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| Kirkland22 | Aug 4 2010, 02:32 PM Post #341 |
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Haha, true. XD But we've discussed a lot of good information in this thread, it would be nice if SOME of the things here could be added or linked to at the Wiki. Oh well.
No, don't be sorry. Just because I have to check all the edits shouldn't steer you away from editing. In fact, we need more editors like you, there are only few others who actually use good grammar and contribute useful information. You'd be surprised at all the nonsense that doesn't make it past my radar, as I end up reverting many poor edits from users who don't contribute well.
Yeah, it's frustrating sometimes. XP I've been through many discussions like that at the wiki, and it really gets on my nerves. And the deplorable grammar of a lot of the users there just makes things worse. DX |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 5 2010, 01:15 AM Post #342 |
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Part of the reason I always end up stopping myself from editing is because it's clear that the fanbase predominantly doesn't think like you or me, so I get the feeling they'll think this a troll who's bent on ruining the edits they've made or something, since my ideas are so different from theirs. XP I guess I'm paranoid, though.
I've grown accustomed to everyone typing differently than me, so I can usually just ignore bad typing. XD The rest of the conversation is very frustrating, though. The worst thing about their grammar is it stops me from being able to tell how smart they are, because there ARE some people who are smart but just aren't typists. So I have to try not to come off like I'm belittling them, while at the same time making my point so clear that they can't possibly misinterpret it. Also, we haven't talked a whole lot about the show's map these past few posts (I guess I could've gone over every section of the World wiki page and said what needed fixing, but I feel we've covered a lot of it so many times that it'd be painful to say it all again), so I took some screenshots of an area I really liked in the movie and wished we had seen more of. Posted Image I call this area the city limits, and I like this area so much because it's the only part where we really get to be inside a part of the city. We see the city in silhouette form a few times and we get an extensive look at a state park and an amusement park neighboring the city, but this is the only chance we get to see some city buildings up close. Sadly, this isn't part of the silhouettes we saw (since those were on the other side of the state park), but we can still see some blue silhouette buildings behind these stores, so it seems this is still set up somewhat like the rest of the city, although a bit smaller and more focused on tourist attractions. The buildings seen here are Crummy Apts. (apartments), Vic's Slop Bucket, Seat Cover World, the Doze Inn Motel, and some buildings that are facing another street so we can't see the names. This next panning shot I took while watching the scene on FULL SCREEN, because I wanted to get a good look at everything. It is huge, so I'll link it instead of [IMG]ing it: http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9330/citylimits2.jpg I kinda got off-center because I had to keep resizing and lining up all the pieces of this pan, but nothing's cut off. We see that after the Doze Inn, there are two other motel in the distance, which seem to go down a road that would have to lead to the "Pear Street" the Eds walked on to get to Lake Garcia. Across from this mass of motels, there's some crescent-shaped stone monument, a road with a strange yellow marking on the end (I guess because this is likely a dead end that leads straight to the dock?), another rock landmark, and what appears to be a garden that hasn't sprouted anything yet... I had actually taken these giant screenshots just because I'm desperate to make the sign behind that blue "EATS" shop legible for myself, but ended up ruining its quality further while making the panning screenshots fit together. So here's the nicest quality shot I can get of it! Posted Image I always think it looks like the second word is "Shack" or "Snack," but then trying to decipher the first word makes me think it's just blocky nonsense meant to look like letters. But now I'm thinking that it may say "Seafood Shack," and the S is just difficult to see... |
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| Kirkland22 | Aug 7 2010, 02:23 AM Post #343 |
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The next week is going to be very busy, so don't expect me to respond very quickly on this thread.
Well, there are some good editors, but also some not-so-good ones. The good editors are usually able to tell decent edits (like yours) from actual troll edits.
Yeah, but some people really just can't spell and get their grammar right. XD There are sooooo many spelling errors to name, but common ones are "seperate" instead of "separate", "alot" instead of "a lot", "grammer" instead of "grammar", and so forth. Most comments are littered with the most unpleasant grammatical issues. XP
Indeed, it would have been nice if we were shown more than just this. But, once again, this is fascinating. And though this probably is in the city limits, it's not really in some downtown part – it's sorta out in the suburbs a bit, I think. But you're right, this appears to be a place perhaps common with tourists.
Lol "Crummy Apts.". XD Interesting names for businesses here… though it seems rather obscure to have a place for seat covers and whatever Vic's Slop Bucket offers. XD
I looked at the shot and read your observations above. Another fascinating area that I wish we'd seen more of.
Yikes… that's hard to see… I think you're right about the "Snack" or "Shack" possibilities, but I can't really decipher the top part… I think I can indeed make out the "e" and "a" in what might be "seafood", but I'm not positive on that. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 7 2010, 03:46 AM Post #344 |
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Skey dokes! There's a slight chance my computer's dying, so I may end up in the same boat. XP
Well, judging from how Plank still took the highway's downtown on-ramp, I think that means that he stayed on the bus' course and "160 Downtown" is Mondo a-GoGo's address. And this street led to Mondo, which would suggest it's the city limits/downtown. I believe on my map I made this street the same road that Kevin's bike broke on and the road that went under the Eds' Pear Street overpass, in order to make sense of how all the characters' different routes led to Mondo. The overpass has a city limits sign, which I connect to it being in the downtown area, but I think the sign actually said "City Limits 40 miles," and would be facing drivers that were heading AWAY from Mondo, so I guess that sign is claiming that the opposite end of the city is 40 miles away... I have a poor perception of distance, though, so I can't decide if a city being 40 miles wide is believable or really small. Aside from its strange store selection, the biggest goal of this area seems to be housing people (apartments and 3 motels, possibly a 4th one nearby that Eddy mentioned) and attracting people (a focus on parks and monuments), so I think it feels like it's still part of the city. It's trying to get a tourist industry for the city and/or convince people to move there.
Yeah, I really like Crummy Apartments. XD Seat covers seem like an oddly specific product to base an entire store around, but it reminded me of the "sheepskin seat covers" bit in 'In Like Ed' so maybe they're popular to the folks in the area. Vic's Slop Bucket strikes me as a greasy spoon kinda restaurant that would focus mostly on serving waffles/pancakes. It also looks like a diner and there's a sign hanging off its side that claims it's open 24 hours.
I really want to know how that road/parking lot works... The way the 3rd motel converges with the cliff, it looks like this road would merge with the Eds' Pear Street, or be visible from it, and the motel would be in the way of all the Lake Garcia ranger cabins that the Eds passed before entering the park... I believe I had to rearrange this whole area quite a bit on my map because of how confusing it was. XP HEY, I was watching my parents' GIANT TV instead of the small one in my room and guess what came on? 'Gimme Gimme Never Ed'! I can't take screenshots from my TV, but I used the DVR to rewind it to the shots we loved and took the best screenshots I could with my camera phone: Posted Image There's lines under the yellow and orange blobs, which indicate tree trunks, so we were correct to assume they were trees! :D Lots of cute little details here. And the lane seems to branch off into the giant purple woods bordering the cul-de-sac, but the creek's path is non-canon here too, so I dunno if we should consider this lane canon... Posted Image It's difficult to see here, but I was able to catch it on my TV: the layer that the cul-de-sac's on also has a light outline of the Eds' rollercoaster layer, which I guess is so the animator would know how far the cul-de-sac layer could pan before it would be out of frame, but they clearly directed it wrong here, since we can see the outline and we can also see where they stopped painting the creek because it was supposed to be blocked by the rollercoaster. XD And our favorite: Posted Image You can see more of the trunk outlines under the blobs we had previously questioned, and more delicious details, especially on the street opposite the cul-de-sac. Of course, that's never drawn to canon, but it's still nice to know they cared enough to draw stuff in it rather than just take the easy route and make it all a silhouette blur. I can also see that they DID, in fact, take the extra effort to make the land on the other side of the creek a faded green, rather than keeping it the construction site's purple color. I guess Rethink Ave.'s just more green because that grass gets watered. Also, Jonny mentions something like going on a roller coaster 17 times in a row... I wonder if that means his parents took him to Mondo a-GoGo. =O |
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| RTCombo | Aug 7 2010, 10:16 PM Post #345 |
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Didn't think this thread would last this long, lol. I don't know what's been discussed in here post-Boo Haw Haw route theories so parden me if I'm missing a few pieces of the puzzle. Judging from the screenshots in the previous page, has the mystery of what's across the street from Rethink Ave been solved AnimatED? |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 7 2010, 11:58 PM Post #346 |
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No, I gave you a background from the movie (back on the first page) that showed a bunch of the streets across from Rethink: Posted Image The GGNE backgrounds aren't entirely canon because the creek, lane, woods arrangments, and area across from Rethink are all designed differently than they usually are. They're just nice because of how detailed they are. Speaking of this movie background, I noticed that, during the scene outside the playground with the kids deciding they'll chase after the Eds, the artist drew the construction site street wrong. The street that it and Rethink branch off of should continue past the construction site street, just like it does in the background above. However, during this scene, the construction site street is part of a T-shaped intersection. This is, of course, non-canon, since I don't think it's ever done this in any other episode or even any other part of the movie. I'm also noticing that in the background I just linked to, they drew the entrance to the construction site like it was a driveway instead of another street. XD Oh, those goofs.. |
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| RTCombo | Aug 9 2010, 05:38 AM Post #347 |
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My bad, I remember that. That GGNE screenshot just sparked some hope into "the street is a 'T' shaped road" and your post put it out immediatly, lol.
It also looks like the artist forgot to draw the playground and replaced it with another forest. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 9 2010, 07:02 AM Post #348 |
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But more roads means more possibilities! 8D
Haha, true. XD Or maybe the construction site's entrance is somewhere over that horizon and the portion we see of it there is at an angle... which would then allow that driveway detail to somehow be an unfenced playground. It doesn't entirely make it better, BUT ALMOST! |
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| RTCombo | Aug 9 2010, 12:25 PM Post #349 |
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Yes but that's all they'll ever be, possibilities. It's not like we'll ever see them leading to the Jawbreaker Factory or Community Pool.
I think the artist just forgot the playground. The trees usually surround the playground 'L' shaped, and that forest doesn't look like it no matter what angle it could be. Plus I kinda doubt that the construction site is that far from the road. And yes I know that there is a mini-forest or something like it (based on what Eddy escaped into in Laugh Ed Laugh). |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 9 2010, 05:37 PM Post #350 |
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Jawbreaker Factory is down the candy store road, into the next town. The street across from the cul-de-sac could logically lead there too, but I guess main street is the most direct route. The Community Pool we decided you get to by travelling up the street next to the construction site til you get to the school, make the right turn that Kevin took in the movie, and keep going down that road, passing the entrance to the peach orchard, and somewhere down there you'll find the community pool. That theory is based on how the bus seemed to only needed one road for most of its trip back to the school, and because the way it left indicates that the school is somewhere to the left of the pool. Another option is that it could be down the OTHER side of the road next to the construction site, but I don't think that's as fun to imagine. XP The supermarket is also presumably around this area, because the Eds' competition in 'Eds or Tails' takes place in the sideyard of a house on the street next to the construction site street, and Rolf is seen walking down this road with groceries, coming from the direction that the school is in. The roads across from the cul-de-sac help us map out the town because they're what make sense of episodes where the Eds are able to go to other streets/lanes, mainly Boo Haw Haw. Also, 'Hands Across Ed' just came on, and I noticed that the stage for the Eds' telethon was Eddy's backporch! It's bothered me FOREVER that they never use it, so this is exciting! It doesn't entirely make sense because there should be a fence on the deck that would block the Eds from the kids, but I'll have to watch it again to see if there's any shots that show if the Eds dismantled the deck or anything. I only realized at the end of the episode, so I need to rewatch the rest of it. After that was 'Floss Yer Ed', and I found it funny how, until they go to Eddy's house at the very end of the episode, the whole episode is pretty much IN LOVE with the lane. Which of course leads to all sorts of new not-entirely-canon information about the lane. XD We see trees in it, some kind of bend that may have been a T-shaped intersection, what seemed to be a very empty backyard or a field with a silhouette house in the distance, and at one point it even seems like there's two lanes right next to each other, connected by a gate, and one of them is big enough to have an ENTIRE HOUSE inside of it in the distance! The lane's so ridiculous... |
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| RTCombo | Aug 10 2010, 07:32 AM Post #351 |
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Sorry to change the subject but, I was looking a few pages back and came across this. Posted Image Do you think that the long street across the Cul-De-Sac seen here is canon? In the screenshot you posted earlier it looks as though this street is just hidden by the road. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 10 2010, 04:09 PM Post #352 |
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We don't see it a lot (A Glass of Warm Ed has some other streets, but from the angle Ed flew away from his house, I don't think he should've passed ANY streets...) but I don't think there's anything particularly against it, and it could be a good spot for the third cul-de-sac, where the house of the haunted is located! I like this idea.... |
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| Berb | Aug 10 2010, 06:10 PM Post #353 |
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The alley wrap around the cul-da-sac? Right? Cause the Scam in the movie looks like the mirror image of the site of "Chimp World". I know Chimp World open to the right and the movie scam open to the left . |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 10 2010, 06:30 PM Post #354 |
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There's a lane behind most of the streets, we think that 'See No Ed's lane and the movie's scam's lane were on a different street than the cul-de-sac, because 'See No Ed' has a lot of dead-ends in it and the movie's scam was next to houses that don't exist on the cul-de-sac. |
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| Berb | Aug 10 2010, 06:51 PM Post #355 |
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oh, yeah |
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| RTCombo | Aug 11 2010, 03:17 PM Post #356 |
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I was thinking the same thing when I was writing my last post, only I was thinking it could also be home to the numberous houses in Read All About Ed (the one with the fence & dog, the one with the mail-box Ed ruined etc...). But the end of the street is too far away to actually be visible. |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 11 2010, 05:56 PM Post #357 |
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Indeed, these extra streets make it possible for episodes with strange extra houses to make sense. : D Also, this isn't entirely a mapping thought, but it occured to me... the street across from the cul-de-sac... wouldn't that ALSO be Rethink Ave? =O It never occured to me before, but despite the cross streets going through them, those houses are also on Rethink Ave. Intriguing.. |
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| RTCombo | Aug 12 2010, 12:54 AM Post #358 |
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It could but that'll make me wonder what the other two streets (and the main street in general) are called, lol. BTW, do you think that there is a lane on the other side of Cul-De-Sac? There isn't one in your BPS screenshot and it doesn't really look like one surrounds the mysterious third street. Even if the third street is another cul-de-sac I can't picture a lane going around it and cutting it off from the second Rethink Ave. Although, like you said a long time ago, there appears to be a lane behind every street in the Eds world. *BTW, 100th post! :). |
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| AnimatEd | Aug 12 2010, 04:46 AM Post #359 |
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The lane wraps around the cul-de-sac completely. Sometimes, though, the 2nd row of fences that normally makes up the lane doesn't exist (even on the official map), so the lane is occassionally part of the construction site or is bordered by woods. But you wouldn't see the entire thing in most shots because at some point the further side is going to be obscured by houses. The lanes for other streets wouldn't be on the edge of the street, it would run between each street's row of houses. Kinda like how you often see houses on both sides of the lane while the Eds are in it (though this is often an error because they're usually in the cul-de-sac's lane, which should have no finished houses on the other side of the lane).
Congrats! :D And apparently my previous post was my 300th! More topics: 'Hot Buttered Ed' came on tonight, so I'm thinking about the swimming hole again.. The Eds ran to the right side of Ed's backyard and then it cut to them running through woods... It occured to me that the direction they were running in could possibly point them into the woods under the construction site (across from the playground, not the ones connected to the playground)... ...Oh wait, I just remembered why that can't work: because we see a farm fence in the distance of the swimming hole, which we deduced could only mean it's in woods by the cow pasture (possibly near the beginning of the peach orchard, since there's 2 water holes right in front of the peach orchard [this is more recap for Driveus than anything else, I'm sure Kirkland remembers this discussion]). ...I totally just brought up a point and disproved it in the same post! TIME WASTED. 8D This is a really interesting location, though, seeing the episode again made me want to just sit down and draw it out. Not even to map it out in the grand scheme of things-- just to see what that particular little world looks like from overhead. Season 2's just good for backgrounds, though, I guess, because 'Honor Thy Ed', 'Scrambled Ed', and 'High Heeled Ed' were also on today and I was in love with all the attention to detail in the backgrounds. The haunted house has a really fascinating interior design and feels like it may actually have an official map for where everything is in it (as well as being interesting because of how it makes you wonder what kind of person used to live there, especially with that huge library). 'Scrambled Ed' covers a bunch of different locations, so it's really interesting to see all sorts of places in one episode, compared to other episodes that just keep the Eds in the lane. 'High Heeled Ed' has a pretty big version of the playground in it, with unusual equipment, a blue seesaw (may have been the red one miscolored, though, rather than a new one), a field of flowers (which I wish was the same one from 'A Pinch to Grow an Ed', but I think that had a very different setting), and including most of the previous rides we've seen there. Season 5 has really nice backgrounds too. We've talked about 'No Speak Da Ed's beautiful, yet often non-canon, locations, and 'Out With the Old...' was recently brought up again for its interesting shots, and I think we've gotten most of our definite locations from season 5. But I bring it up because 'I Am Curious Ed' was on tonight as well (Wednesday night is Eds' night from 9-10pm! Also, they're on every weekday at 2:30pm), and I loved how it opened up with backgrounds of different (and insanely well-designed) rooms in Jimmy's house. They didn't NEED to do this, the characters aren't on-screen in the first 2 shots or most of the 3rd shot, so those backgrounds were basically a waste of their time. BUT THEY'RE SO WORTH IT. And the rest of the episode's a really interesting trip around the cul-de-sac too. |
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| RTCombo | Aug 12 2010, 01:07 PM Post #360 |
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Thanks, congrats to you too :party.
Thanks for writing a recap just for me. I take it that you have a thing for the swimming hole since it's the one location that doesn't have any connection to the other locations in E,EnE (except the cow pasture).
Come to think about it, the Haunted House might be one of the few houses in which almost (keyword is almost), every floor is seen. The main floor with the living room, the floor above it with the library (and wherever Ed went) and the floor below with the room filled with mirrors. I'm not sure which floor the room where the Eds came across the Kankers was, though it might actually be the basement. Wouldn't surprise me since Jonny's basement is gigantic (at least the one in E,EE'SJJJ).
Don't forget, the very first topic discussed in here was regarding a season 5 location ;D. Don't tell me you forgot when we found a stop sign on Leh's street (to date the only one seen in the series), lol. |
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