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| Mapping Out: Peach Creek As A Whole; It's no longer about the school anymore | |
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| Kirkland22 | Jun 30 2010, 09:39 PM Post #281 |
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Ah, I see now.
Yeah, it looks very empty. And again, no one but us is going to pay attention to that, so it's not very important for the artists. XD You know, it seems like the playground is a lot smaller in these shots too.
True, it's not very descriptive otherwise. XD
I don't have anything to add to this, I pretty much agree with your theories. But that gorge near Rolf's mushroom field was interesting... to me it looked exactly like that gorge we see in 'The Good the Bad and the Ed' when Eddy and Rolf are performing the Tour of Tears. Could it be the same gorge? |
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| AnimatEd | Jun 30 2010, 10:04 PM Post #282 |
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They were on a mountain in 'The Good The Bad and the Ed', it was high above the cul-de-sac. The space on that mountain is also very wide. The gorge near the mushrooms is very small/tight and is either on a lower level than the cul-de-sac (since this is below the cliff somewhere) or the ground evened out to the same level as the cul-de-sac so that only the area behind that hearse-house has a cliff. And when they went down into the gorge to follow the path, they'd be going even FURTHER below the cul-de-sac's ground level. Unless you're referring to the wall of boulders behind Rolf? From what I remember, that wouldn't really have any ledges or flat surfaces for them to run train tracks through... I guess that area with the balancing rock in BHH could've been related to the Tour of Tears area, but I think it all just adds up better for that to be on one of the mountains in 'Cool Hand Ed'. It fits in better with how we see the houses in the distance. Edit: Watching 'The Good The Bad and the Ed' again and Nazz's room makes a brief appearance (you can only tell because of the wallpaper though, you don't see any furnishings aside from the window), when the Rangers wash her window! According to that episode, Nazz's room is on the left side of her house, and the Eds were watching her through the top window on the left side of her house. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 1 2010, 02:06 AM Post #283 |
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Ah, okay, you're probably right. I just kinda noticed a resemblance between the two, but I suppose the 'The Good the Bad and the Ed' thing we see is a mountain. So, is the creek beneath this BHH gorge? If so, that must mean the woods the Eds travel in probably are the woods behind the trailer park.
That's right! Can you get me a screenshot of the frame we see inside her window? I'd kinda like to see it. :) That episode is very interesting, it's one of my favorites. I'm going to watch it again soon and see what else I can find. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 1 2010, 04:48 AM Post #284 |
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Posted Image Y'know I'm talking about this tight little drop the Eds climbs out of before they find Rolf, right? I'm calling it a gorge because I don't know another word for such a tiny cliff. It's separate from the rockwall/creek area Rolf was in: Posted Image I get the feeling you're thinking about this cliff: Posted Image And just cuz I like it, here's that weird rock-balancing area. I don't know what to describe those brown/green background rocks as, but those may be them in the distance of my "gorge" screenshot... Posted Image
Well, it looks about the same as its other 3 appearances, except even less interesting because we see even less of what's inside it. XD I guess the digital colors make this a better color reference for it, though, should anyone want to draw it someday: Posted Image |
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| RTCombo | Jul 1 2010, 12:32 PM Post #285 |
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I thought that you were trying to avoid the BHH route AnimatED, ;D. Looking at those screenshots, could the drop (or giant crack the Eds pull out of before meeting Rolf) be connected to the drop that has a bridge over it in another shot? |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 1 2010, 06:31 PM Post #286 |
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We're out of stuff to map so I found myself interested in BHH. XD The wooden bridge is over a creek, not a drop, so I think the crevice closes off before it reaches that creek, or maybe that creek could turn into a tiny waterfall... The crevice seems like a pretty unrealistic area, though, I wouldn't really connect it to any of the more believable locations in the special/series. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 2 2010, 01:51 AM Post #287 |
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Hmm… well, I can't think a better term for this, I'd just say "small cliff". But a gorge is similar to a canyon, and that's for sure not really a canyon.
Yes, I was.
Hmm… I dunno. I think the green parts are supposed to be trees, and the brown colored things are rocks. But they didn't outline these "trees" so it makes me think it's one whole thing, like a greenish-brown rock. :shrug
True, we don't see a whole lot. :/ Oh well, it's still another instance where we see Nazz's room, I guess.
That's interesting… Where does that creek lead to? Is it the same creek as the one near the cul-de-sac? If not, it must at least be a tributary of that creek. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 2 2010, 03:24 AM Post #288 |
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I'm only calling it such because a gorge/canyon would be, like, an area of lower altitude between two cliffs, right? Since it's essentially 2 cliffs, I think it fits as a gorge... I'm also considering that it could be a fault line? I don't know how wide those can get, but maybe if the two cliffs form a V-shape the deeper you get it'd be more believable...
I dunno, I think I almost thought of them as looking similar to some of the silhouette trees once, but looking at them now, they're not nearly triangular enough. There are flat, high spaces between each pointed rise, and the point on the right side is pretty rectangular, like a rock. The artist also outlined the shading on it, suggesting that it's made of rock.
This is a different creek. It's got too much new stuff around it for to be the cul-de-sac creek and according to Bro's map, the wooden bridge is a permanent fixture of this creek. In my first map 4-5 years ago, I tried to connect this creek to the swimming hole/frog pond, to explain why there's no sign of those areas on the normal creek, but I basically had to make things up and the cow pasture didn't exist yet so I kinda just had to assume the field-fences had no purpose. But you know, I'm thinking.. there IS a way that the Eds wouldn't have to cross over this creek again in order to follow those woods on the other side back to the cul-de-sac... When they crossed over that swamp, THAT could've put them away from the cul-de-sac, so when they crossed this creek, they were back on the side they started on and were pointed at the cul-de-sac! This creek could lead to the BHH swamp (which I'll reiterate is NOT the BPS swamp). |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 2 2010, 01:44 PM Post #289 |
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My California vacation has been canceled for various reasons. :/ Oh well, that'll give me more time here.
True, true. The fault line theory is interesting… that would mean Peach Creek is in some place where earthquakes are common, or occasional.
Hmm… Or maybe it's some type of algae or moss growing on top of the rock? I mean, usually algae and moss grow in moist and wet areas, but it's still a possibility.
Okay, I see. I still think they're connected somehow, though, because this creek doesn't seem too far away from the cul-de-sac creek, so it must at least connect to it.
Good point. I guess the Eds were just focused on following what the map said, and I doubt they'd have noticed that the swamp would have led them back to the cul-de-sac. XD |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 2 2010, 06:46 PM Post #290 |
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I'm sorry to hear that! Hope you can get that rescheduled or something, I know I wouldn't wanna miss out on California. xP
When I brought that up, I wanted to say that there were earthquakes in 'Run For Your Ed' and BPS, but those were both caused be characters... Still, I guess if characters can cause earthquakes at will, PC could eventually develop a fault line. XD
It's possible, but I think they always outline the dark areas on rocks with lighter-colored lines, it helps make it look like a rock (although clearly it didn't work out this time because we're having trouble deciding what the heck's going on in that image XD ).
Well, there'd have to be streets between them, since this would have to be, like, behind school's street somewhere. It could be connected underground like we've said for a lot of other creeks we've discussed, but I dunno how committed PC would be to diverting a single creek all throughout town. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 2 2010, 11:09 PM Post #291 |
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It happens. If we do go at all, it appears the vacation will be shortened.
Haha, yeah, but there don't seem to be any natural earthquakes, so perhaps the fault line theory isn't as probable as you'd otherwise think.
Hehe, I'm still going back to my tree theory now. I don't understand how a rock could be green unless trees were covering it, or moss/algae was growing over it. XD
Well, if this creek doesn't connect to the cul-de-sac creek, it probably still connects to the larger body of water that the cul-de-sac creek also connects to. While I was looking for a frame to screenshot of Ed's Sea Ranch for the EEnE Wiki, I came across this interesting frame: Posted Image See that fence back there? What does it close off, the cow pasture or something? It's right next to the creek, and in that one frame from 'Hot Buttered Ed' that I posted earlier in the thread, we see a similar fence closing off private property next to the creek. What are your theories? |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 2 2010, 11:51 PM Post #292 |
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You can tell from the details that it's not trees. Rocks can be many shades of colors, so it's not a problem that this has green on it, but even so it's a very brown green. You can see a similar shade of brown/green on the bottom of the balancing rock.
Hmm... What if the cul-de-sac creek is taken underground to the BHH cliff, creating the waterfall from 'Gimme Gimme Never Ed' so that could still be at the end of the creek, just not as close to the construction site as that ep would have you think. And then the water at the bottom of that waterfall would lead to the BHH swamp, connecting it to the wooden bridge creek. And this swamp could also be the area with those cattail plants where the Eds washed up from the waterfall in 'Gimme Gimme Never Ed'.
Yes, that's one of the episodes that shows the cow pasture fence next to the creek. I always forget that it's in 'Scrambled Ed', though, and usually just cite 'Avast Ye Eds' and 'Hot Buttered Ed'. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 3 2010, 11:57 AM Post #293 |
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Hmm… That's an interesting theory. But I think you did say earlier in the thread that the 'Gimme Gimme Never Ed' waterfall isn't canon. But with this theory, it seems canon to me.
What about at the end of 'Ed or Tails'? It's set right next to the creek when the Eds are looking for the lost jawbreaker, and I don't know, but I think I recall seeing another fence opposite the side where the regular fence goes parallel with the creek. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 3 2010, 08:54 PM Post #294 |
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Yeah, I don't normally think that's canon, but if I can find a way to make more of these interesting locations make sense, then I'm interested. XD
I only remember the cul-de-sac fence and the woods being there in 'Ed or Tails'. I think the Eds walked into the woods a little after they gave up on the search, and I don't think this fence has ever been visible while the Eds were on that piece of land. Also, I don't think the cow pasture, even when it was just that fence, has ever been that close to the cul-de-sac, it's usually when the Eds are far enough down the creek for it to be unclear where they are and how far the creek runs. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 4 2010, 12:46 AM Post #295 |
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Indeed. XD What about the BPS waterfall? Could the BHH creek connect to this waterfall the same way you suggested the cul-de-sac creek did with the 'GGNE' waterfall?
I see. It's kinda hard for me to know exactly where the cow pasture is located in the episodes. XP So, it's along the creek somewhere away from the cul-de-sac, right? So this means that whenever we see the creek without the cul-de-sac nearby, then we should also see the fence to the cow pasture (assuming that the episode we're watching is considered canon XD). How about in 'Avast Ye Eds'. I think I recall seeing a fence on one side of the creek when Eddy was saying "Land over there, and land over there". I could be wrong, though. Posted Image Second edit: Whoops, I just realized you posted this already earlier in the thread. =O |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 4 2010, 02:29 AM Post #296 |
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I DO think that the BPS stream has two branches, one that goes to the BPS swamp and one that would be far enough from the creek to be heading toward where I theorize the BHH creek is, so this COULD all connect. That'd be interesting, because then all the creeks, swamps, and waterfalls are connected and I think it's a crazy coincidence that one waterfall would lead to another, let alone have TWO swamps along the way. XD However, the waterways would have to be really long for that, and I'm getting kinda tired of excusing every creek connection with underground pipes, so maybe the roads in that area could just be built over this stream like that one road seen from overhead in 'Run, Ed, Run.
The cow pasture is just somewhere in the field, possibly with a road right before it, to make sense with the school's neighborhood (this road could be in the same sublevel of canon as the water tower, although it's made a lot more appearances). I'm guessing there's a road a little bit behind the junkyard, allowing there to be some room for the unowned fields the Eds often play in. Then after the road, there's a bit more field area to be the grass where the Eds were walking before reaching the cow pasture's gate, and then the rest of the field is filled with farmland (cow pasture, peach orchard, crop grids, barns, ranches, silos, sunflowers) until you reach the Lemon Brook Gag Factory. I guess all this farm stuff would also be in the sublevel of canon, because they only really appear in the movie, but since they make PC more realistic and fleshed out (just like the watertower), they are acceptable. More specific to your question, I guess the creek runs along the cow pasture for a while, and somewhere near the peach orchard the creek also forms the swimming hole. You don't always see this stuff because it's not the way the town is usually drawn and/or because it's far down the creek. It IS in 'Avast Ye Eds', I mentioned before. The background loops in that episode so I don't know if it comes up more than once, but you can definitely see it when the Eds are huddled in fear on the corner of the Kankers' "boat."
I actually mentioned that on page 13:
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 4 2010, 02:56 AM Post #297 |
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Right. When waterways are close by, they're usually in some way connected to each other, so it does make sense that all the creeks, swamps, and waterfalls do connect at certain points. So, let me ask you this - Have you decided that maybe the 'GGNE' waterfall is indeed canon after all?
Well said. But you're saying that there could be a road behind the junkyard…? Well, I think if there was we'd see it somewhere in the show, and I don't think we do. That said, it is likely that there's some road to the side of the junkyard, which might be what we see in 'Quick Shot Ed' with that garbage truck.
Okay, thanks for the answer. The cow pasture is very large, as we see in the BPS, so it certainly extends a long way next to the creek if that is really where it's located.
Right, right. And what I really like about the edge of the cow pasture is that the fence stays almost exactly the same every time it's seen. It's a wooden fence with the same appearance each time we see it, I think.
Yes you did, and I caught it just before you posted your post. XD I edited my post about 14 minutes before you posted so you probably did not see that I had caught it since you were still typing out your post then, but yeah, I really ought to pay more attention. EPIC FAIL ON MY PART. |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 4 2010, 03:29 AM Post #298 |
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It's really hard to say... This idea works, but it's nowhere near where the waterfall was in its actual episode, so it'd probably be better left out... But if anyone else thinks it makes sense to merge it with the BHH locations, then the less things that are non-canon the better, I suppose! I mean, the same way the Eds would've had to travel across (underground in the pipes?) streets in order to get to a waterfall at the BHH cliff, the Eds would've had to cross under a street everytime they've been on the cul-de-sac creek because of where streets are placed around the school (which I end up explaining below).
Which is why I'm saying this road would have to be in the sublevel of canon, because it only exists when we see the school. The school is presumably on the street to the right of the junkyard, and there's a T-intersection past the school which would then need to cut behind the cul-de-sac. This intersection is where the Deli, Fire Dept., and peach orchard were, and where the Run Ed Run bus would have to turn in order to get to the other side of the cul-de-sac and head down to the candy store street. It is also the street the kids walked home on in 'Pick an Ed'.
Indeed, the only difference is that in the movie it's made entirely out of wood, but in the show it's usually looks more like wood poles connected by wire. I don't mind the difference though, it makes sense that it'd change a little when seen in full detail.
Oh, haha, no I didn't see the edit you made! XD Oh well.. |
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| Kirkland22 | Jul 5 2010, 03:04 AM Post #299 |
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Happy 4th of July!! :D
Ah, I see now.
Huh, but it seems odd for a school to be located so close to a junkyard. And if there was a street on one of the sides of the junkyard, it'd have to be pretty far away from the junkyard itself, considering that most times we see it, it looks pretty bland.
True. And it's hardly noticeable for most viewers anyway. I doubt anyone but us is going to single out the fences in the episodes and compare them each time they're seen. XD Hmm… I never paid attention to this, but how far apart are each of the vertical wooden planks that support the fence? Does it change in some episodes? |
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| AnimatEd | Jul 5 2010, 05:09 AM Post #300 |
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Yes, happy 4th! :D
It seems odd to place 2 dumps right behind an expensive development too, though. XD And yeah, I'm imagining that this street would be on the other side of the giant purple trees on the right side of the junkyard on the official map, which would also be the woods we often see across from the school.
You mean on the cow pasture fence, right? I'm not sure how to measure it since we always see it from different distances/angles in the show, but I think the movie made it seem like the distance between each vertical pole is about the same width as the opening to the gate. Rolf's farm has a similar fence, which I guess I resembles the fencing for most horse stables. Rolf's fence bothers me, actually. XD Sometimes he has the same kind of yellow fence as almost everyone else, sometimes it's only yellow on the side and stable-style in the back (which is why it's easier for the Eds/kids to get into Rolf's yard from the lane in some episodes than it is in others), sometimes it's a yellow back fence with the stable-style on the sides, and sometimes it's stable all around. And in the movie, he has a yellow fence the same size as everyone else's backyards, but a smaller stable-style fenced off section that contains the farm. |
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