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| Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore | |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 6 2010, 03:14 AM Post #301 |
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Sorry I've only been replying like once a day. DX
Okay, I see. And it does seem strange that there would be two dumps there, but I guess it fits in well. XD
Yes, that's what I meant. Hmm… well, I think when we see the fence in the movie, we are seeing the other side of the property, and when we see it from the creek, we're seeing another side, am I right?
I don't think I ever noticed that about Rolf's fence! But I'm not really surprised considering how often things change each time they're seen. XD I guess if we wanted to get REALLY picky and detailed, we could map out the knotholes in the fences. XD That's perhaps a little too much, but it might be interesting. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 7 2010, 12:56 AM Post #302 |
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It's okay, I can't go on much this month anyway because I have a temporary job with insane hours. XD
Yeah, I'd say that whenever see it from the creek, the creek is going along next to this fence (left side of the pasture), while in the movie we get to see the front side of the pasture. And thanks for reminding me of this fact too, because that could even make BOTH of the fences we've seen canon, because the front could be all wood, but the sides could be made of wood and wire! If not, there's a really nice detail at the beginning of the pasture scene, where, after the Eds have gone down the first hill, when you see the hill behind them you can still see the fence in low detail all along the hill. If I remember correctly, this low-detail version of the fence may have looked closer to the one in the actual episodes.
BLAAAH, we'd be here forever complaining about how knotholes in one episode aren't there in every episode. XD That DOES remind me that I take notice everytime the kids' backyard fences suddenly have gates, that blend in perfectly to the fence. IT JUST SEEMS WEIRD. Eddy has a gate to the lane in 'Robbin Ed', Nazz has a gate in 'Pop Goes the Ed', and in 'Ready Set Ed', Rolf opens a gate from his backyard to the lane at the beginning of 'Run For Your Ed', and Kevin does a flip over a fence in the lane and then reveals that it actually opens like a gate as well, though we don't know whose yard that is... And I'm sure there's been more instances that I'm forgetting. If every character's fence works like that, then that'd explain how the garbage cans get in the lane for trash pickup. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 7 2010, 02:19 AM Post #303 |
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Oh, I see. I have to take some exams in a few weeks in order to get into high school, so I'll have some serious studying to do this month. If I don't pass these exams, then no high school. So yeah, the pressure's on. If I study a lot, I think I can pass them. :sweatdrop But of course, that means not coming online as often.
I see. I haven't paid much attention to the details of the fences, though, so I should probably look over it all again. Now that that's answered, what about the playground fence? Does it stay the same every time it's seen, or does it change around? The canon version of the playground fence is metal, but have we ever seen a non-canon version of it?
XD True. And such minor details like that aren't worth wasting our time over. XP
Interesting! And in 'Stiff Upper Ed' too, we see Ed's backyard has a gate in the sideyard. We should map out the gates too, but I think they really change every episode they're seen in. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 7 2010, 03:41 AM Post #304 |
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Blah, I had to take a test to get into high school too. XP Good luck!
Its material is always the same (a metal chainlink fence), but as we've mentioned before, its set-up often changes. Usually in the show, I think it was just a front fence and 2 side fences, with only the front fence having an opening, but in the movie, it now has fences on all four sides, with openings on 3 of the sides. The only time that it's made of a different material is when the artists occasionally forget that the right-side opening to the lane should have the playground's fence for half of it. They tend to forget this because it's easier to just draw a normal fence, especially if the playground isn't going to be used in the scene.
Oh yeah! And Ed doesn't even HAVE a sideyard fence usually, let alone a gate! XD |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 7 2010, 05:07 PM Post #305 |
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Thank you. ;D
Right. Yeah, that one screenshot from BPS you posted a few pages back definitely contradicted the normal playground fence. And I watched 'The Eds are Coming' this morning, and these two screenshots suggested that the chainlink fence of the playground surrounded all four sides, just like in BPS! (I know that the episode 'The Eds are Coming' isn't really canon, but I still think this counts as something useful to map out XP) Posted Image In this one, you can see the woods back there, and the fence goes in front of it. (and haha, Eddy looks funny in this shot): Posted Image
True. XD One canon thing we are sure of is that Rolf has a gate in his yard, right? |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 7 2010, 08:32 PM Post #306 |
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My entire post got deleted so I have to type all this again. I kinda doubt I'll be able to make it as long as it was before my browser cheated me over. XP
I think the specials are only canon in the sense that they take place out of chronological order from the regular seasons' episodes. Aside from the ending with the kids being kidnapped by aliens, I think that any character/location developments in the specials are worthy of canon-consideration. Kevin's cellar (which looks like it's stocked to be a bomb shelter) has never existed before or since, but I'd really like to think it's a canon part of his house (in the sub-level of canon?). XD Anyway, you're right, it does look like the playground has four fences here! And this is its last appearance (chronologically or otherwise) before BPS, so I guess if wanted to build a canon story from this, the 4th fence was built over the winter and existed through spring and the BPS summer. I'm a bit bothered by how many woods there are. Your 2nd pic is a reverse of the shot in the first pic, so between the two images you can see all of the playground's fences. They apparently replaced the lane with woods, replaced the houses across from the playground with woods (which messes up the way they were able to cheat and show Rolf's house from the playground later in the scene), and the woods on the other side of the PCE cul-de-sac seem to be a lot closer than they should be. XP
Well, I'd say the other characters' gates (aside from Ed's) are more canon because they all have a consistent design for their backyard fences. Rolf's fence changes a lot, making it difficult to say which is his canon fence and which has a gate. Out of all the characters, I'd say he has the most use for a gate, though, since he has to keep his animals in the yard and sometimes takes them out. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 8 2010, 12:20 PM Post #307 |
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Oh no! I hate it when that happens. :(
Kevin's cellar was fascinating in that episode. But you're right, it might not be canon, but it looks so cool I WANT it to be canon. XD
Interesting thought! But you suggested that the BPS takes place during the summer, and I don't think we have any proof of that, do we? I mean, it does seem logical if so, because it's warm outside then and the kids are probably out of school, but there's nothing stopping the BPS from taking place in, say, Spring Break.
Hmm… that's interesting. A continuity error, I guess you could call that.
Right, that's what I thought. And though Rolf's fence does change a lot in the episodes, I still want to believe he has a gate somewhere in there. XD But I don't recall Kevin's house or Jonny's house having gates. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 8 2010, 08:45 PM Post #308 |
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FFFFFF, it just happened again, but I was able to copy everything I typed before my browser went back a page. XP
I suppose it could be a canon room in his house without the backyard entrance needing to be canon... It could just have an indoor entrance the rest of the time. : D
BPS takes place during the following summer vacation to bring the series back to its roots for the finale. It's why the kids have so much time in the movie (I theorize that it could even be the summer solstice, to explain why the Eds are able to do so much before sunset), why there are dandilions and fireflies (and the whole movie is just generally buggy). Granted, these things realistically would start happening in spring (and summer vacation technically starts in spring as well), but following the logic of seasons 5 and 6, when it's a certain season, the way it's represented is very focused on the cliche. Everything's very summery about the whole movie: hot deserts, flowery fields of grass, clear blue skies, sea-side amusement park getaways..
I HOPE Rolf has a gate, because he'd have the most use for one out of all the characters. XD We don't really go into Jonny's backyard enough to find out things like that (I could name a bunch of instances off the top of my head, mostly in season 4), but I think every interaction with his fence has been characters having to get around it which would imply he has no gate. Kevin's backyard feels like it actually makes quite a few appearances, but yeah, I don't think we've ever seen a gate in it. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 8 2010, 09:23 PM Post #309 |
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Thank goodness. :sweatdrop Still, that does seem to be a problem, I guess I'm lucky it hasn't happened to me yet. Maybe it's destined to happen. =O
True. Maybe the outdoor entrance was a more recently added feature?
Ah, true. But do you think it's still possible that it takes place in Spring Break? You did say it was a little Spring-like, though perhaps summer vacation might be a more probable theory.
I see. And indeed, it would seem logical for Rolf to have a gate out of all the characters. What about Jimmy's house? I don't recall him having a gate… Alright, so I decided to watch 'Ed, Ed and Away', and I took some very fascinating (and at the same time confusing) screenshots… Okay, in this shot, I'm wondering - Where is this dead-end lane?? Is this non-canon, or what? I don't recall the lane coming to a dead end! Posted Image And in this one, which is the same lane as the dead-end one in the previous shot, we see the lane make a turn behind a house. Again - where is this, and is this even canon?? Posted Image And here, it appears the playground is fenced on all four sides! Even though we only see three sides in this shot, one of the three sides is the one facing the woods which in other episodes is not fenced off. Posted Image And finally in this shot, it seems that there's another entrance to the playground - the Eds just walked in on the other side and are now coming back on this side. Strange, huh? Something tells me these shots aren't canon… Posted Image |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 8 2010, 11:12 PM Post #310 |
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THIS FORUM'S JUST MOCKING ME NOW. DX I typed soooo much, including an explanation of why my posts keep getting deleted, and NOW IT'S ALL GONE.
This is very possible since we don't see his backyard close-up again after 'The Eds Are Coming'. We see it from overhead when the car flies out of the playground in BPS, but it's low detailed and I think all of the backyards were missing things in that shot, so we could cheat and still say that it's possible the cellar would've still been there if they had made a scene IN his backyard.
I do consider it sometimes, but summer just makes a lot more sense. Among other reasons, it's the choice I'd see AKA making. They'd be more interested in getting back to their roots than teaching the fans what spring looks like in EEnE. They were also basing it on movies about boyhood summertime adventures, mainly 'Stand By Me'. I just content myself by saying that some of the 'Every Which Way..' flashbacks were set in spring.
To my knowledge, he's never been shown to have a gate. Then again, I can't say I remember too many times we've seen his backyard up close. In 'One Size Fits Ed', Ed has to break Jimmy's fence to bring Rolf's shed, though.
I think at this point we've decided that the dead-end lanes are on a different street, right? Because we know that doesn't exist in the cul-de-sac's lane. The second one COULD exist if the lane went in a box formation around the cul-de-sac, but usually it seems to go in a circle.
Hmmm... I could think of a few excuses, but ultimately, yeah, I think it's just part of how the playground changes every time we see it. There aren't even any definite woods there this time. We can see trees, but it's hard to say where they are. This episode always reminds me of 'Don't Rain on My Ed', because they have a lot of running and as such they reveal how bad the boarders are at sticking to a canon map. XD |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 10 2010, 12:07 PM Post #311 |
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No! :( Sorry to hear. Maybe it would be a good idea from now on to copy the text you type and if it crashes on you again, just return to the thread and paste the post.
Interesting. But I'm not sure there would be enough time to add that entrance in between the fifth season (which takes place in autumn) and 'The Eds are Coming' (which takes place in winter). It seems like we would have seen the construction of that entrance in season 5, but we don't.
I see. It's interesting, though, we see the Eds during summer, autumn, and winter but we really don't see the Eds during spring.
True, and I think Jimmy would be the character who would least need a gate. XD
Exactly. But the problem is, the Eds entered this dead-end lane right next to the cul-de-sac. So that means this HAS to be the lane next to the cul-de-sac, so I guess the whole dead-end thing was non-canon.
Yeah, and also, where did that giant tannish-orange colored tube come from? This is like the first time we see it. Top right of this screenshot: Posted Image |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 10 2010, 04:44 PM Post #312 |
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It doesn't always lag long enough for me to copy everything, so I guess I might end up just having to copy every single time I write something new. XP
Well, season 5 ended in October (or maybe November), and winter episodes seem to jump ahead to February/March (because in 'May I Have This Ed,' Edd's V-day card [from February 14] is still in Eddy's room), but I guess the fact that 'The Eds Are Coming' is a special could allow it to take place between JJJ and HPH. Either way, that's 2+ months for it to have been built in, and I don't think we even get to see much of Kevin's backyard between that episode and 'Pick an Ed', so it could've even started being built in season 5. And considering houses/fences can be rebuilt between episodes, it probably even fits in as something that could be built right before an episode. XD
Did we see how they got into it? I just remember it cutting from them at Eddy's house to them in the lane. But yeah, the design of the lane makes non-canon changes all the time. XP
Much like the giant truck tires in 'Ed Overboard', new playground equipment appears constantly just for the sake of plots/jokes. XP I like these ones, though, I wish they were canon. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 10 2010, 05:06 PM Post #313 |
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Bummer. :/ If it gets to be too much of a hassle, we can always move the discussion to T3E, but I'd like to try to stay here if we can. XP
True. I think season 5 ends in early November. I kinda thought 'May I Have This Ed?' and 'Look Before You Ed' were before Christmas, but I guess not. Now I'm guessing they take place in February after Valentine's Day, and I'm also guessing that 'The Eds are Coming' takes place in January. So that does leave the entire month of December open and most of November for the entrance to have been built, and maybe even parts of January before 'The Eds are Coming'.
Yes, I think so. They were following the balloon from the cul-de-sac and turned directly onto this dead-end lane. You can watch the episode yourself, if you want to see. So, if that is the case, then I assume it isn't canon. XP
True, it's very fascinating! Have you ever considered that maybe there's a second playground in the Peach Creek area? It's an interesting theory, but I don't think there's anything in the show that could point to that being true. Okay, so I was watching 'X Marks the Ed' to get a nice screenshot of 'Carbuncle of the Flesh Stew' (XD) And I stumbled across this frame of the cul-de-sac when the Eds are about to leave Eddy's house to face the incoming paparazzi. Posted Image There are several interesting things about this shot: 1) We see the electrical towers looming over the cul-de-sac houses. 2) The street is sorta crooked, and there appear to be more houses on the cul-de-sac (the cul-de-sac also appears to be considerably larger). I was kinda shocked by this screenshot, to be honest. It just looks so different! |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 11 2010, 01:01 AM Post #314 |
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Nah, it's up to us to keep the EEnE section of E2E alive!
Just correcting myself here, I was thinking of 'Who's Minding The Ed?', which airs with 'Pick an Ed'. Not sure how I didn't notice my mistake. XP
I can only remember shots like that in 'Don't Rain On My Ed', but either way I'd say any time there's a dead end in the lane is non-canon.
I haven't. XD I see what you're getting at but it doesn't seem likely at all, because there's no reason for them to go to a different playground when there's one right by. The same could be argued about the lane, but a lane doesn't serve a real purpose to the characters, so those are interchangeable to them. A playground serves the purpose of a playground. And even when they make up new equipment, there's always familiar old equipment. It's possible that they could have more than one playground in the town but I don't think we've seen it if it exists.
Oh yes, I've always loved that shot, it seems like a reverse of the shot of Edd looking out his door in the first episode.
This actually a really canon shot, it's just crooked because of how Eddy's vision is going from what's straight ahead of him to what's way in the distance on the right. The houses seen in your shot are anonymous house (between Edd and Rolf), Rolf, Jonny, and Nazz. All of these are in their correct order, spacing, and even color design. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 12 2010, 02:59 AM Post #315 |
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True.
Okay, then. So that means this episode is almost completely non-canon, right?
Well, true, but kids like to roam off to new places instead of just visit the same old boring playground over and over again. XD So it could be that there's ANOTHER playground also closeby, but maybe a bit farther out than the one in between the two cul-de-sacs.
Hmm… well, I see what you mean, but it just doesn't seem right! XP Oh well, I probably should have taken another shot about two seconds after that frame, where we see the camera turn gradually to the other part of the cul-de-sac. If you watch the episode, you might see what I mean by it looking a bit strange. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 12 2010, 03:57 AM Post #316 |
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Well, I don't think there was anything too ridiculous outside of the lane/playground bits, but yeah, maps in these "running around" episodes are usually pretty non-canon. XP
I never left my street when I was a kid, so the Eds are already more adventurous than I ever was just by going to a playground on the next street. XD Ehhh, I really don't think it's likely, the Eds get all their needs out of their playground and even when there's an inconsistency, there's always familiar locations right in sight.
It looks perfectly normal to me, it's just kind of a fish-eye lense effect, except it only changes pespective at the side. I think they do the same thing in the shot of Edd looking out his door in 'The Ed-Touchables'. I know I've had to use that effect on the Kankers' living room in my movie a few times to change perspective during a pan without having to animate the background's change in perspective. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 12 2010, 02:27 PM Post #317 |
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Yeah, but most kids are very adventurous. Still, you're probably right, it's more logical that the kids would reuse the one playground next to the cul-de-sac.
That's probably right. I watched 'Gimme Gimme Never Ed' this morning, and I found some VERY fascinating frames. I took about a half a dozen screenshots and I'd like to get your comments on these things that I've pointed out… I know you've mentioned before that the lane increases in size whenever there's an event/scam that takes place in it, but in this shot, it looks SURPRISINGLY wide. XD Posted Image These shots are probably the most FASCINATING out of all I took, I think. We get to see the cul-de-sac and the surrounding area again, and look in the background of this first shot. See those smokestacks? That's one of the factories, I guess. And we get to see the electrical towers, the creek (which looks surprisingly small), the cul-de-sac, and the edge of the woods. Posted Image Here, you can see the construction site with the woods, creek, and trailer park. Posted Image Here, you see the construction site right next to the creek in nice detail. It appears on both sides of the creek there are bands of grass. Posted Image And last, there are these two shots, which are quite confusing: Posted Image See the cul-de-sac down there in this shot? Strange! There don't appear to be houses anywhere, and there are bushes lining the road. It also appears the place is covered with snow, and there's some strange yellow circular object too. Is this a different cul-de-sac, or something? I'm puzzled by this. XP And lastly, there's this shot, which is another view of this mysterious cul-de-sac back there. This one is a bit more blurry, but you can also see past the cul-de-sac, and there appears to be a river of some sorts way back there. Posted Image Any comments on these shots? |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 12 2010, 05:04 PM Post #318 |
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Haha, yeah, it looks pretty ridiculous there. XD Although that's probably the size it should be if it really is used for trash collection. Even then, this is pretty crazy.
That's the Gag Factory, because that's where it always is in these kinds of shots. : D You can also kinda see one of the junkyards, but it's not colored differently than the rest of the land, so it just looks like squiggles behind the cul-de-sac's woods. But yes, I noticed back when I made my first map that this episode's really good for overhead shots. There's a lot of really good detail in all these shots, and I wish someone could upload the episode to Youtube in high quality (or better yet, go to AKA and steal the original backgrounds! 8D ).
Well, the creek's in a non-canon placement here, so it's hard to say what's an official detail about it in this shot. The creek should be going toward the center of the construction site's cul-de-sac, not running alongside this cul-de-sac (and apparently going into the woods below PCE/across from the playground).
The Eds are in the junkyard in this shot, but have used all the junk to build this rollercoaster. XD The cul-de-sac with green around it is Rethink Ave., the green being the grass in their yards. I think in the high quality version that airs on TV, you can see little boxes in each yard, which represent the houses from overhead. You can even see in your screenshot that there are blurry details in these yards. It's possible that houses weren't drawn, though, for reasons similar to why houses weren't really visible in cul-de-sacs from overhead in 'Run Ed Run'. It's hard to make something look like a house from that far away. The rest of the place isn't covered in snow, it's just all light-purple dirt like it was in the shot of Plank flying over the area. This "dirtland" is not canon as far as I'm concerned. They show it that way in the movie as well, but I think canonly, the grass stops being torn up once you get past the construction site, that way there's grassy fields around the creek and junkyards. I think the yellow circular object is the woods behind Edd's house or something, but in the low quality, it's been concentrated to look like a circle. Anyway, you know this is the cul-de-sac, because you can see the construction site cul-de-sac and the playground to the left of it, and the creek in these shots appears to be staying consistent with the episode's non-canon claim that it goes off to the side of the construction site, where it would somewhere lead to a waterfall. This shot also suggests that the creek has a branch that goes into the woods behind Edd's house, meaning that the cul-de-sac would be pretty much completely surrounded by this creek. You can also see a board or a bridge across it in this previously unspecified area... The second shot makes it seem like the creek is back to its normal route, though, and it's made the yellow and green woods behind Edd smaller than they were in the previous shot. And the purple blob behind these yellow and green woods running behind Edd's house is the gigantic purple woods that borders both sides of the Eds' neighborhood.
That's not a river, that's a greenish/blue silhouette made up of the land in the distance: all the streets across from the cul-de-sac. To help you see what I've described, I'll outline what I'm talking about so it's more clear: Posted Image Posted Image And on a side note, 'Key To My Ed' was on TV last Wednesday and I was shocked to see that Nazz's bedroom made another appearance! =D Posted Image |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 13 2010, 02:00 AM Post #319 |
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Indeed! What's most interesting about the particular aforementioned overhead shot is that we get to see pretty much everything in the cul-de-sac area! The houses, the junkyard(s), the woods, the creek, the factory, the construction site, perhaps a tiny clip of the trailer park toward the right there, and the electrical towers. It's great to see shots like that – The more we get to see the better. XD As for seeing it in high quality, I think CARTOON NETWORK NEEDS TO RELEASE SEASONS 3 - 5 TO DVD. D:<
Oh, wow. True. And the creek should also be a bit wider than this, I think. And also, we usually see trees on BOTH sides of the creek. So, yeah, it's easy to believe why you classify this view of the creek as non-canon.
True. And again, most people aren't going to pay attention to something distant in the background like that, so I guess they didn't feel it was necessary to detail the cul-de-sac. But I suppose it is Rethink Ave., it's just not as detailed as I wanted it to be! XP
True. That's what threw me off. I mean, the grass of the cul-de-sac house's yards really stands out with the dirt-covered area, and in most episodes, the difference is subtle. So this is another non-canon thing, I suppose.
Wow, I see. But as for the yellow, I don't recall any yellow woods behind Edd's house before. It's usually purple or green. Right?
Ah, okay. Too bad we don't see more of what's back there. XP
*looks at shots with outlines* Wow, thanks!! It DOES make it more clear. :D But otherwise, without these nice outlines, it would be very hard to tell. And too bad there's no higher quality shot yet. :/
You're right. Interesting, though we don't see anything new than what we've picked up from other shots. Still, it's fascinating to see it again. =O |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 14 2010, 01:25 AM Post #320 |
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More importantly: in the U.S./UK (and preferrably with special features)! Because I'm sure you know about the official seasons 3-5 DVDs that were released without special features or new cover art in... Thailand, I think. D:
Hmmm... maybe! It seems like its normal size when close up, it may just be thinner from overhead because of the distance. And at this point in the creek there shouldn't be any trees at all because it should be in the middle of the construction site. XD
Yeah, the dirt should end at the construction site, but in episodes like this, Mission Ed-Possible, and the movie, they don't bother to change the color to be grassy in the field, so it just looks like everything's purple back there.
Trees always change color in EEnE, but what are apparently yellow woods here are in the same place that Edd's woods should be, so I'm left to assume that this is just an inconsistent drawing of them.
Thank you! I tried my best. XD Yeah, hopefully someone will upload a high quality version someday...
The only new thing about this is confirmation that the bed is in fact the same room as the TV/chair/window. And we also get to see that there's a mirror on the wall behind the TV. And this is also the only time we get to see the daytime colors of her bedroom, so that's pretty neat. And it looks like her mirror has little sticks of a cat and a horse, because that horse picture is not drawn as if it is a reflection of the one on her wall (it would have blue outliines if it was) and there's no cat picture under the horse picture on her wall. |
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