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| Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore | |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 12 2010, 05:21 PM Post #361 |
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No problem! Yeah, it's really hard to figure out where it is, because it's somehow connected to some woods in the area (like there aren't enough of those...), the cow pasture, the creek (visible in the same shots as the cow pasture fence, though it may be one of the other creeks in the town), and is fairly close to Ed's house. It's difficult to add all those things up, especially because we don't see how the Eds get to the woods from Ed's backyard. XP
The mirror room was the basement (the set up actually kinda reminds me of Ed's basement), but the Kankers' wedding room may have been in a different section of that basement. I kinda want it to be at the top of the main floor's stairs, because that's where the trainset was, and Edd's library was apparently in an attic above the second floor. The trainset takes them into the second floor room, but from how roller-coaster-y it was, it seems like they'd end up downstairs by the end of it. We also see a room on the main floor that has a music box in it.
Indeed, I wanted to mention that this started off as a school thread, but I figured I was rambling enough. XD Lih's stop sign wasn't thought to be the only one in the series, just the only one besides the one Ed uprooted in Boo Haw Haw. But I guess you missed a discovery I made while looking at a background from the movie that I couldn't make sense of! For a few frames in a panning background in the movie (when the camera follows the snakes falling from the sky), you can see the back of a stop sign! It's not in any other shots, though, and the background doesn't match the location we see Kevin in, in the shot after that. The conclusion we reached was that the background with a stop sign was to Kevin's right, since all we see in the shots with Kevin is stuff on his left side of the road (crop squares and the sunflower patch). |
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| RTCombo | Aug 14 2010, 12:18 PM Post #362 |
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That reminds me, did the Kanker's wedding room have a window? If it did it wouldn't be underground.
Is the creek your talking about connected to the swimming hole? Also, do you think the creek's changed over the years? By that I mean in Kevin's flashback (the one where Nazz is fat) the swimming hole looks a lot cleaner than the first time it was seen. (i.e. the spot with the rocks, flies and garbage is no where to be seen), or is it just me? (agh, I'm getting confused :wacko:)
Curses, foiled again lol. Nice to know you've made further discoveries. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 14 2010, 08:43 PM Post #363 |
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I was going to say there weren't because I didn't remember any, but I'm rewatching it and there are two partially boarded-up windows behind the Kankers' makeshift altar. So I guess that WAS the top floor, then! Also, I've never noticed before now that the train tracks bring the Eds to the side of the room, where the Kankers are let out of their box, and then their wedding is at a different angle, with the Kankers' box and the door the Eds entered through being off-screen on each side of them during the wedding. I never noticed the angle change, I just figured the Eds entered through the door directly behind the makeshift church pews. XD
Yes, in 'Hot Buttered Ed', the swimming hole looks like it curves around Jonny's cliff to connect to a creek that is seen while the Eds are climbing the cliff. This is also where the cow pasture fence is visible. I've included it in this bunch of screenshots that I may end up using to make a small map of the swimming hole like I did for the school: Posted Image Here are some pans that show the Eds' path to the swimming hole, where this path is in relation to the swimming hole (apparently somewhere between the two trees in the center of the last pan), and where the beach blanket area is in relation to the Eds' rocky area. Since these pans would probably stretch the page, I'll only link to them: http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9645/ho...dswimmingho.jpg between the above pan and the next pan is this shot: Posted Image (my guess is that the distant green blur is all the trees in the swimming hole area, and that the trees they run between are related to or ARE the two trees they come out between in the next pan) http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9645/ho...dswimmingho.jpg And yes, it seems like the swimming hole has changed over time... Posted Image This looks a lot different from 'Hot Buttered Ed'.. This is much smaller, it seems to connect to the creek where the rocky area should be instead of wrapping around the cliff, and the cliff seems to have once been a lot wider and has lost a lot of plantation over 1-2 years, and started eroding as well, since it looks more like a pile of rocks in 'Hot Buttered Ed' than an actual cliff. I AM going to say, however, that the more detailed woods in the distance here probably isn't something that changed, but rather just because of the backgrounds as a whole got much more detailed over time, and by having a more obvious woods bordering the swimming hole makes it easier to understand where the Eds came from in 'Hot Buttered Ed'. I guess these differences could be explained by the creek actually wrapping around this cliff on a much wider scale (curving to the right along the off-screen rocky area and then twisting back around the cliff just under those trees that are close to the camera in the last shot, and going behind the cliff), with the grass area that was seen across from the cliff being on the other side of the creek. Over the years, the water (or maybe the kids, since they're so destructive...) has rapidly eroded the space between what was once a little pond and the creek, causing it to become the much bigger swimming area seen in 'Hot Buttered Ed'. Nazz obviously kills the tree that was once on top of that cliff, and the excessive sunlight that hits that cliff kills all the grass and bushes that were once up there (possibly accelerated by the loss of the tree's shade). And I guess without the tree and plants protecting it, the cliff is also more susceptible to rain and is quickly eroded down to what appears to be a bunch of boulders. Posted Image AAAAAWWW, I love when the show makes call backs. It looks like the background of the house Ed destroyed from 'Cry Ed' and the background of the trash Jonny led the Eds to in 'Vert Ed Go' is included in the blur of backgrounds when Ed's running backwards through time. It also looks like there may be a field background from some episode (possibly the bramble Eddy fell in in 'Vert Ed Go'), the little pond the Eds washed their new clothes in from 'Oath to an Ed', an orange junkyard car from some episode, and the woods and playground background may be from an episode too (though, of course, Baby Jonny isn't from an episode, I just love that screenshot and it's the point where those last two backgrounds I mentioned are most clear). These look like they were recolored to match the digital painting of the episodes, because the colors look a bit more vibrant and the crushed house background from 'Cry Ed' is colored like it's on grass when it's supposed to be in the lane. |
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| RTCombo | Aug 15 2010, 06:22 AM Post #364 |
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By top floor do you mean the same floor as the attic/library or the floor above the main living room?
Thanks for taking the time to put up all those screenshots. The one where the cliff and the creek wrapping around it with unknown land in the backround is particularly interesting.
I'm not so sure. They might be related to the trees Eddy's seen going through when we first see the swimming hole, but later when we see the same area the bush (or shrub?) is gone and the number of trees has decreased.
Thought so. Though I'm curious as to how the swimming hole originally connected with the creek(s) if it wasn't like how it was in HBE. For some reason I think it connects to the creek/river where the Eds made their bridge, but I doubt it.
They probably are, though that 'orange car' is too blurry to tell if it's been remade. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 15 2010, 07:15 PM Post #365 |
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I was intentionally unclear because I can't decide if there's enough room in the house for three floors AND a basement. XD At any rate, I think the windows have to be facing the side or back of the house because I don't think there's any two windows close enough together on the top floor of the front of the house.
It was my pleasure! I've never really taken the time before to look at the episode and figure out how all these locations fit together. So yesterday, inspired by the surprising amount of canon there is in where everything placed there, I drew these drawings of how the swimming hole has changed over the two years between the flashback and 'Hot Buttered Ed'. Here you go: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/226...by_AnimatEd.swf
There's more detailed woods there in 'Every Which Way..' and they keep two of the trees there in later shots in 'Hot Buttered Ed' (the colors of the two remaining trees are the same as two of the trees that are there when there was also a bush), so I think they're still the way you get to the woods the Eds were in. They just decided to cut down on the detail in later shots (trees are really annoying to draw anyway).
In my first map that focused on Boo Haw Haw, I also used that creek with a bridge as an excuse for the swimming hole and the frog pond, but now I think that's too far away and the most believable placement for the swimming hole is in the woods leading to the peach orchard, against the corner of the cow pasture. This also makes sense because there's already two bodies of water bordering the road Kevin takes to the peach orchard, one of which has sand around it like a small version of the swimming hole. Wait, I read that as if you meant the BHH creek that had a bridge on it, but you said the Eds made a bridge... Were you talking about that or the moat they made in the lane in 'A Boy and His Ed' (which obviously wouldn't be related to the creek at all) or the bridge-like structure they built for Ed's Sea Ranch in 'Scrambled Ed'? Because that last one was still part of the usual creek, and is even one of the episodes that has the cow pasture fence visible next to the creek. |
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| RTCombo | Aug 16 2010, 06:39 AM Post #366 |
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I meant the Ed's Sea Ranch bridge. I realised I'd made a mistake bringing that up sometime after I posted my last post.
Thanks :). Though do you think that the area with the rocks has been there since the start?
That explains a lot. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 16 2010, 04:42 PM Post #367 |
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I think it makes more sense for those to just be off screen, because rocks and dead trees aren't just gonna sprout out of the ground there... I don't think someone would painstakingly carry rocks there to make that side uglier, and breaking down boulders to make those rocks would just be way too ridiculously fast of an erosion (I'm already stretching reality for my theory that the cliff and sandbar were extremely eroded in 2 years) and there'd probably still be dead trees (since it seems the idea is that it's too hot and dry for trees to live on that side). The only other option is for these to be two different swimming holes, but they look very similar for the most part so that's not likely. In other news, I was putting some of the stores Jonny passed in BPS into my movie and noticed that in my past list of store signs, I had missed one called "The Wig Boutique." There's also an interesting looking sign on a pink building that starts coming on screen, but the shot changes before we can see any words on the sign, but it looked like it started with a "P" so in my movie I decided that it's the PC Library. I'm only KINDA making that up, because there does need to be a library in walking distance since Edd bought books from one in 'A Case of Ed' and there's nothing saying that WASN'T the library. 8D |
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| Kirkland22 | Aug 16 2010, 09:22 PM Post #368 |
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It's been a while since I've posted in this thread. I've been very busy – school orientations, tennis tryouts, relatives coming over for a few days, and more. Which reminds me, school starts in about a week, so this probably will be my last post for a month or so. Maybe longer, depending on if I get enough free time. Anyway, I'm kind of lost in catching up with the posts you guys have had since I've been away, so I'll just respond to AnimatEd's response post to my last one.
Ohhh, okay, that makes it a lot clearer. And 40 miles wide is HUGE for a city, unless it's a REALLY large one. The city of Dallas, Texas (population about 1.3 million) isn't even 40 miles wide. So yeah, Peach Creek must be in a really large city according to this.
True, true. It seems in these parts there are more apartments than houses.
What an interesting observation. I would never have guessed. XD
Hmm… I kinda figured it had something to do with eating as well. It just seems like a strange name for a restaurant, especially if this is supposed to be in a downtown area – that name fits in a rural setting, not urban.
Interesting… you're right. Wow, I'm surprised at the quality of these compared to mine… and yours weren't even screenshots, they were taken on a cell phone camera! But I don't think we should consider this whole image canon – I mean, look at the lots where the cul-de-sac houses are supposed to be. The houses are not there! It's just trees and other pieces of greenery on the lots.
Oh wow. XD But once again, that's so minor, it's almost not really important at all.
Could be! At the end of BPS, he obviously knew how to get there since he (and Plank) drove the bus to the place. But if he had been to Mondo before, maybe that means he'd seen Eddy's brother. =O |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 16 2010, 11:00 PM Post #369 |
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Yikes! Your life is craaaaay-zeeeee. I don't think school normally takes that much time out of a schedule, but see ya when you're available then!
Oh! I like the thought of them living just outside of a large city!
There's a sign on top that says "EATS" so that's kind of a given, haha. XD It's right along the border of the urban and suburban areas, so it's pretty fitting. And I don't think 'Slop Bucket' sounds too strange right next to 'Crummy Apartments', I guess everyone's into self-degrading humor in that part of the city. XD
Nooo, I see houses, they're just really tiny, uncolored and undetailed (I'm mostly just seeing roofs and blank walls), you can even see their driveways. There's plenty of other reasons this is non-canon, though. Everything's further apart than they should be, the creek goes in the wrong directions, the lane goes out into the field instead of wrapping around the cul-de-sac (I wonder if that's supposed to be a reference to the strange lane Ed takes to get to the treehouse in 'Vert Ed Go'), the crosstreets are missing, some woods are missing, and probably others if I was being more nitpicky.
Indeed, if this is true then that gives further reason for Jonny to get such a small scene at the end-- he's already been there and met Bro, so there's no need to focus on him. And since you may have missed it and I think you'd enjoy it, here's a link to two drawings I did of the swimming hole overhead (one for each of its appearances): http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/226...by_AnimatEd.swf |
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| RTCombo | Aug 19 2010, 04:31 PM Post #370 |
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Gasp! This thread has halted :eek, lol. Nice to see you back in here Kirk.
Oh yeah I forgot that there was a library in PC. Are there any other buildings mentioned in the series that hasn't appeared yet? |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 19 2010, 05:13 PM Post #371 |
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I don't think it's actually been -mentioned-, but 'One of Those Eds' implies there's a hospital that we haven't seen (because an ambulance came for Jimmy). Earlier in the thread, you and I were talking about the large buildings under Jonny's highway, and I commented that one of them looked like it could've been a hospital, but there wasn't a sign on it or anything to prove that theory, so it technically hasn't appeared in the show. Similarly, I guess we could say that the outdated railway in 'The Good, The Bad and the Ed' leaves a lot of possibilities open (train stations, other stops, etc), but it's not likely that it's used for anything besides the Urban Rangers, especially because it's on top of a mountain. OH! I know! Joe's Clubhouse and the Go-Kart tracks are both places that were mentioned but never shown. I'm really interested in Joe's Clubhouse because it's interesting that we know his name and it's not even a reference to anyone at AKA for once. And I also just wonder what HAPPENS at Joe's Clubhouse. XD Could it be a dance club? |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 26 2010, 08:37 PM Post #372 |
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Nobody's been talking, so I've had time to find all sorts of horribly interesting screenshots. 8D Posted Image I think we talked about this shot earlier, but I recently realized that the buildings on the right hand street look like AKA Shoes, Danny's Meat Shop, and Toomey's Tattoos, possibly implying that this bus stop is on the candy store's side of the street. Buuut, then I remembered that the orange store visible behind the bus stop here was previously the blue Underwood's Pet Shoppe, and that Danny's Meat Shop is turquoise, not yellow. So I think this is still safe to be somewhere along the Toomey's Tattoos street. The next shot I want to show you is too big, so I'll just link it. This is Run Ed Run's version of the Candy Store street, and this is from a recently uploaded high quality version on Youtube, so we can read the sign I've been saying implied that this is the border of the Peach Creek. It says "Bye Bye Come Again!" You can also see that a row of electrical towers begins next to AKA Shoes. I guess this row is the one the bus follows the rest of the way, and I also suppose this is where the row heading toward the mountains in 'Cool Hand Ed' was. I really wish the electrical towers had a map, though. XP http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9817/byebyecomeagain.jpg And here's another too big to post shot of main street (as seen from in front of the candy store) from that episode: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8071/ca...orestreethq.jpg And since 'Run Ed Run' is on there in high quality, it would've been stupid of me not to get these screenshots (edited slightly to show what's blocked by clouds in some frames): http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4585/ja...factorytown.jpg I am now convinced that we are either seeing different parts of the jawbreaker factory town in all these shots, or that there is supposed to be no official rhyme or reason to this town, because all of these shots look different. We see that there's either another bridge over one of the waterway's branches, or the bridge from the first shot it appeared in has shifted to a completely different position. XP Next, is a small reward I got from forcing myself to watch my least favorite episode, 'Sorry Wrong Ed'... The construction site area being drawn MOSTLY on-model! (Aside from a weird fence where the creek should be and just the creek missing in general... I also think the "Peach Creek Estates" sign switched sides, but I don't mind that) Posted Image As for this next one, this isn't much, but a lot earlier in the thread, we had been trying to figure out what class was being taught at the beginning of 'Cool Hand Ed'. Posted Image As we can briefly see in 'A Town Called Ed', the Eds come out of the same classroom at the end of the day. Ed, Eddy, and possibly others are seen holding History books and as we all know, the whole episode is about a history project. But it's possible that it's a multipurpose classroom, though, since there seemed to be math charts in Edd's notebook and on the bulletin board in 'Cool Hand Ed', and the two scenes are at opposite times on their schedule. Here's a detail I thought was cute in a lane scene in 'Tinker Ed'. Posted Image That's also a good episode for playground shots, but I didn't take any of those. It seemed that the woods behind the playground were fenced off in that episode as well, since Ed and Edd were hiding behind a fence/in front of woods at one point. However, there are silhouette houses surrounding many parts of the playground, where they logically couldn't be, so it's good to ignore those. XD (also, I just remembered that in 'The Good The Bad and the Ed', when the kids go to the playground, the slide that has a wooden base as a second smaller wooden base on top of it for no reason XD) Posted Image Here's a weird location I don't understand in 'Tinker Ed'. I guess they were taking Jimmy through some woods on another street, because that's the only way this strange house with electrical towers behind it could make sense. Wonder why Kevin and Rolf were heading this way, though, especially since Kevin had already been home from school (since we see his bike leaning on his garage in the magic carpet scene right before this). And here's a beautiful pan from 'A Town Called Ed'. It shows how to get to the junkyard from school (realistically there'd be more roads, but overall canon seems in favor of the two being close to each other and mostly being separated by the woods that border the right side of the junkyard), and includes woods, the field, and the factory. This also the junkyard's only appearance in season 5 and its only digitally drawn appearance before the movie (it makes a snow covered cameo in JJJ, but backgrounds were still handpainted in that special). : D Posted Image I'm probably close to the limit of pictures this forum will let me use, so I'll link to these last collected shots from 'One Size Fits Ed'. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5631/onesizefitsed1.jpg I find these shots interesting because the lane is drawn/colored very strangely and we get to see Jimmy's basement. ...Also, come to think of it, the flora in the neighbor's yard (should be Nazz's house, but I don't think they kept that in mind) AND Jimmy's yard change a lot over very little time. =O http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3172/onesizefitsed2.jpg I took these because I was having a very hard time figuring out where these shots are. In this episode, it seems there isn't a perfect crosst street across from the cul-de-sac, but more across from right side lane... Very odd, but this is kinda like what I drew in my movie map.. I had originally thought the whole mailing scene WAS on the street across from the cul-de-sac, but actually what we're seeing seems to be houses behind Edd's house (I lost this screenshot, but you can see more shots of these strange houses in shots 1 and 2). Shot 3 shows the cul-de-sac in surprising detail. Shot 4 seems to be the actual shot of the street that is normally across from the cul-de-sac. However, these fenced in bushes don't usually exist and the way these areas are designed don't really match up with anything else, so I don't think this is the least bit canon. http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8140/onesizefitsed3.jpg And this is just a cute nighttime pan over the cul-de-sac. But I can't help but notice that Edd's house is constantly getting redesigned throughout this episode. XD |
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| RTCombo | Sep 20 2010, 05:23 AM Post #373 |
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I thought this thread would die out sooner or later ;P. Nice shots AnimatED, that pan of the school/junkyard would've been helpful when we were first discussing how the Eds get to the school from their homes, lol. Is the bus stop next to Wootie's Cafe unrelated to the bus stop where that Danderhound (?) busline stoped and took Jib away from? Posted Image I find it interesting how (in the last pic on the right side) the construction workers would build a fence right there when the house is supposed to be accessable from the street right in front of it. |
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| AnimatEd | Sep 20 2010, 06:43 AM Post #374 |
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It doesn't have to diiiiiie, you just have to BELIEEEEEVE!
I would've thought they were the same bus stop, but when I drew the Danderhound one for my movie, I noticed that bus stop was surrounded by houses and not stores. So there's one stop by houses, one stop by stores (originally next to Wootie's Cafe, then moved down to Underwood's Pet Shoppe in the movie [apparently because the shopping district expanded, even though it looks like the street would've had to be expanded as well...]).
That house is still accessible from the street, the fence is going NEXT to the house, enclosing the woods behind the playground. That fence is still weird to me, though, because those woods usually seem... free-range, I guess I'd call them. XD It's strange to see them all separated from the kids like that. If I remember correctly, Rolf's actually sitting in front of that fence in the cut scene for the urban ranger badge level of Mis-Edventures, and for no clear reason the fence is drawn as if it was something the Eds built (like out of string and twigs), rather than an actual fence for the playground. But it doesn't really matter considering how INSANELY they redesigned the construction site for the sake of the level. XD |
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| RTCombo | Sep 20 2010, 02:11 PM Post #375 |
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Oh sorry, for a sec it looked like the fence in front of the skeleton-house. It looks like the artist(s) forgot to include traces of the playground in this shot too though. Judging from how there's always a little forest at every turn your head makes in Peach Creek, trees are always free range in E,EnE's world no (lol)?
If the bus stop moved from next to Wootie's Cafe to Underwood's Pet Shop, do you think it moved from the first location as well? Nowadays one bus stop is used for several lines (at least in my country they are), which could explain why two different lines use the same stop.
It's been nearly a month since someone (you) last posted in here, who knows how long the next hiatus will be. |
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| AnimatEd | Sep 20 2010, 07:27 PM Post #376 |
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Anything at the playground wouldn't really be recognizable at that distance, so the fence and woods are logically all you would see of it from the construction site. And yeah, that's why it's so strange to see woods being separated from the kids for once. XD
It doesn't really feel like it moved, it just feels like AKA redesigned the street it's on. The design of the bus stop and its surrounding cross streets is pretty much identical to what we saw of it in earlier episodes, they just added more buildings to make Jonny's dramatic movements more entertaining. So he's doing more than crossing the street over and over. XD I was also under the impression that buses all use the same stop, and there's not really anything saying otherwise in EEnE. It feels significant that the two stops had vastly different buses, but that could've very well been just because of the time the characters decided to use these buses. But I don't think the Danderhound stop was moved to the stop on main street. Also, when I was listing the bus stops, I meant to include one seen next to the school in the movie, just outside of the peach orchard. So, based on my map, there's one stop in the shopping district north of the cul-de-sac, one stop south of the cul-de-sac by the school, so maybe the Danderhound stop is somewhere in the streets with houses across from the cul-de-sac? In the movie I'm making, I had to place it by the supermarket, though, which is possibly beyond the school, judging from where Rolf was walking with groceries in 'Eds or Tails'. Guess it doesn't really make sense to take my movie for canon, though. XP
I don't know why there are hiatuses at all. XD It doesn't seem like it's a big time waster when I make posts here... |
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| JJgamer93 | Sep 23 2010, 03:19 AM Post #377 |
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I remember seeing a big map of the entire Cul-De-Sac on Edtopolis back in the day. It showed were you could find the creek and the park, and even the Kanker's trailer park! It would be cool if they updated the map to add on the Season 5 locations. |
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| AnimatEd | Sep 23 2010, 03:25 AM Post #378 |
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It's still on there! And I HAVE updated the map... twice. XD
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| RTCombo | Sep 25 2010, 03:48 PM Post #379 |
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I always figured that the Danderhound bus-stop was somewhere near the playground (mostly because most of that episode took place in the playground, lol). But since there's a house in front of the playground (shown in one your screenshots posts long ago) I'm not sure. I can come up with about 4 reasons the Danderhouse bus-stop might've moved. *More likely place to get passangers (though we've never seen them, there must be loads of people who go to all those stores). *The stop was there from the first place and the original bus-stop was just removed. *Easier to drive. (This is judging from how the second street in front of the cul-de-sac is a bunch of streets connected together that would be a hazard for a bus). *Danderhound went out of business and was replaced by the second bus-line. Lol, now I'm just listing fan-fiction material. Still, three random bus stops with two different bus-lines going through the same town seems unnatural. Unless Danderhound is a bus-line that goes to somewhere like Lemon Brooke. |
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| AnimatEd | Sep 25 2010, 06:59 PM Post #380 |
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It just seems more likely that there'd be three bus stops rather than one moving around, the same way the show usually adds cliffs rather than reusing previously established ones. XD And I see buses that have multiple stops on really tight roads when I go to and from school everyday, so I feel like anything could be possible with their placements. I still don't know much about buses, though.. Is it possible that the two buses were different types of buses? Like coach or chartered or something? Maybe the movie one goes a further distance, like Danderhound stays within the suburbs and the orange bus goes all the way into the city? Or maybe they go in opposite directions, like Danderhound goes west through the jawbreaker factory/desert town and the orange bus goes out east to the city. |
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