Rolf's house is visible from Ed's basement window at an angle that would only be possible from Eddy's house (furthermore, Ed's basement window officially faces his backyard, not the street). |
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| Kirkland22 | May 9 2010, 11:46 PM Post #27 |
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Wow, AnimatEd, those pictures are very telling about the cross streets outside the cul-de-sac. Good post, as always. I found that 'Mission Ed-Possible' picture particularly intriguing. In that pic, we can see what's east of the second cul-de-sac, which we are unable to see in that map of the cul-de-sac on Edtropolis.Com. Unfortunately, it doesn't show us too much, but you can still see kind of a forest or something that stretches next to the second cul-de-sac and more under-construction houses. Is there another picture that shows us more of what is east of the second cul-de-sac? Because I sure find that interesting. |
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| AnimatEd | May 10 2010, 01:19 AM Post #28 |
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Yeah, it's generally canon that the other side of the construction site is a woodsy area. I know you can see it in the distance when Jimmy and Sarah are conspiring to follow the kids (when they're next to the playground) in BPS, and it should be in the BPS screenshot I posted earlier. It's also partially visible in the top left of the 'Boom Boom..' screenshot in that post. I think you can see it in 'Sorry Wrong Ed' as well (but that's my least favorite episode so I don't watch it very often). Pretty much any episode after season 3 that has the construction site should show it at some point. Around late season 3 they started paying more attention to the official map and figuring out what the official colors were for everything. |
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| RTCombo | May 10 2010, 12:22 PM Post #29 |
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Wow, I guess the street is a cross :sweatdrop. I'm sorry I questioned you. But do you know where this location is? Posted Image It's seen in Vert Ed Go an like a few other locations (the tree for starters) it's kinda hard to tell where this is on the map. And do you know where the first mailbox is? My guess is that it's next to the lane (judging solely by the wooden fence :P) but it's definatly not next to the playground like other episodes. Posted Image Posted Image |
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| AnimatEd | May 10 2010, 10:53 PM Post #30 |
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Back when I made my first map, I focused way too much on season 1 and that's why my first map was a disaster. XD That shot looks like it's just a random fence people abandon their litter at. I'm guessing at its most canon it's in the field behind the cul-de-sac, or on the other side of one of the school's fences. That episode also has a strange hill and road leading from the lane to wherever the treehouse is. That episode makes the treehouse seem like it'd be in the field as well.. Peach Creek's a lot less industrialized in those kinds of season 1 eps, so everything takes place in fields (maybe this could be continuity in its own right? Like PC's been going under development unbeknownst to the Eds and now those season 1 fields are gone?). In season 3's 'The Day The Ed Stood Still', the treehouse is visible from Kevin's backyard, though, so the best location for it is probably in the clearing behind the playground's woods. The most interesting thing about that first shot, is that it looks like there's a computer in that garbage... It could be a TV, but I'd like to think 2 computers have appeared in the series. Mailboxes are all over the place. I think the playground one is the only official one. In 'Hand Me Down Ed', there's one at Jimmy's house that Kevin knocks over onto Jimmy's toys, but I don't think mailboxes are usually in the cul-de-sac itself. In 'Quick Shot Ed', there's somehow one behind Nazz's houses with a playground-esque fence behind it, even though that would be a part of the lane that's nowhere near the playground. The fence Rolf's mailbox is at reminds me that there's sometimes streets with vague fences and no distinguishable houses on the other side.. The 'You Think It, We Buy It' scam in 'Stuck in Ed' was on a street like that. That street has woods across from it and presumably the playground in a close distance of it. From the playground's angle of trajectory, this street (at the position the Eds were standing) should be the next street to the left of the cul-de-sac. In 'For The Ed By The Ed' there's another location like this, that appears to be on this same proposed street to the left of the cul-de-sac, although in the shot that explains its location (when Jonny and Jimmy are seeing parading Plank down to the cul-de-sac), we don't see the woods that are usually bordering the cul-de-sac. |
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| RTCombo | May 11 2010, 12:12 PM Post #31 |
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A.K.A. was probably focusing on the characters back when they were making season 1. The junkyard seems to look like it's on top of a hill in Vert Ed Go, and I'm sure that there are loads more.
I'd hate to sound rude, but any reason for this?
It got destroyed in the same ep so I wouldn't wonder why the kids never went there again. |
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| AnimatEd | May 11 2010, 06:01 PM Post #32 |
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Because a computer in the first episode is not enough! I DEMAND MORE COMPUTERS! And it feels like it's missing some of the details you'd usually see on an EEnE TV: mainly rabbit ears and buttons... Most of their TVs have really interesting designs, but that thing in the trash seems to be shaped more like an old computer monitor than one of their TVs. It's not my area of expertise to know what makes a TV a TV and a computer a computer, but it just looks a lot more like a computer to me than anything else. And I think it'd be funny if it WAS the computer from the first episode and the Eds decided to toss it after that. XD
I wonder how canon that was... Sure, we never see it again, but several houses have blown up and been back the next episode. If the treehouse managed to survive past its original episode, and for 3 seasons at that, could that mean it's an official-enough structure to keep returning whenever the Eds need it? And that same question goes for the damages in the movie.. The movie is pretty good with continuity and doesn't have anything get fixed between scenes other than some characters' injuries, and because it's the last episode everything feels a lot more permanent. But in a universe where more episodes were made, I wonder if Bro's car would be put back together (like the houses) and, dare I go any further, back in Bro's room? And I wonder if that rock in the desert is forever stuck the way the Eds knocked it over or if it would go back to its original placement if it were ever seen again.. And if there will always be remnants of the Eds' last scam in whatever lane that was (because it wasn't on the cul-de-sac) or if it will clean itself up like their other scams.. |
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| RTCombo | May 12 2010, 01:22 PM Post #33 |
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If that was true I'd think it kinda odd how they'd throw away and leave it such a random location. They have a junkyard near their homes and I'm sure a garbage truck comes to the Cul-De-Sac often.
Well in that universe I'd wonder how the Ed's new lifestyles are with the "in crowd," lol. But to my memory, in the series the only time a house that's been destroyed and has been mentioned in other episodes would be Jonny's. "Home wrecker!"
Yes, but what if the kids never went there again for fear that the Kankers were still dwelling in it? Who know's what became of the tree after the treehouse collapsed, and if there's a new one in it's place at all. Lol, while I was typing the paragraph above I though what if that area was the same woods that Rolf, Jonny and Jimmy go into. |
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| AnimatEd | May 12 2010, 07:19 PM Post #34 |
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"Home wrecker" is a term for a woman/man that a husband/wife is having an affair with, wrecking the trust in their home. Jonny was referring to how Eddy was coming between him and Plank. Jonny's house being destroyed WAS mentioned in 'The Good Ole Ed' though. Jimmy's house had a vapor bomb blow up in it, Eddy's house has collapsed in on itself, Edd's house was dropped on him as a baby (though that may not be considered as really happening since they were kinda altering time), the school had a printer explode and flood the building with papers AND it has collapsed in on itself, and other anonymous houses have been destroyed (most notably the one Ed dropped on Eddy in 'Cry Ed'). Since these all seem to rebuild themselves automatically, I wonder if that implies the things I mentioned before can rebuild as well, or if those follow the rules of most of the Eds' scams and are left in place forever or get hauled away to the junkyard.
That's what I'm saying. How can we be sure that it stayed broken? And I'm guessing the kids wouldn't be scared of the Kankers being there since Edd decided it would be a great place to hide without even thinking of the Kankers. And the 'An Ed In The Bush' woods are the ones behind Jimmy's house. The treehouse is more likely in a middleground between the playground woods, the construction site, and the creek, because it should be visible from Kevin's backyard, unless that was as non-canon as its original location. |
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| RTCombo | May 13 2010, 11:34 AM Post #35 |
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I recall Edd keeping past failures in his basement and most of them were in very bad condition, I'm sure those didn't fix themselves or get halued off.
It's close enough to be seen from Kevin's house? I figured it was next to the lane (and quite close to the forest), since Eddy lands in those thorny bushes later seen in The Good, The Bad and the Ed. Or I thought those two were the same bushes anyway. This doesn't have anything to do with mapping out anything, but do you think Ed's middle name being Horace is canon (he says so in Smile For the Ed if memory recalls)? |
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| AnimatEd | May 13 2010, 05:52 PM Post #36 |
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That's basically the same thing as being hauled away to the junkyard. Seeing the broken elevation boots in Edd's basement is about the same as seeing the broken piggy bank smasher and swing chair ride in the junkyard in 'Dueling Eds'.
Yeah, they were in Kev's backyard when Edd saw the treehouse in 'The Day The Ed Stood Still'. It could still be next to the lane since there's a lane between Kevin's backyard and the playground's woods/construction site. Weren't the 'Vert Ed Go' thorn bushes in a clearing? 'The Good, The Bad and The Ed' had them in woods and 'Take This Ed and Shove It' had it presumably behind the cul-de-sac (that whole desk chase thing is very unclear and hard to map out, though, especially because they start off in the lane and then they're suddenly in a woodsy area instead of going home). I think they're all either different thorn bushes or non-canon bushes that only come up when the writers need them. And what exactly are you referring to as "the forest"? There's woods EVERYWHERE, behind pretty much EVERY character's home, and then there's even more behind nearly EVERY building/structure/anything. Very rarely do we get a shot explaining which woods they've decided to walk through in a certain episode. We're lucky 'An Ed in the Bush' gave us the shot of them walking into the woods behind the circle of the cul-de-sac (which would be Jimmy's woods) and the elevated shot where you could see the factory in the distance from above the trees.
I do. There's nothing contradicting it, and it fits in with 'Your Ed Here's joke that Edd and Eddy have odd middle names. Why wouldn't it be canon? =O |
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| RTCombo | May 14 2010, 10:19 AM Post #37 |
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Yeah, sorry. I tend to forget that there are woods all around the Cul-De-Sac :sweatdrop, and by forest I was refering to the woods next to the playground. Sorry to change the subject again, but have you ever tried mapping out the Candy Store lane? |
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| AnimatEd | May 14 2010, 04:59 PM Post #38 |
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Well, there isn't really much to map out about the lanes.. They're just fences with purple dirt behind every street. XD Their contents and design change too often to map accurately. If you mean the Candy Store's street, I have tried to map that in both of my maps, but it's changes constantly as well so that's difficult too. I think the Don't Rain on my Ed shot of the street shows us the most of what's down the street, which I believe was more fenced-up trees. |
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| Kirkland22 | May 14 2010, 05:05 PM Post #39 |
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Glad to rejoin this discussion. :D I watched 'See No Ed' last night (one of my favorite episodes, by the way) and I was wondering about that fenced-in area somewhere in or near the woods that the Eds were inside, trying to locate Ed's mask. Where exactly do you think this fenced-in area is, what's its purpose, what does it connect to, and have we seen it in any other episode? Just made me wonder. |
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| AnimatEd | May 14 2010, 06:53 PM Post #40 |
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That was a dead-end area of the lane. There was another dead-end part of the lane earlier that episode, where Kevin was skateboarding and had a home-made ramp, and dead ends like these have popped up in 'Don't Rain On My Ed' and 'Ed, Ed and Away'. These don't actually make sense with how the lanes works, because the whole idea is that it smoothly follows the shape of the cul-de-sac, and I'm left to assume that the purpose of the lane is so that garbage trucks have easy access to the dumpsters sometimes seen back there, even thouh the lane is usually too small to fit a garbage truck in. If this is the case, then a dead end would completely destroy the purpose of the lane because there'd be no simple way for the garbage truck to get back to the street. I usually put up with these dead ends by saying they're non-canon or that they're on a different street where a dead end would somehow make sense, but sometimes it's clearly meant to be the lane around the cul-de-sac. In 'See No Ed', they were on the right side of the cul-de-sac's lane and most likely went into the playground's woods. I'm guessing the dead-end the Eds were in would be up a little further in the lane, although it still makes no sense. |
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