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I don't think this is something men - except husbands??!! - are fully cognizant of.

Herb,Nov 20 2007

04:24 PM

I do think that maybe it is a kind of physiological thing to be using them in combat in Iraq. Considering the way that feel about women, can you imagine the damage to their moral when they get their axse kicked by a woman????!!!! How much you want to bet the guy that is killed by a woman doesn't get his 70 (or is it 72, I can't keep track of their myths) virgins?

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

Herb,Nov 21 2007

04:43 PM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

Note that it was about the FIRST 25 in the Iraqi army. Note that it didn't happen until 9/04. Had it ever happened before, NO. What did it take to get them the privilege to do this? How about the US overthrow of the repressive regime? How about the example that the women in the US forces set for the Iraqis?

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

nuzzlebunny,Nov 22 2007

11:46 AM

Herb,Nov 21 2007

04:43 PM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

Note that it was about the FIRST 25 in the Iraqi army. Note that it didn't happen until 9/04. Had it ever happened before, NO. What did it take to get them the privilege to do this? How about the US overthrow of the repressive regime? How about the example that the women in the US forces set for the Iraqis?

I think having females in combat is great, as the US is finally practicing what it preaches in terms of gender equality in having them there. Leading by example is the best way to lead.

As far as the former regime goes, women were utilized in other ways....

From World Net Daily....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19100

nuzzlebunny,Nov 22 2007

11:46 AM

Herb,Nov 21 2007

04:43 PM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

Note that it was about the FIRST 25 in the Iraqi army. Note that it didn't happen until 9/04. Had it ever happened before, NO. What did it take to get them the privilege to do this? How about the US overthrow of the repressive regime? How about the example that the women in the US forces set for the Iraqis?

I think having females in combat is great, as the US is finally practicing what it preaches in terms of gender equality in having them there. Leading by example is the best way to lead.

As far as the former regime goes, women were utilized in other ways....

From World Net Daily....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19100

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*** the US is finally practicing what it preaches in terms of gender equality in having them there.

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 27 2007

11:40 AM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

When military are out doing the job they do (not in a staged event) and they interact with the common man and his family there is a very deep social status and family oneness that CAN'T be broken. Even just talking to a woman in public is nothing but TROUBLE! It's hard to do some jobs like checking the body for weapons at a check point as one example. What happens on the ground is different then what is reported and I think that is enough said about that!

We really HURT ourselves by breaking their social taboos and men talking to or looking at, Their woman is a TABOO!

Toothless Dawg,Nov 27 2007

02:02 PM

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*** the US is finally practicing what it preaches in terms of gender equality in having them there.

Legislating something into law does not make it so. This political correct bull$hit is bringing America to her knees. We need politicians with backbone to stand up to the N.O.W. lezzies and special interest groups and tell them this ain't done in this country because it is harmful to this nation.

I've worked with and for women in my 42 year career and my unit chief now is a woman, as a matter of fact. Two of these women are counted among the best supervisors I have had the pleasure to work for. My unit chief flew choppers for the navy and was a federal prosecutor ... a very intelligent and talented woman. Others rank among the worst bosses in my career but they are ranked alongside males too.

Women instinctively excel in some areas where men don't stand a chance and vice versa. Legislating equality is stupid. Trying to create equality in all things is stupid. Trying to legislate equality on the battlefield is not only stupid but gets people killed.

Besides I don't want anything to do with a woman who doesn't know how to be a lady and I durn sure don't want to have to arm wrestle a woman over a cold beer to get her to wanna pal around.

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American Soldiers

Major Mary Prophit led a Civil Affairs team of four that was attached to the Deuce Four in Mosul; she wrote detailed letters home describing events on the ground.

On 18 December, 2004, she wrote:

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This evening I went to the ING [Iraqi National Guard] compound – mainly to coordinate another shopping trip to Dahuk – I am trying to buy heaters and blankets for the poor people with no heat. As always when visiting with Iraqis, there is an art to the conversation – you must “make small talk” — it is expected and polite to converse about little things before getting down to business – our conversations will usually flow from insignificant things, to business and back again. Tonight was no exception. I was able to make more plans to work with the ING to help the Iraqi people – we will help the ING get kerosene to their compound, and then they will share the kerosene with me so I can distribute it to the schools and some poor people.

Anyhow, at one point after being there about an hour and a half, LTC Amar asks if we mind if he asks some questions. He first asked about some of our leaders, mentioning Condoleezza Rice – he asked if in America there is prejudice against African Americans. We said that it is against the law to be prejudiced, however unfortunately there are still some people who feel that way. Then he asked a question that almost brought me to tears. He asked us, “Your freedom, the freedom that you have in America, can you feel it? – is it something you can feel inside of you?” I immediately answered “Yes, I feel it very strongly.”........continued

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They had just finished delivering the OIC goods and were driving out to deliver the heaters to other schools when— BOOM!— a bomb ripped through an Iraqi Army truck that was stuffed with about ten men. The truck kept moving, blowing men out and scattering them up and down the road. Four were killed. According to Captain Matt McGrew, who led the ING training, another four were seriously injured. One man lost both hands, one lost a leg and a hand, and another had serious head trauma and lost an eye. In addition to the shrapnel wounds, all had burns, from an attack that was just starting.

The cracks and snaps from small arms fire was coming at the American and Iraqi soldiers. Meanwhile, Recon Platoon and the Commander responded immediately to reinforce. They arrived at the gruesome scene and sporadic firefight, which the CBS and NBC crews were able to record for posterity. Meanwhile, the heaped and tumbled bodies of Iraqi National Guardsmen lay bleeding on the road, while others roasted in the burning truck.

Lt. Col. Kurilla, Deuce Four’s Commander, said later, “Mary performed incredibly under fire and saved Iraqi soldiers’ lives. She did an incredible job of pulling wounded Iraqi soldiers to safety and treating them. Sadly, one of my favorite Iraqi soldiers was killed; we called him Old Blue. He was a Kurdish Peshmerga and had been fighting for more than forty years. Hard as woodpecker lips. I think he was about 55 years old and had 13 children. There was almost nothing left of him.”

The Commander continued, “Mary immediately took charge of the ‘inner circle,’ while First Platoon B Company under Lt. Jaskolski and SSgt. Lundak fought the enemy along with Recon platoon.” Mary dragged at least two Iraqi Army soldiers to safety—under fire—seconds before the ammunition carried in the truck exploded. Mary’s voice can be heard on the video directing American soldiers to get the Iraqi wounded away from the truck. Bullets were flying and rounds were starting to cook off in the fire as she calmly insisted, “this truck’s gonna blow; we need to get the hell out of here.” Moments later, the ammo created the second explosion.

I’d heard other stories about Mary Prophit from soldiers, all of whom held her in highest regard. Mary’s physical courage wasn’t obvious to me when I first met her: she was always disarmingly pleasant and professional whenever we talked. Much later I found out that Mary is a reservist, and her “real job” is Community Library Assistant at Timberland Mountain View Library in Randle, Washington.

In the following weeks and months, Mary and her crew kept rolling out of the gates into the line of fire. While I was in Iraq, it was strange to watch the vigorous debates at home about whether or not women should be allowed in combat. I would think, “don’t they know that our women are in combat here every day?” Major Prophit got into so many firefights that some soldiers dubbed her “the bullet magnet,” while others referred to her as “Major Contact.”

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So do you think things would have been smoother in Iraq without the presence of our female troops to deal with situations involving Iraqi women?

gobblerblaster,Nov 27 2007

03:19 PM

  I worked as a hand on a Oil Drilling Rig for 12 years and in my time there I saw a few Women try to handle this very hard labor situation very few where physically able to do this job and the ones that where I sure wouldn't consider ladies......... I know I know, I really stepped in it this time

On second thought, if you could form a battalion of nothing but women with PMS, I think we could take over the better part of the world

I agree with you guys about women in combat, but if you want to talk about hard labor then that's a job only a woman can do!

gobblerblaster,Nov 27 2007

04:19 PM

On second thought, if you could form a battalion of nothing but women with PMS, I think we could take over the better part of the world

gobblerblaster,Nov 27 2007

04:19 PM

Well you'll have to excuse me. I say in general, no to women in combat. I know that there are women that have made good soldiers but, I sure wouldn't want either one of my two daughters having to bear this burden that is traditionally "men's work" . Support roles are fine but, as far as women grunts, no way no how. Emotionally we are not equal and in most cases physically we are not equal and I have seen and heard of enough men that came back as basket cases when put under extreme combat conditions, I can just imagine what this will do to the women that are now serving in these units. I know I will be branded a Chauvinist now but, thats OK. I believe GOD made women to be ladies and men to be well ,men. I worked as a hand on a Oil Drilling Rig for 12 years and in my time there I saw a few Women try to handle this very hard labor situation very few where physically able to do this job and the ones that where I sure wouldn't consider ladies......... I know I know, I really stepped in it this time

On second thought, if you could form a battalion of nothing but women with PMS, I think we could take over the better part of the world

Toothless Dawg,Nov 27 2007

05:26 PM

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So do you think things would have been smoother in Iraq without the presence of our female troops to deal with situations involving Iraqi women?

It is far too easy to monday morning quarterback and far too many people do just that. There is no way to say one way or another. What I said was that I knew of many efficient, intelligient, women leaders over the years. I have also known more sorry losers. The same goes for men.

I said that legislating so-called equality does not make it so and that it is stupid to equate military service with equality. I believe that most women are strong enough and intelligient enough to know how to be women and ladies ... a sorry few are not. That sorry few believe they have to serve in war zones, make love on top, play on men's sports teams and belong to the boy scouts.

While women have a long history in war zones (ask any vet who was cared for by a beautiful nurse), I don't believe women should be assigned to units with combat missions. I don't believe women should be firefighters nor should weak men. I don't believe women should be street cops although I know many of them who are just that with one agency or another. I don't believe women should have separate set of requirements to qualify for any job.

Tha's my beliefs and I don't care who doesn't like them ... they are mine!!!

That said, I will not discriminate against any male or female soldier, sailor, airman, marine, coast guard because they are serving our country. I will treat each female law enforcement office with respect due her uniform. I will respect each female that climbs a ladder and barges into a burning building. I will respect ALL women (except mOOnbats, liberals, commies, socialist, anti-american pigs) because they deserve that respect not because they are women, but because I am a gentleman. The mOOnbat, commie, socialist pigs I will NOT respect because I am an American gentleman.

Dawg out ...

legitlinda,Nov 27 2007

05:52 PM

gobblerblaster,Nov 27 2007

03:19 PM

  I worked as a hand on a Oil Drilling Rig for 12 years and in my time there I saw a few Women try to handle this very hard labor situation very few where physically able to do this job and the ones that where I sure wouldn't consider ladies......... I know I know, I really stepped in it this time

On second thought, if you could form a battalion of nothing but women with PMS, I think we could take over the better part of the world

I agree with you guys about women in combat, but if you want to talk about hard labor then that's a job only a woman can do!

gobblerblaster,Nov 27 2007

04:19 PM

Well you'll have to excuse me. I say in general, no to women in combat. I know that there are women that have made good soldiers but, I sure wouldn't want either one of my two daughters having to bear this burden that is traditionally "men's work" . Support roles are fine but, as far as women grunts, no way no how. Emotionally we are not equal and in most cases physically we are not equal and I have seen and heard of enough men that came back as basket cases when put under extreme combat conditions, I can just imagine what this will do to the women that are now serving in these units. I know I will be branded a Chauvinist  now but, thats OK. I believe GOD made women to be ladies and men to be  well ,men. I worked as a hand on a Oil Drilling Rig for 12 years and in my time there I saw a few Women try to handle this very hard labor situation very few where physically able to do this job and the ones that where I sure wouldn't consider ladies......... I know I know, I really stepped in it this time

On second thought, if you could form a battalion of nothing but women with PMS, I think we could take over the better part of the world

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 27 2007

11:54 AM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 22 2007

11:46 AM

Herb,Nov 21 2007

04:43 PM

nuzzlebunny,Nov 21 2007

01:38 PM

greatwhiteelkhunter,Nov 21 2007

01:31 AM

Well I have alot of options about this and in the past they were all BAD!  It's not that way any longer for alot of reasons I'll not go into.

Bottom line here is this.  Challenging at times? YES, work? yes, are they doing a good job? yes, and on top of all this they have a unique status in Iraq and we NEED them in Iraq if were going to get to where we need to in the end.  A man ANY man dealing with the Iraqi woman is NOTHING but trouble.  We need these females to do the jobs they are doing.

He(( look at the expression of the kid in the picture.  He looks like that because woman there wold NEVER be in that role EVER!  Might as well be looking at a 3 headed dragon as far as he is concerned!

They do a good job

Never? From 2004.....

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sep2004/a093004a.html

Note that it was about the FIRST 25 in the Iraqi army. Note that it didn't happen until 9/04. Had it ever happened before, NO. What did it take to get them the privilege to do this? How about the US overthrow of the repressive regime? How about the example that the women in the US forces set for the Iraqis?

I think having females in combat is great, as the US is finally practicing what it preaches in terms of gender equality in having them there. Leading by example is the best way to lead.

As far as the former regime goes, women were utilized in other ways....

From World Net Daily....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19100

BTW I finally got the article to open. You know what is says to me???

That idiot can do anything he wanted to do even break their laws to accomplish the death of others NOTHING was beyond his power even breaking their laws, using woman and abusing his people as long as it accomplished his goal! self perseverance and wealth!

Culture Warrior,Nov 27 2007

11:13 PM