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Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore
Topic Started: May 2 2010, 06:59 AM (7,081 Views)
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More importantly: in the U.S./UK (and preferrably with special features)! Because I'm sure you know about the official seasons 3-5 DVDs that were released without special features or new cover art in... Thailand, I think. D:


Yes, I did hear about that Thailand release. If they release it there, then I'm sure they'd release it here in the States too. Aren't most fans over here?? XP

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Hmmm... maybe! It seems like its normal size when close up, it may just be thinner from overhead because of the distance. And at this point in the creek there shouldn't be any trees at all because it should be in the middle of the construction site. XD


True. Not to mention the construction site looks considerably small in that shot compared to earlier episodes. There should be larger dirt mounds, stacks of wooden planks, and more work-in-progress houses. And that "Log of No Return" or whatever it's called, is really massive – I don't know HOW the Eds moved that over there. XD Then again, in 'Dueling Eds', we see Rolf has the ability to uproot a tree and send it down, so maybe it's more possible than we think. XD

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Yeah, the dirt should end at the construction site, but in episodes like this, Mission Ed-Possible, and the movie, they don't bother to change the color to be grassy in the field, so it just looks like everything's purple back there.


True. It seems in the earlier episodes (Seasons 1-4) the grass is much greener and there's not as much dirt, while in later episodes (Seasons 5-6) there's not as much green grass and more dirt and rocky ground. This is just an observation.

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Trees always change color in EEnE, but what are apparently yellow woods here are in the same place that Edd's woods should be, so I'm left to assume that this is just an inconsistent drawing of them.


Ah, okay. I'm not sure what else would be yellow, so we'll just have to stick with the tree theory, I guess. XD

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The only new thing about this is confirmation that the bed is in fact the same room as the TV/chair/window. And we also get to see that there's a mirror on the wall behind the TV. And this is also the only time we get to see the daytime colors of her bedroom, so that's pretty neat. And it looks like her mirror has little sticks of a cat and a horse, because that horse picture is not drawn as if it is a reflection of the one on her wall (it would have blue outlines if it was) and there's no cat picture under the horse picture on her wall.


Oh, that's interesting. And the ceiling is dark blue in that shot, while I recall in your earlier shots, it was some other color.


Edit: Another thing I would like to ask (doesn't have to do with mapping out the Peach Creek area, though), is Ed's real name Edward or Edwin? In 'Hand me Down Ed', he calls himself Edwin, but in most episodes when he is called by his full name, it's Edward. Which one is correct?
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Yes, I did hear about that Thailand release. If they release it there, then I'm sure they'd release it here in the States too. Aren't most fans over here?? XP


The problem is that CN's unbelievably awful at marketing. If Nickelodeon had any of CN's properties, there'd be plush toys/playsets/school supplies out the wazoo in the likeness of the Eds and other CN characters. But CN never seems to focus on merchandise for more than one show at a time, considering the way PPG used to have all sorts of merch, and now Ben 10 is the merch king.

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True. Not to mention the construction site looks considerably small in that shot compared to earlier episodes. There should be larger dirt mounds, stacks of wooden planks, and more work-in-progress houses.


I think that's actually a pretty realistic drawing of the construction site. The houses should always be centered around the circle of their cul-de-sac, which actually leaves barely any room for the characters to explore, because of how little space is left on the construction site cul-de-sac. The parts that Edd-anonymous-Rolf houses would be on are replaced with the playground and woods, the parts that Eddy-Kevin-anonymous houses would be on are replaced by bigger woods, and the section a Jimmy house would be on is blocked by the creek, so there's really only room for 4 houses (in the same positions that Jonny, Nazz, Ed, and anonymous' houses are). Since there's so little room to play in, the construction site world becomes much larger when the Eds are in it with ridiculous numbers of skeleton houses in placements that make no sense (how would the buyers drive to them if the houses were just all over the dirt area, someday that'll be someone's lawn!).

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True. It seems in the earlier episodes (Seasons 1-4) the grass is much greener and there's not as much dirt, while in later episodes (Seasons 5-6) there's not as much green grass and more dirt and rocky ground. This is just an observation.


I don't think it's canon, though, I just think they're kinda lazy with adding the grass color. Early episodes usually just had everything be on single color so the artists didn't have to think about it.

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Ah, okay. I'm not sure what else would be yellow, so we'll just have to stick with the tree theory, I guess. XD


While not woods, there was a yellow tree behind the Eds' photo scam in 'Is There an Ed in the House?', so yellow trees do exist in the show. XD

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Another thing I would like to ask (doesn't have to do with mapping out the Peach Creek area, though), is Ed's real name Edward or Edwin? In 'Hand me Down Ed', he calls himself Edwin, but in most episodes when he is called by his full name, it's Edward. Which one is correct?


In 'Hand Me Down Ed', he says Edward, but for some reason 80% of the fans hear it as Edwin. A few years ago on the original Earth 2 Edd, Raven M. got tired of this and checked the episode's official script to prove that he did indeed say 'Edward'. XD

Also, kinda off-topic, but the entire movie is now on Youtube in high quality, so I was watching it and could finally make out what the words are under "EZ Scoop." It says "Cat Litter." I was figuring it was a pooper scooper, but I work in a pet store this month, and I notice that a lot of cat litter DOES advertise itself as being easy to scoop. XD And there was also a sign I couldn't read on the street Jimmy and Sarah walked down to get to Mondo, and now I know that it says "Seat Covers World." I didn't realize those were in such high demand that they needed their own store, haha!
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The problem is that CN's unbelievably awful at marketing. If Nickelodeon had any of CN's properties, there'd be plush toys/playsets/school supplies out the wazoo in the likeness of the Eds and other CN characters. But CN never seems to focus on merchandise for more than one show at a time, considering the way PPG used to have all sorts of merch, and now Ben 10 is the merch king.


It's too bad. :/ And to be honest, I really don't care for other CN shows AT ALL, I only watch for EEnE. XP And it's sad when they make these other shows their priority when releasing merchandise. It would be very nice to see more EEnE merchandise. I guess we're lucky to have gotten the complete first and second seasons and the few season 4 episodes on Fools Par-Ed-Dise.

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I think that's actually a pretty realistic drawing of the construction site. The houses should always be centered around the circle of their cul-de-sac, which actually leaves barely any room for the characters to explore, because of how little space is left on the construction site cul-de-sac. The parts that Edd-anonymous-Rolf houses would be on are replaced with the playground and woods, the parts that Eddy-Kevin-anonymous houses would be on are replaced by bigger woods, and the section a Jimmy house would be on is blocked by the creek, so there's really only room for 4 houses (in the same positions that Jonny, Nazz, Ed, and anonymous' houses are). Since there's so little room to play in, the construction site world becomes much larger when the Eds are in it with ridiculous numbers of skeleton houses in placements that make no sense (how would the buyers drive to them if the houses were just all over the dirt area, someday that'll be someone's lawn!).


Yeah, true. I think you're probably right – there's only room for about four houses in that cul-de-sac, and I think when we've seen other shots, we do see four in-progress houses. But even four makes it kinda cramped in there. Plus, isn't the entrance to the trailer park on this cul-de-sac?

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While not woods, there was a yellow tree behind the Eds' photo scam in 'Is There an Ed in the House?', so yellow trees do exist in the show. XD


Oh yeah. And I'm sure we probably see some of the leaves of the trees turn yellow during the autumn episodes (season 5). I can't think of anytime we see this right now, but I'm sure they exist. XP

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In 'Hand Me Down Ed', he says Edward, but for some reason 80% of the fans hear it as Edwin. A few years ago on the original Earth 2 Edd, Raven M. got tired of this and checked the episode's official script to prove that he did indeed say 'Edward'. XD


Ah, thank you for the clarification. Someone recently replaced "Edward" with "Edwin" at the EEnE Wiki, and it made me wonder. Do you have any proof against his name being "Edwin" that I could link to if some of the other editors ask why I changed it?

And speaking of the old E2E, I wish I had registered back then. I visited occasionally as a guest but I never really considered registering. XP And I'm sure I missed a whole lot of EEnE discussion by not being present, so that's a bummer.

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Also, kinda off-topic, but the entire movie is now on Youtube in high quality, so I was watching it and could finally make out what the words are under "EZ Scoop." It says "Cat Litter." I was figuring it was a pooper scooper, but I work in a pet store this month, and I notice that a lot of cat litter DOES advertise itself as being easy to scoop. XD And there was also a sign I couldn't read on the street Jimmy and Sarah walked down to get to Mondo, and now I know that it says "Seat Covers World." I didn't realize those were in such high demand that they needed their own store, haha!


Oh, that's interesting! XD So EZ Scoop probably instead advertises pet litter. I'll need to check this high quality BPS YT vid you're talking about and stash it away for my own future viewing pleasure. XP
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It's too bad. :/ And to be honest, I really don't care for other CN shows AT ALL, I only watch for EEnE. XP


It's the main reason I watch, but I also like Adventure Time, Flapjack, and some of the past shows. Not really into actiony stuff, though. XP

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Plus, isn't the entrance to the trailer park on this cul-de-sac?


There is no entrance to the trailer park, it's just stranded there in the middle of dirt. X DDD I think the official map might suggest that there's a dirt road from somewhere in the giant purple bordering woods, and I think Mission Ed-possible makes it look like there's a dirt road going in that direction and/or into the woods behind the trailer park.

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Ah, thank you for the clarification. Someone recently replaced "Edward" with "Edwin" at the EEnE Wiki, and it made me wonder. Do you have any proof against his name being "Edwin" that I could link to if some of the other editors ask why I changed it?


I don't have visual proof, she couldn't post the script or anything and the old forum is gone now, but Raven's pretty well known as being a part of the show and being on a lot of websites. Other than that, my proof would be to just listen to the episode until you hear Edward. XD

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So EZ Scoop probably instead advertises pet litter.


Not probably, definitely! XD It said "EZ SCOOP" and then underneath on the left was "CAT LITTER" and on the right was a drawing of what I was previously worried was feces but am now relieved is just a clump of kitty litter. : D
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There is no entrance to the trailer park, it's just stranded there in the middle of dirt. X DDD I think the official map might suggest that there's a dirt road from somewhere in the giant purple bordering woods, and I think Mission Ed-possible makes it look like there's a dirt road going in that direction and/or into the woods behind the trailer park.


Indeed. There has to be some connection to another street somewhere, or else it would be kinda strange. XD

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I don't have visual proof, she couldn't post the script or anything and the old forum is gone now, but Raven's pretty well known as being a part of the show and being on a lot of websites. Other than that, my proof would be to just listen to the episode until you hear Edward. XD


True, true. I changed the name on the Ed article back to "Edward", and nobody undid the edit or had any negative reaction. XP

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Not probably, definitely! XD It said "EZ SCOOP" and then underneath on the left was "CAT LITTER" and on the right was a drawing of what I was previously worried was feces but am now relieved is just a clump of kitty litter. : D


That's good. XD It's interesting, though, none of the cul-de-sac kids have cats.

Okay, so I was watching 'Once Bitten, Twice Ed' and I took a few shots of some things I found interesting. In this first shot, when Sarah and Jimmy are entering the woods, you can see the fence with the junkyard back there. My question – Are the woods really right next to the junkyard like this? I thought there was a lot more space in between them.

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And in this shot, we get to see the factory in the distance along with the electrical towers that lead up to it! This must be that field beyond the junkyard, correct?

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Indeed. There has to be some connection to another street somewhere, or else it would be kinda strange. XD


I can't pinpoint when it started bothering me, but a park based around homes that could be driven feels like it should be ENTIRELY roads. XD It does look like they try to make sense of that, but frankly, I think Peach Creek has way too many dirt roads. It makes it believable that the lane could serve as a garbage truck route, but I can't think of ANY time I've driven on a dirt road. I'm sure some towns have them somewhere, but not in such a high condensity... Also it really bothers me how the road Kevin and Nazz make a left onto next to the school in BPS is paved in that shot, but then when it shows them biking next to the orchard, they're on a dirt road. If I had been drawing those backgrounds, I would've just made it so that this was specifically a bike path.. But why WOULDN'T they have just kept it as a normal road? The dirt roads in EEnE are so much more difficult to color. It makes sense that this would be a main road because you'd want tourists to look at the beauty the town is named after...

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True, true. I changed the name on the Ed article back to "Edward", and nobody undid the edit or had any negative reaction. XP


HUZZAH! : D

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That's good. XD It's interesting, though, none of the cul-de-sac kids have cats.


It really bothers me that the artists seemed to be against showing normal suburban pets. XP We've seen one actual dog, and drawings of other dogs and cats. Ed may have the turtle helmet as a pet, Edd sorta has ants, various bugs, and Mildred (and in the future he gets a cat named after Danish physicist Neils Bohr [this is basically the only interesting development in 'Take This Ed...' XD ]), Eddy, Kevin, and Jimmy have fish (Eddy's were killed by the Kankers in season 2), and Rolf has his farm animals.

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In this first shot, when Sarah and Jimmy are entering the woods, you can see the fence with the junkyard back there. My question – Are the woods really right next to the junkyard like this? I thought there was a lot more space in between them.


I used to feel like they were on the left side of the creek here (even though the creek is strangely absent for the whole episode), which would mean the junkyard shouldn't be fenced in and I don't believe there's canon woods behind there. Going back to this now, though, I guess it may be a good enough excuse for all these oddities that Jimmy and Sarah are running through the giant purple woods next to the right-side fenced-in junkyard, leading them to an angle of the field behind the junkyard that could plausibly obscure the creek.

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And in this shot, we get to see the factory in the distance along with the electrical towers that lead up to it! This must be that field beyond the junkyard, correct?


Yep! This was the field and factory's big episode because all of the Eds' scams in this episode take place out there. : D
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I can't pinpoint when it started bothering me, but a park based around homes that could be driven feels like it should be ENTIRELY roads. XD It does look like they try to make sense of that, but frankly, I think Peach Creek has way too many dirt roads. It makes it believable that the lane could serve as a garbage truck route, but I can't think of ANY time I've driven on a dirt road. I'm sure some towns have them somewhere, but not in such a high condensity... Also it really bothers me how the road Kevin and Nazz make a left onto next to the school in BPS is paved in that shot, but then when it shows them biking next to the orchard, they're on a dirt road. If I had been drawing those backgrounds, I would've just made it so that this was specifically a bike path.. But why WOULDN'T they have just kept it as a normal road? The dirt roads in EEnE are so much more difficult to color. It makes sense that this would be a main road because you'd want tourists to look at the beauty the town is named after...


Agreed, completely. And in the BPS, it looked like the trailer park DID have a lot of roads going through it, but in earlier episodes, not so much. The trailer park, as we were saying earlier in the thread, is like a puzzle that can never be solved. XD

As for the lane, we never see trucks drive on it. EVER. Maybe it was abandoned, but its original purpose was for trucks?

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It really bothers me that the artists seemed to be against showing normal suburban pets. XP We've seen one actual dog, and drawings of other dogs and cats. Ed may have the turtle helmet as a pet, Edd sorta has ants, various bugs, and Mildred (and in the future he gets a cat named after Danish physicist Neils Bohr [this is basically the only interesting development in 'Take This Ed...' XD]), Eddy, Kevin, and Jimmy have fish (Eddy's were killed by the Kankers in season 2), and Rolf has his farm animals.


Yeah, I noticed this too. XD It seems strange. Kinda off-topic, but what also seems strange is that most of the kids in the cul-de-sac are only-childs. Most real-life kids have at least one sibling. The only pairs of siblings in EEnE are Ed/Sarah and Eddy/Eddy's brother.

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I used to feel like they were on the left side of the creek here (even though the creek is strangely absent for the whole episode), which would mean the junkyard shouldn't be fenced in and I don't believe there's canon woods behind there. Going back to this now, though, I guess it may be a good enough excuse for all these oddities that Jimmy and Sarah are running through the giant purple woods next to the right-side fenced-in junkyard, leading them to an angle of the field behind the junkyard that could plausibly obscure the creek.


That's an interesting observation. Sometimes I can't even decided if the junkyard is supposed to be fenced-in in the first place. XP But yeah, I don't recall seeing the creek ever in this episode, and I think it should have at least been shown briefly in at least one scene.

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Yep! This was the field and factory's big episode because all of the Eds' scams in this episode take place out there. : D


Indeed! I thought that it was cool of this episode to feature that area. : D
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Agreed, completely. And in the BPS, it looked like the trailer park DID have a lot of roads going through it, but in earlier episodes, not so much.


It is canon in later episodes that there are dirt roads going through it, but there's no rhyme or reason to them as far as I can tell... They don't seem to have a system of leading drivers anywhere in particular, I think sometimes they even seem to crisscross between trailers, and they don't even look big enough to fit more than one direction of traffic, but I guess they'd get larger when in use, just like everything else in the series.

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As for the lane, we never see trucks drive on it. EVER. Maybe it was abandoned, but its original purpose was for trucks?


I think it's just the same reason that we hardly ever see the roads get used either, it's unnecessary to the stories and it saves money on animation. XP Considering that so many of the roads in PC seem to be long and stretch for miles, they should realistically be some of the busiest traffic areas since they'd lead the drivers to so many places.

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Yeah, I noticed this too. XD It seems strange. Kinda off-topic, but what also seems strange is that most of the kids in the cul-de-sac are only-childs. Most real-life kids have at least one sibling. The only pairs of siblings in EEnE are Ed/Sarah and Eddy/Eddy's brother.


Yeah, I'm kinda bugged by that too. As an only child myself, I kinda appreciate that this show has such a low frequency of siblings, but at the same time I'm really bothered that the only characters with siblings are the most uncool oddballs in the show. XD In earlier drafts of the movie, though, there was at least more of a focus on what the Eds' thoughts were on siblings. Eddy obviously admires his brother and learned a lot from him, Ed was going to gush about how being a big brother is kinda the highlight of his life and how he wishes he wasn't losing Sarah by running away, and Edd was going to express how we wishes he could have these kinds of relationships with someone else. And, had not so much been cut out, part of what Eddy learned would have been more clearly defined as him realizing that the Eds are more like brothers to him than his real brother ever was. That's a bit more off-topic than what we were really talking about, but I guess it fits in because I think it would've felt like the movie was calling attention to how few sibling situations there are in the show. And I guess we could cheat and say that this is on-topic because of how people do studies on how many families have more than one child in an area. XD

Also, it's weird how, because of how few siblings there are in the show, I forget to include the Kanker sisters when I think of siblings. And, while I don't really support making up siblings for the other characters, I think Rolf mentioned in his story of how he came to America (from 'Knock Knock Who's Ed') that he had to do something because he was the "first-born male of the family," which could be used to mean that he has siblings, but it's probably more likely that he just had cousins or something on the boat as well.

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That's an interesting observation. Sometimes I can't even decided if the junkyard is supposed to be fenced-in in the first place. XP But yeah, I don't recall seeing the creek ever in this episode, and I think it should have at least been shown briefly in at least one scene.


The official map (and most shots that show the two junkyards) make it so that the left junkyard has no fence and the right junkyard has a fence. When characters are in the junkyard, there's usually a fence visible at some point, which either means that they're usually in the right junkyard or the artists have a tendency to forget that the left one should not have a fence. And since I'm studying the backgrounds so much recently, I'm realizing how the junkyard surprisingly still seems kinda small when the Eds are in it (compared to how other locations become whole other worlds) because of how often a fence is visible in the distance. I'd expect them to just draw the fence when the Eds are enterring the junkyard or any other time they need to interact with the fence, but you actually see it past the junk piles pretty often, even in older episodes!

And I was about to agree with you on the creek not appearing, but something in the back of my brain just clicked, and I remembered that, during the montage of the Eds trying to get other characters to come to the scam, Nazz is shown reading a magazine next to the creek! So it did make a tiny appearance, yay! : D

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It is canon in later episodes that there are dirt roads going through it, but there's no rhyme or reason to them as far as I can tell... They don't seem to have a system of leading drivers anywhere in particular, I think sometimes they even seem to crisscross between trailers, and they don't even look big enough to fit more than one direction of traffic, but I guess they'd get larger when in use, just like everything else in the series.


True. Do you think it's possible (since there are a lot more trailers and dirt roads in BPS) that the trailer park could have been added onto in between the last episode we see the park and BPS? Because it probably doesn't take long to add a few more trailers and lay down some dirt roads.

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I think it's just the same reason that we hardly ever see the roads get used either, it's unnecessary to the stories and it saves money on animation. XP Considering that so many of the roads in PC seem to be long and stretch for miles, they should realistically be some of the busiest traffic areas since they'd lead the drivers to so many places.


Haha, I see. XD Well, we do see cars sometimes, but they don't always move.

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Yeah, I'm kinda bugged by that too. As an only child myself, I kinda appreciate that this show has such a low frequency of siblings, but at the same time I'm really bothered that the only characters with siblings are the most uncool oddballs in the show. XD In earlier drafts of the movie, though, there was at least more of a focus on what the Eds' thoughts were on siblings. Eddy obviously admires his brother and learned a lot from him, Ed was going to gush about how being a big brother is kinda the highlight of his life and how he wishes he wasn't losing Sarah by running away, and Edd was going to express how we wishes he could have these kinds of relationships with someone else. And, had not so much been cut out, part of what Eddy learned would have been more clearly defined as him realizing that the Eds are more like brothers to him than his real brother ever was. That's a bit more off-topic than what we were really talking about, but I guess it fits in because I think it would've felt like the movie was calling attention to how few sibling situations there are in the show. And I guess we could cheat and say that this is on-topic because of how people do studies on how many families have more than one child in an area. XD


Indeed, indeed! And sometimes, I can't even tell if Edd is happy being an only child, hence quotes such as "Curse the consequences of an only child" (which would mean he isn't so happy with it) and then "At times like this, I'm glad I'm an only child" (which would mean he IS somewhat happy with it, but uses it as a comparison with something he'd rather not experience – have a demanding sibling). Ed certainly knows the benefits and disadvantages of having a sibling.

Ya know, when I first watched the show back in like 2003, I assumed that the Eds WERE brothers. They really are close to each other, so it's a bit hard to tell if they're brothers or just friends (that is, if you don't pay a whole lot of attention to the storylines at first, later on it becomes clear that they're just friends).

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Also, it's weird how, because of how few siblings there are in the show, I forget to include the Kanker sisters when I think of siblings. And, while I don't really support making up siblings for the other characters, I think Rolf mentioned in his story of how he came to America (from 'Knock Knock Who's Ed') that he had to do something because he was the "first-born male of the family," which could be used to mean that he has siblings, but it's probably more likely that he just had cousins or something on the boat as well.


The Kanker sisters, yes. But I think they're each from a different father (Butch, Bubba and Rod [their robes seen in 'Nagged to Ed']).

As for Rolf's 'first born male of the family' quote, I don't really think that means he has siblings. If he did, he would have mentioned them a lot more in the show. And he doesn't.

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The official map (and most shots that show the two junkyards) make it so that the left junkyard has no fence and the right junkyard has a fence. When characters are in the junkyard, there's usually a fence visible at some point, which either means that they're usually in the right junkyard or the artists have a tendency to forget that the left one should not have a fence. And since I'm studying the backgrounds so much recently, I'm realizing how the junkyard surprisingly still seems kinda small when the Eds are in it (compared to how other locations become whole other worlds) because of how often a fence is visible in the distance. I'd expect them to just draw the fence when the Eds are enterring the junkyard or any other time they need to interact with the fence, but you actually see it past the junk piles pretty often, even in older episodes!


True, true. I think the fence of the junkyard is somewhat similar to the playground fence – It's a chainlink fence that sometimes appears, and sometimes doesn't. XD

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And I was about to agree with you on the creek not appearing, but something in the back of my brain just clicked, and I remembered that, during the montage of the Eds trying to get other characters to come to the scam, Nazz is shown reading a magazine next to the creek! So it did make a tiny appearance, yay! : D


Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. XP But it doesn't appear where we expected it to appear – near the woods and the junkyard.
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Hey, I just wanted to let you know that this will be my last reply until probably the last two days of July. The exams I must take will be on the 27th and 28th respectively, and I need to hammer down on my studying.


Skey dokes! My job's gonna be ruining my schedule until the end of July so that's fine.

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True. Do you think it's possible (since there are a lot more trailers and dirt roads in BPS) that the trailer park could have been added onto in between the last episode we see the park and BPS? Because it probably doesn't take long to add a few more trailers and lay down some dirt roads.


It's possible, but I don't know if there's really enough room in the small little area the neighborhood takes up and it's not entirely likely because the trailer park would look different on the inside even if it was a normal episode. XP If we want to excuse EVERY different design it's had, the trailer park would constantly be under construction. XD

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Haha, I see. XD Well, we do see cars sometimes, but they don't always move.


We only see cars when they serve a purpose for the characters. If they were trying to more accurately create the atmosphere of a populated suburb, there'd always be cars going by, whether it was necessary or not.

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Indeed, indeed! And sometimes, I can't even tell if Edd is happy being an only child, hence quotes such as "Curse the consequences of an only child" (which would mean he isn't so happy with it) and then "At times like this, I'm glad I'm an only child" (which would mean he IS somewhat happy with it, but uses it as a comparison with something he'd rather not experience – have a demanding sibling). Ed certainly knows the benefits and disadvantages of having a sibling.


I think the idea is that Edd wants a sibling, because he's into psychology and knows how this helps build relationships and such. But at the same time he can see that Ed and Eddy are abused by their siblings and he doesn't have the stamina to keep up with that. XD

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Ya know, when I first watched the show back in like 2003, I assumed that the Eds WERE brothers. They really are close to each other, so it's a bit hard to tell if they're brothers or just friends (that is, if you don't pay a whole lot of attention to the storylines at first, later on it becomes clear that they're just friends).


I think I also went into it thinking they could be brothers, even though it'd be weird for them to all have the same name. And then after I got that out of my head, I thought Sarah and Jimmy were BOTH related to Ed, which wasn't helped by how much Ed and Jimmy liked playing together in 'Ed in a Half Shell.'

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The Kanker sisters, yes. But I think they're each from a different father (Butch, Bubba and Rod [their robes seen in 'Nagged to Ed']).


That's pretty much guaranteed, but I'm not certain those have to necessarily be their biological fathers. I picture Mama Kanker as having a million robes from the men who have ran away from her, and I think the same way she wants a man, the Kankers want a dad, so they just acceptingly call each one a "Dad." I do still think they were made by separate fathers, but I have secret theories on who their biological fathers could be...

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Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. XP But it doesn't appear where we expected it to appear – near the woods and the junkyard.


Well, like I said, it's possible that the kids were running through the giant purple woods on the non-creek side of the right junkyard, so perhaps at that angle the creek would be too flat to be seen in the distance... The artists probably just forgot, though. : P
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Now back to posting here. I've missed this thread. Now to refresh my memory of what we were talking about…

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It's possible, but I don't know if there's really enough room in the small little area the neighborhood takes up and it's not entirely likely because the trailer park would look different on the inside even if it was a normal episode. XP If we want to excuse EVERY different design it's had, the trailer park would constantly be under construction. XD


Haha, true. But it changes around so much, it's hard to follow sometimes.

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We only see cars when they serve a purpose for the characters. If they were trying to more accurately create the atmosphere of a populated suburb, there'd always be cars going by, whether it was necessary or not.


True, cars have never really been a main focus in the show… But it would be nice to see more.

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I think the idea is that Edd wants a sibling, because he's into psychology and knows how this helps build relationships and such. But at the same time he can see that Ed and Eddy are abused by their siblings and he doesn't have the stamina to keep up with that. XD


It would be quite interesting to see how Edd would act with a brother. Would they get along? Would his brother be as intelligent as he is? It sure would be fun to see. XD

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I think I also went into it thinking they could be brothers, even though it'd be weird for them to all have the same name. And then after I got that out of my head, I thought Sarah and Jimmy were BOTH related to Ed, which wasn't helped by how much Ed and Jimmy liked playing together in 'Ed in a Half Shell.'


Yeah, I could understand how you'd think that. XD Sometimes I thought Sarah and Jimmy were both related in some way. They're almost always seen together, but they get along pretty well, and I don't think it'd be that way if they were related. XD

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That's pretty much guaranteed, but I'm not certain those have to necessarily be their biological fathers. I picture Mama Kanker as having a million robes from the men who have ran away from her, and I think the same way she wants a man, the Kankers want a dad, so they just acceptingly call each one a "Dad." I do still think they were made by separate fathers, but I have secret theories on who their biological fathers could be...


I see. But something told me that the Kankers' mother wasn't too fond of men – We heard a lot of remarks from Lee that their mother had apparently spoken which were quite critical of men… XD
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Good news! I passed all four of my exams (two of which I didn't miss a single problem), now I have been accepted into high school. :D


Many congratulations! :D I made some discoveries while you were away so I'll put those at the bottom of this post. They're like presents for you passing your test!

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It would be quite interesting to see how Edd would act with a brother. Would they get along? Would his brother be as intelligent as he is? It sure would be fun to see. XD


If they're both raised the same way, they might be the rare kind of brothers that work together. As long as Edd's as much of a shut-in as he is now, he'd likely give his brother enough space for them to not have conflicts... Maybe they'd fight over whose turn it is to use the shower. XD

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I thought Sarah and Jimmy were both related in some way. They're almost always seen together, but they get along pretty well, and I don't think it'd be that way if they were related. XD


Sarah tells Jimmy to go to "our house" to eat in 'Ed... Pass It On', so it's easy to take that as them being related and living in the same house.

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I see. But something told me that the Kankers' mother wasn't too fond of men – We heard a lot of remarks from Lee that their mother had apparently spoken which were quite critical of men… XD


The Kanker sisters don't think to highly of men either, but they still desperately seek the Eds (and Kevin and Rolf and Bro...), so I think it makes enough sense that the mom could be hurt by her relationships but still have a helpless need to be loved. EEnE's so deep. XD

Presents time! First, I was watching EEnE music videos and was fortunate enough to stumble across one with very high quality clips, including a shot that had previously been puzzling us in low quality...

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Huzzah! It looks like some of those weirder trees could even be paint smudges, it looks like that was a difficult background to make neat.

Next... 'Tag Yer Ed' came on Wednesday night and I was amazed to see something... The construction site is ON MODEL (according to the official map) for the WHOLE episode!

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But even more amazingly... IT'S THE ONLY EPISODE THAT DEFINITELY SHOWS THE CREEK'S PIPE FROM THE OFFICIAL MAP!!!

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And it also makes the creek green, like in 'Vert Ed Go'...

This wasn't really planned to be a present, but I'm having an interesting conversation with this guy on deviantART, I'll link it here in case you think anything from it is worth adding to this thread: http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170735790/1590792307 (it sprouted from a converation about a map I made for my own cartoon, if anything doesn't make sense)
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Many congratulations! :D I made some discoveries while you were away so I'll put those at the bottom of this post. They're like presents for you passing your test!


Yay, thanks. And okay, I'll take a look.

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If they're both raised the same way, they might be the rare kind of brothers that work together. As long as Edd's as much of a shut-in as he is now, he'd likely give his brother enough space for them to not have conflicts... Maybe they'd fight over whose turn it is to use the shower. XD


Hmm… I couldn't picture Edd fighting like that. XD It's really quite a puzzle, I think Edd is better left as an only child, otherwise it would be very awkward.

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Sarah tells Jimmy to go to "our house" to eat in 'Ed... Pass It On', so it's easy to take that as them being related and living in the same house.


Oh, I had forgotten about that. True.

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The Kanker sisters don't think to highly of men either, but they still desperately seek the Eds (and Kevin and Rolf and Bro...), so I think it makes enough sense that the mom could be hurt by her relationships but still have a helpless need to be loved. EEnE's so deep. XD


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Presents time! First, I was watching EEnE music videos and was fortunate enough to stumble across one with very high quality clips, including a shot that had previously been puzzling us in low quality...


Oh, wow, it's great to see that in such nice quality! It looks a lot clearer now… almost completely different than the older blurry one. But yeah, you mentioned there could be possible paint smudges as weird trees… And there's that strange orange-ish smudge at the top right, not sure what that is supposed to be.

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Next... 'Tag Yer Ed' came on Wednesday night and I was amazed to see something... The construction site is ON MODEL (according to the official map) for the WHOLE episode!


Ooh, that's a great shot you posted! This is one of my least favorite episodes (just like you with 'Sorry, Wrong Ed'), so I never bothered to watch it recently. But this is interesting…

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But even more amazingly... IT'S THE ONLY EPISODE THAT DEFINITELY SHOWS THE CREEK'S PIPE FROM THE OFFICIAL MAP!!!


:D So… do we see that pipe again in other episodes? It doesn't really look that familiar, or maybe I just don't ever pay attention to it.

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This wasn't really planned to be a present, but I'm having an interesting conversation with this guy on deviantART, I'll link it here in case you think anything from it is worth adding to this thread: http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170735790/1590792307 (it sprouted from a converation about a map I made for my own cartoon, if anything doesn't make sense)


Oh, that's cool. I read a bit of it (also struggling to read through that guy's deplorable grammar), and I really don't have much to say… But it's cool that there are others interested in the same subject of mapping out the PC area and sharing ideas.
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Oh, wow, it's great to see that in such nice quality! It looks a lot clearer now… almost completely different than the older blurry one. But yeah, you mentioned there could be possible paint smudges as weird trees… And there's that strange orange-ish smudge at the top right, not sure what that is supposed to be.


Haha, I know! High quality makes quite a difference. XD And for the orange smudge, are you referring to the orange blob representing the playground's woods or the spraypainted orange cloud? I think you're referring to the latter since that would be more "top right," but I can't imagine mistaking it for anything else since there's not much you can put in the sky. X D

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Ooh, that's a great shot you posted! This is one of my least favorite episodes (just like you with 'Sorry, Wrong Ed'), so I never bothered to watch it recently. But this is interesting…


It's one of my least favorite season 1 episodes (I prefer the beginning stories [eating cereal and trying to strengthen Edd] over the whole wrestling thing which randomly turns into punishing Eddy for nothing), but it has some classic moments, so I don't mind watching it every now and then. I don't think I've watched it so closely before, though!

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:D So… do we see that pipe again in other episodes? It doesn't really look that familiar, or maybe I just don't ever pay attention to it.


No (unless there's one I never noticed before, which is apparently possible considering I never noticed this trait in 'Tag Yer Ed' before), that's why this is so amazing! Usually they just ignore where the creek ends and have it continue indefinitely, and even travel next to the construction site rather than cutting through the middle of it. 'Mission Ed-Possible' has the creek end in the middle of the construction site in an overhead shot, which I had previously claimed to be the only in-show evidence of the pipe from the official map (around page 2, I think). However, you can't actually tell what the ending point looks like there (I think it was just a black line where the pipe should be) and the one on the official map is undetailed, so it looks like the creek could've just been a dead-end with a tire in it from the junkyard on the official map. So fiiinally we have proof that that is in fact a pipe it goes into in the official map and in 'Mission Ed-Possible' 8D And it legitimizes our theories about all the other bodies of water being connected to this creek through the underground pipe!

EDITTTT: I JUST WENT TO 'THE WORLD' PAGE ON THE EENE WIKI AND I CAN'T READ IT CUZ IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM MY MAP-- AAAAHHH! DX I can't change a whole page, but geeeeez, they even think the CITY is Lemon Brook!
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Haha, I know! High quality makes quite a difference. XD And for the orange smudge, are you referring to the orange blob representing the playground's woods or the spraypainted orange cloud? I think you're referring to the latter since that would be more "top right," but I can't imagine mistaking it for anything else since there's not much you can put in the sky. X D


Yes, I was referring to that orange cloud. To me it seems out-of-place. I really wasn't sure what to make of it at first.

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No (unless there's one I never noticed before, which is apparently possible considering I never noticed this trait in 'Tag Yer Ed' before), that's why this is so amazing! Usually they just ignore where the creek ends and have it continue indefinitely, and even travel next to the construction site rather than cutting through the middle of it. 'Mission Ed-Possible' has the creek end in the middle of the construction site in an overhead shot, which I had previously claimed to be the only in-show evidence of the pipe from the official map (around page 2, I think). However, you can't actually tell what the ending point looks like there (I think it was just a black line where the pipe should be) and the one on the official map is undetailed, so it looks like the creek could've just been a dead-end with a tire in it from the junkyard on the official map. So fiiinally we have proof that that is in fact a pipe it goes into in the official map and in 'Mission Ed-Possible' 8D And it legitimizes our theories about all the other bodies of water being connected to this creek through the underground pipe!


Wow, that's good to find out! Have you ever thought that maybe there are several pipe systems other than this one? I mean, it's possible that there is a whole underground connection of pipes that travel all throughout the PC and LB area…

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EDITTTT: I JUST WENT TO 'THE WORLD' PAGE ON THE EENE WIKI AND I CAN'T READ IT CUZ IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM MY MAP-- AAAAHHH! DX I can't change a whole page, but geeeeez, they even think the CITY is Lemon Brook!


… Hmm. Can you give me a good description of what you'd like to change, because I could do it for you. I've noticed some of the things you theorize or even confirm are different than what's listed at the EEnE Wiki.
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Yes, I was referring to that orange cloud. To me it seems out-of-place. I really wasn't sure what to make of it at first.


Yeah, it's kinda silly to only put ONE cloud on such a big sky background. XD There's more of those clouds in the rest of the scene, though.

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Wow, that's good to find out! Have you ever thought that maybe there are several pipe systems other than this one? I mean, it's possible that there is a whole underground connection of pipes that travel all throughout the PC and LB area…


I think that's basically what we were suggesting in previous theories about all the waterways being connected by these pipes, unless you mean that there's a few other pipe systems carrying different water than the creek throughout the area? Cuz that may make a bit more sense! The original idea would take a lot of money, but this one may be easier for a town to get a budget for...

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… Hmm. Can you give me a good description of what you'd like to change, because I could do it for you. I've noticed some of the things you theorize or even confirm are different than what's listed at the EEnE Wiki.


I feel like it would be easiest to just replace that entire page with this thread. XP Or maybe just get rid of anything about where these places are in relation to each other because it's not important in learning about what purpose each location serves, and as we've learned from this thread, locations like the school can jump clear across town between episodes, so it's best to leave these things open for discussion/interpretation than to define a place for them. Like... I know I try to do that and this whole thread is trying to define where everything is, but we're just people talking. Less-informed people take wiki information a lot more seriously than they would with our little theories, and we don't need their minds stunted by opening them up to the world of mapping, but without even giving them correct information to start with. XP Then you and I would have to spend the rest of our lives teaching people where everything would LOGICALLY be placed, instead of weird placements on the wiki.
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Yeah, it's kinda silly to only put ONE cloud on such a big sky background. XD There's more of those clouds in the rest of the scene, though.


Ah, okay. Yes, it seems silly, I mean, it's this sudden misplaced orange glob just lying out there, so it's understandable why it confused me. XP

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I think that's basically what we were suggesting in previous theories about all the waterways being connected by these pipes, unless you mean that there's a few other pipe systems carrying different water than the creek throughout the area? Cuz that may make a bit more sense! The original idea would take a lot of money, but this one may be easier for a town to get a budget for...


Yes, that was what I meant, other pipe systems across the area. And yes, it does make sense, but as for the last part of your statement, I don't think the cost of things is even considered in a cartoon. XD Just whatever fits, keeps the plot moving, and looks nice.

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I feel like it would be easiest to just replace that entire page with this thread. XP Or maybe just get rid of anything about where these places are in relation to each other because it's not important in learning about what purpose each location serves, and as we've learned from this thread, locations like the school can jump clear across town between episodes, so it's best to leave these things open for discussion/interpretation than to define a place for them. Like... I know I try to do that and this whole thread is trying to define where everything is, but we're just people talking. Less-informed people take wiki information a lot more seriously than they would with our little theories, and we don't need their minds stunted by opening them up to the world of mapping, but without even giving them correct information to start with. XP Then you and I would have to spend the rest of our lives teaching people where everything would LOGICALLY be placed, instead of weird placements on the wiki.


Hmm… so instead of having the information there sound so definite and exact, should we try make it sound like we're not positive about all the information? I mean, it would probably make the other editors confused if I just replaced all the content with something completely different (or at least somewhat different). I really don't know any other way to address this. XD
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but as for the last part of your statement, I don't think the cost of things is even considered in a cartoon. XD Just whatever fits, keeps the plot moving, and looks nice.


Of course not, but we've got the thankless task of trying to make realistic answers for these weird creations, so if we can find an answer that makes sense, it's amazing. XD

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Hmm… so instead of having the information there sound so definite and exact, should we try make it sound like we're not positive about all the information? I mean, it would probably make the other editors confused if I just replaced all the content with something completely different (or at least somewhat different). I really don't know any other way to address this. XD


You can't sound definite and exact about something that the people who made the show weren't even keeping up with themselves, because then it's false information. It's better to just let the reader know that the artists DON'T keep track of where things are placed. And maybe then some examples of inconsistencies can be given. It could even be a good idea to link to this thread in case anyone reading really IS interested in figuring out where these locations belong. I don't know how it works with the wiki's editors, but if you have a place to talk to them all, you can let them know that it needs to be changed since the information they're giving is not actually known.

I guess that's why I always end up editing the wiki, though. It's got a lot of information that's said matter-of-factly, but the person saying it is often ill-informed. I know I had to spruce up the Mr. Yum-Yum page the other day because it left out a lot of important details in the saga of Yum-Yum. XD
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Of course not, but we've got the thankless task of trying to make realistic answers for these weird creations, so if we can find an answer that makes sense, it's amazing. XD


True. XD

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You can't sound definite and exact about something that the people who made the show weren't even keeping up with themselves, because then it's false information. It's better to just let the reader know that the artists DON'T keep track of where things are placed. And maybe then some examples of inconsistencies can be given. It could even be a good idea to link to this thread in case anyone reading really IS interested in figuring out where these locations belong. I don't know how it works with the wiki's editors, but if you have a place to talk to them all, you can let them know that it needs to be changed since the information they're giving is not actually known.


Yes, there is a comments section on all pages on the wiki where you can discuss things like that. I don't know, linking to this thread on the actual page itself might be a good idea, but it might seem misplaced and subject to removal.

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I guess that's why I always end up editing the wiki, though. It's got a lot of information that's said matter-of-factly, but the person saying it is often ill-informed. I know I had to spruce up the Mr. Yum-Yum page the other day because it left out a lot of important details in the saga of Yum-Yum. XD


Yes, I saw that. I have to find the time to check over every edit made at the Wiki (which is one reason why I'm not replying so fast in this thread, I'm so busy over there) looking for vandalism and such. But yes, thanks for your edit to that section, it sure did need sprucing up. XD

I deal with a lot of discussions in the comments sections at the wiki. In the Peach Creek article, users just kept spewing out their ridiculous ideas on the specific location of Peach Creek in the real world, and Jspyster1 (the other administrator) and I just kept trying to get across to these users that the location of Peach Creek isn't really supposed to be anywhere in the real world, it's a fictional place that's supposed to remind the viewers of their own childhood home. But no matter how many times we stated this, they just kept up with their ridiculous theories. XP
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Yes, there is a comments section on all pages on the wiki where you can discuss things like that. I don't know, linking to this thread on the actual page itself might be a good idea, but it might seem misplaced and subject to removal.


Okay, I know I saw a discussion area once on Wikipedia, but I hadn't gone looking for one on the EEnE wiki. Though now that you mention it, I do remember seeing people posting comments at the bottoms of some pages. And yeah, linking to our ponderings in this thread would probably seem a bit unprofessional so I'm not expecting it to happen, as helpful as it may be. If this forum was actually related to the wiki, then it could probably be linked to as a "forum discussion" like I've seen on the Homestar Runner wiki, but since it's not it'd just look like 2+ fans spending too much time making up theories no one else understands. XD

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Yes, I saw that. I have to find the time to check over every edit made at the Wiki (which is one reason why I'm not replying so fast in this thread, I'm so busy over there) looking for vandalism and such. But yes, thanks for your edit to that section, it sure did need sprucing up.


Haha, sorry, I kinda figured you'd have to check it, which is why I eventually gave up on editing everything on the "World" page and just went to this thread to mention how it was driving me up a wall. XD Glad my edits were worth keeping, though!

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In the Peach Creek article, users just kept spewing out their ridiculous ideas on the specific location of Peach Creek in the real world, and Jspyster1 (the other administrator) and I just kept trying to get across to these users that the location of Peach Creek isn't really supposed to be anywhere in the real world, it's a fictional place that's supposed to remind the viewers of their own childhood home. But no matter how many times we stated this, they just kept up with their ridiculous theories. XP


That sounds like every discussion I've had about the town (and many other EEnE subjects) outside of this thread. I make my point and give all the evidence proving it and then a new person comes in with all the old ill-informed ideas and I need to go over how things work AGAIN. There's always going to be someone who hasn't heard the news. XP
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