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| Rumsfeld flees France fearing arrest; Doh! Rummy's on the lam..... | |
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| bacterialalbatross | Oct 30 2007, 04:50 PM Post #41 |
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I'd have to see the evidence. If claims are true that he directly ordered rape as a means of interrogation, I can't back that behavior up. |
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| Duke | Oct 30 2007, 05:28 PM Post #42 |
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There is a typo in the post quoted "Has anyone on this website even wrote to you something like this " I don't like you"? I ask that because it has happened to me twice(thus far)," EVEN should be EVER, do answer that question for me, I have personal reasons for wanting to know. If in fact Donald Rumsfeld apprved knowingly rape, I DO NOT support him in that, but I do not think France is the one that should be leading the charge. In any case I think that people that want Rumsfeld taken to any court have their own personal agendas at heart, Duke |
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| 3006 | Oct 30 2007, 06:51 PM Post #43 |
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I'm sure this is just a media flash that has been started to down Republicans.In history there are things we don't know ,there are things we will never know and there are things we don't want to know.How could anything like this be covered up?If true some democrat like Reed would have it all over the world in a min. Duke no one has ever came out and said that to me on the site,but sometimes silence speaks louder than words. |
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| bacterialalbatross | Oct 30 2007, 06:59 PM Post #44 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/20/torture/ |
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| Culture Warrior | Oct 30 2007, 08:14 PM Post #45 |
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FAVRE SCARED????  ONLY ONE SCARED WERE THEM BRONCO BUMS   SCARED FAVRE MAY FIRE ONE OF HIS MISSILES AT EM AND KNOCK THEM ON THEIR KEESTER
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| Culture Warrior | Oct 30 2007, 09:33 PM Post #46 |
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HECK, I'D WANT TO FLEE FRANCE FOR GERMANY, TOO..... THE BEER'S MUCH BETTER THERE 
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| Ali | Oct 30 2007, 09:51 PM Post #47 |
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Anybody here watching another 'great debate' on the tv set tonight? I thought maybe my brain wasn't working, but went out on the porch for some fresh air ...and I'm just fine!! Those Dims need to learn how to answer a question!! As far as Obama holding his hand on his heart, I just have to guess that he's not going to 'fake' his love for this Country like the rest of them are!! |
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| Culture Warrior | Oct 30 2007, 10:11 PM Post #48 |
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Sorry Ali, Ranks about 999,999,999,999,999,999 behind watching Bill O. More on Mr. Osama, Barack: Osama Obama will not wear American Flag Pin  Osama Obama bashes troops  |
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| Ali | Oct 30 2007, 10:44 PM Post #49 |
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The debate came on here after O'Reilly! If you get a chance to watch it CW, Pete thought it was quite entertaining! As for me, I had to leave it alone. What some people can call 'entertainment', leaves me quite perplexed! |
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| greatwhiteelkhunter | Oct 30 2007, 11:04 PM Post #50 |
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! Debate? What debate????????? |
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| Almtnman | Oct 31 2007, 06:18 AM Post #51 |
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Ali, to me entertaining is sitting out on the front porch with a tall glass of iced tea watching the sun slowly set over the horizon.  To a liberal, entertainment is about trying to pull someone down to their level. <_< |
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| Herb | Oct 31 2007, 03:24 PM Post #52 |
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So now "degrading treatment" is torture? Who defines the terms. If we go by the enemy's standards, we can cut peoples heads off with chainsaws, hang the burned bodies from bridges, drag them through the towns behind cars, hold them for years as hostages, refuse to feed them, etc. I refuse to apologize for not giving a damn about them. |
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| legitlinda | Oct 31 2007, 03:31 PM Post #53 |
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Me too...my give a damn's busted! |
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| bacterialalbatross | Oct 31 2007, 03:56 PM Post #54 |
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Sorry. I was under the impression that Al Qaeda was the enemy, not the every day Iraqi, and especially not children..... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150163,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4339511.stm |
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| Herb | Oct 31 2007, 04:41 PM Post #55 |
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no one has EVER advocated deliberately harming the average iraqi or children. But then who was dancing in the streets when we got hit in 2001? Wasn't the pics I saw of the average iraqi and children??? troll |
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| bacterialalbatross | Oct 31 2007, 04:48 PM Post #56 |
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Whatever the children's behavior was in response to 9-11, I will never try to justify their rape and torture. It's the fact kids were in that prison that Rumsfeld is feeling heat, and those children, and their mothers, claim the kids were raped in front of them as a means of interrogation. |
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| Herb | Oct 31 2007, 04:57 PM Post #57 |
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This is lying BS and you know it! In the first place if the "kid" is old enough to try to kill people, it ain't a "kid" anymore. Second, NO ONE has ever advocated what you claim. Third, everyone knows it is a bunch of lying terrorist sympathizers saying this. The very idea that you would side with this lying bunch in degrading the US forces makes you a: lying, dickweed, troll |
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| greatwhiteelkhunter | Oct 31 2007, 05:01 PM Post #58 |
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BA I'm going to try and say this as best i can without getting emotionally charged. You have NO IDEA what it takes to keep a nation free or what it takes to protect a nation. You don't get involved in that you let others do it. THEN you talk crap and look down at those who are dong their job for your sake and how they do it. Some times laws are broken and some times it's just the perception of breaking laws but like others you want to convict all those who give you the ability to talk your smack without question because it helps your cause. I see right through you! I see you as the person you are and your not a person I would ever choose to be around or to allow my Marines to be around. I would be afraid that the left wing liberal infection you have might rub off on them and that is what i don't want to happen. Please make no mistake I'm not trying to poke you in the eye, I'm NOT trying to be mean or to say bad things about you. I'm only telling you that you have no clue what is means to be an American and you can not talk about things you don't know anything about. Your continual actions on this board only drive people farther and farther away from you and only makes the dislike for anti Americans even stronger in those of us who see the world not through some freaky glasses. Yes you are wearing glasses and your not seeing the world for what it really is. No i can't post link after link to convince you! YOU have to convince yourself of the good in this country and of it's leadership. NO i don't agree with everything the government does not by a LONG shot but I do support them and I WILL NOT bash my president for what the left wing media says is "true" I speak of what I have seen FIRST HAND! Things i KNOW to be truth because i was there! You were not there, you post about "stuff" you have no first hand knowledge of and pretend it true. I'm sorry you are NOT helping this country and your not helping your fellow Americans. your neighbors! your co workers, all those people your around are suffering because of your actions and of those like you. I sure wish that you had some happiness in your life. You don't seem to be able to just have fun and just relax and be around friends. We are NOT your enemy in fact you might learn something from all the great people on this board if you let your self but that's not the person i see. I will pray for you and hope that through the words of some of our fine young Americans and the others that some day you will see that your words are very damaging and hurt people, people you don't even know but they do. I pray that some day a person who is stronger then I am can take you by the hand and walk you through a field of truth for you to see! Only you will create a change. I am NOT trying to hurt your feelings, or bash you over the head but that is what I perceive you are doing to us is BASH us into submission. Not going to happen girl friend! It will not happen on MY WATCH! So at this point you kind of have a choice in my way of thinking. You can 1. became a little more receptive to what is the truth and be willing to say to your self "maybe they are right, or maybe I should listen a little" OR 2 you can just pack up and leave the board as your not going to change any minds here. Well there is a 3rd choice and that is talk about things OTHER then political stuff. You can do what you want, but there is alot of fine people here on this board your driving away. It's your choice and what ever you do I'll not hold it against you I'll simply accept your decision and keep going. IF there is anything i can do for you or any info I can provide that I have knowledge of i am offering to help if i can. Have you read my Chronicles? Anyway please let me know if I can help. GWEH CWO4 USMC |
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| greatwhiteelkhunter | Oct 31 2007, 05:02 PM Post #59 |
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Herb Your being drawn into a fight for the sake of fighting not to resolve anything or to dialog about anything. I hope you see this. Semper Fi Marine!! |
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| Duke | Oct 31 2007, 05:18 PM Post #60 |
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I did a search, I typed in; Donald Rumsfeld charged One thing kept getting my attention, that is the groups and people filing the charges, groups I have little to no respect for much of their actions at all. I also want to remind folks about memo gate, the Dims. had put out instructions that if any election problems couldn't be found to just make allegations, then of course they had lawyers waiting in S. Fla. where the Dims. had approved the ballot as written and then tried to overthrow the elections, they even tried to keep the military absenttee ballats from being counted. Even now there are people that claim Al "lieing" Gore won. Now, remember that Islamoterrorists are told to lie and make allegations too. Dealing with people that at their core honesty isn't held in high regard unless they are demanding it of others, sadly, of course even that is a ploy to help serve their own misguided agendas. I don't for one minute believe raping was ever approved as a means of torture or any other thing by Donald Rumsfeld or other high up members of the Bush presidency. Duke |
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| 3006 | Oct 31 2007, 05:21 PM Post #61 |
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Now that's the GWEH I'm TALKING ABOUT.Gary, that was well said and far more meaningful than than saying in with hate.You have shown something here we can all learn from.THANKS.I think we have to be careful how we take all these links that are posted. There is no way to tell if all are true or just anti American propaganda. |
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| Herb | Oct 31 2007, 05:22 PM Post #62 |
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What I see is lies being posted. I have a real problem when trolls like this post the lies (as fact) about good people. In my world lies are not allowed to stand without rebuttal. I realize that changing the troll's mind will never happen. The problem is that there are others in this world that, are on the fence, and if the lies are not rebutted they might come down on the lib side. We just don't know who might be reading this besides those of us that understand the type of thing we are dealing with. If anyone ever had to depend on this POS troll, they would be in a world of deep ..... It would never walk the walk, might get it's "feelings" hurt. |
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| greatwhiteelkhunter | Oct 31 2007, 06:08 PM Post #63 |
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I agree 100% Sure do we need to counter that junk she is not really trying to teach us or help us see the truth because she don't really believe it herself she is just playing a role. AND we must also insure we hold to the truth and keep our role going as well. We MUST counter this stuff or we run the risk of validating it with our silence. Troll? Yea for sure, bad person? don't know I think she is playing to the masses. Either way we must keep up the fight and insure that only the truth is really passed as truth. Thanks for keeping up the fight Herb!! Just know that when your blood pressure is getting up, back off. Go get a beer, some tea, anything until you can come back and then go at it again. You let her win if you keep yourself up in arms and angry. |
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| Ali | Oct 31 2007, 08:51 PM Post #64 |
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That was a great post GWEH. Thank you! Herb - don't let anybody ever 'sucker punch' you on this site or any other ....it's a cowardice thing for somebody to do. You know it, and the coward knows it. It's not so much that a person has a difference of opinion, we could all take that into consideration ....and we do! We don't all think alike about everything, but when somebody has so much discontent in their life and gets "Internet rage" (just plain stupid or troll), then it's time to go for a walk and count them out! |
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| Culture Warrior | Oct 31 2007, 09:18 PM Post #65 |
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Gary, you are absolutely right! Noone could have said your words any better. Your having served in Iraq, knowing what it was like, and WHAT OUR AMERICAN TROOPS ARE LIKE, you show incredible courage and understanding in not letting BA's words get to you. You can truly be admired for this among the many things you do. Right now I'm going thru something that BA will never understand, and reading her words could easily make one lose it. I'm thankful for the words you posted and to have read them before flying off the handle after reading hers. Her words go over the edge. They are not the words ANY of our American Soldiers should hear nor their Families. In a nutshell, she is calling our American Soldiers child "Rapists" and "Murderers". "BABY KILLERS" - words spoken by liberal hippies of the sixties. She does not know ANY of these brave young men and women, and if she did, she would be crawling in a corner and crying in embarrassment and disgust that she could even think such a thing. You see, she's been poisoned by the BAD NEWS MEDIA and that of her same political gender in the Democratic Underground. That the mistakes made by the few (a few rogue soldiers) make the whole apple tree bad. That ALL of our troops are child Rapists and Murderers. When they are FAR, FAR from this. I look into the eyes of these brave young me and women and see their determination, caring, and courage at least once every month. I hear it and see it in the eyes of their Families - their mom's, dads, husbands, wives.... Knowing some of the Families that have lost their son and their determination to see this thru FOR their son.......I'm sorry, but these words just sicken me............ BA, I hope you have a soul and you can search it past the hatred in it for our president and his administration. Because our Soldiers are NOT HIM.....and your hatred should not be directed at them. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED IN IRAQ - FOR THOSE WITH SONS, DAUGHTERS, MOMS, DADS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, AUNTS, UNCLES, NEIGHBORS, AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE SERVED, ARE SERVING, OR WILL SERVE IN IRAQ DO NOT LISTEN TO BA!!!!! BE PROUD!  BE VERY, VERY PROUDAnd God Bless!!! BA, IF YOU CANNOT HONOR OUR SOLDIERS - THEN HIT THE ROAD!!!!!! :jus-passin-thru |
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| Almtnman | Oct 31 2007, 09:37 PM Post #66 |
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Gary, I read your post up above and I salute you, my brother!
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| Ali | Oct 31 2007, 10:22 PM Post #67 |
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I've been writing emails, sending snail mail to soldiers since this battle has begun. There has never been a time that I heard a soldier didn't want to go back! Never. This is our backbone. These are the people who make it so. Life might be strange to you bacterialalbatross because you aren't living in a world of truth. |
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| legitlinda | Oct 31 2007, 10:37 PM Post #68 |
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It's not a fact! It's a lie! And you believe those people? You believe our Soldiers would do something like that to anybody....no less to kids?! Herb's right about you....I echo his sentiments and the sentiments of the others on the board here. You really should go somewhere else. |
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| bacterialalbatross | Oct 31 2007, 10:54 PM Post #69 |
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Children as young as 11 were imprisoned at Abu Ghraib. Our government admitted it.... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150163,00.html From the FOX News article.... WASHINGTON — A boy no older than 11 was among the children held by the Army at Iraq's Abu Ghraib (search) prison, the former U.S. commander of the facility told a general investigating abuses at the prison And those children claim that the same things were done to them that were done to the adults in the released photos and video tapes. Remember, all the pictures and tapes were not released...... Just in case you don't recall, the Army's own report said rape took place at Abu Ghraib. Lower level folks have already gone to prison for it. Here is a link to the Executive summary of Article 15-6 investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/ |
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| Condor | Oct 31 2007, 10:55 PM Post #70 |
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For BA: I think that if you watched the news today, you had a glimpse of what happens when lilly-livered cowards are allowed to fight the wars of the world under the construct of the rule of law. War is a dirty, nasty business and you should be thankful that the United States still has people with the courage to be as dirty and nasty as the worst of our enemies as that is all that those enemies understand. There are many here on this forum that, if allowed our way with such an enemy, would have the enemy praying to Allah, Mohummed, or the Goat God that they could have kind hearted people like Rumsfield back after a mere fifteen minutes of experiencing what war really brings to those who start them. The people that we fight today deserve nothing but curelty and cowards like you should be thankful that you haven't castrated all of America in the last thirty years. Put your castration blade away, it isn't welcome here and everyone here will disregard them. Use them for your friends. We will retain our vigor! Spain has proven my point today. There is a place for the rule of law and for a court system when it comes to resolving the disagreements of civilized people. That is not the case in war and Spain just proved that! How do you feel about a killer going free to do it again? I don't need your answer. I would have no respect for it regardless of how you dress it - keep your answer in your own head until it eats your brain like a hungary worm. |
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| Duke | Oct 31 2007, 11:59 PM Post #71 |
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In the "Posted: Oct 31 2007, 09:54 PM , (by; BA)" part of the fox news link was quoted and I read that article, some things there were news to me. The pics. of the Abu Ghriab fiasco that were released showing naked terrorists with bags over their heads, etc., it turns out that some of those terrorists had raped a 14 yr. old there, one of their own. Most of us remember hearing about the 12 yr. old that cut off someone's head. We remember seeing the mickey mouse looking character teaching and encouraging raw hatred for Israel, America, and others they call infidels, the kids talked about their enemies needing killing. We remember seeing the very young kids dressed in war garb spewing hate and carrying weapons. We remember some terrorist woman getting great praise and spouting off in great pride talking about how wonderful it was that two of her young sons did suicide murders. Now we have a twisted BA on here attacking. One thing I am aware of is that it wouldn't take a young kid long to dispatch BA if given the right opportunity, I don't think they would care much that BA may be more useful left alive to do them service from where BA launches BA's Internet attacks on America from. Since BA cares so much for the little terrorists, maybe we could get BA to take them in and quarrantee they won't do any(more) harm? It is not that I don't like BA, it is that I so very much know that BA is wrong. I remember the pics. of American Troops playing with young Iragi kids, getting them soccer balls, seeing to it that their schools were supplied and opened, sending young kids to hospitals here in America where they could get the medical help they needed, and many more good things. I know it breaks the heart of our Troops to have to fire on a young person that is trying to kill them, but I for one in that situation would kill a kid that was killing or trying to kill someone else or I, war is not pretty, but necessary at times like now. To accuse our American leaders of approving rape of kids or women is to not know American leadership or to be filled with such venomous hate as to be blind to the reality at hand. Duke |
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| bacterialalbatross | Nov 1 2007, 12:22 AM Post #72 |
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I'm not attacking anything. The people that filed the criminal complaint against Rumsfeld in France claim he ordered the stuff to go off at Abu Ghraib, and the General that was in charge of the prison claims he ordered it. If he did order that stuff, he needs to be in prison with the soldiers that were sent down as well. Irregardless of the Iraqi children's twisted raising, I don't condone this stuff. Posting the FOX News link again.... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150163,00.html |
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| Duke | Nov 1 2007, 12:49 AM Post #73 |
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BA, The war is against terrorists period, they don't have to belong to a group with a particular name, all they have to be is a terrorist. They don't even have to be of a certain age or sex. Some of the things you say makes it seem like you fell off a turnip truck and it backed up and ran back and forth over your head and heart a few times. I feel sorry for you, but you do need to do some real thinking about what is real in life, not just what you think it should be like. I pray to God your little dream world doesn't come crashing down on your head hard enough to do you any serious harm, but I do pray something wakes you up. It sure wasn't happy times that woke me up, I'm thankful I'm awake now though. You can change, don't mess around as long as I did though, it's costly to self and those around, Duke |
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| bacterialalbatross | Nov 1 2007, 01:23 AM Post #74 |
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Perhaps I just miss the way the US used to be.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6100402005.html (snip...) Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk. "Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Doing stuff we called "war crimes" 60 years ago ain't kosher..... |
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| Duke | Nov 1 2007, 02:34 AM Post #75 |
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Partial quotes from BA's reply to me on page 2 "Posted on Oct 31 2007, 11:22 PM" "Perhaps I just miss the way the US used to be...." ....yes, and "perhaps" you are just using what anyone writes as a chance to play off of to carry on your anti-American agenda? " (snip...) " Just make sure your snipping America stays verbal and that way no one will have to snip you out of a tree in the future like a cuckoo bird yap yap yapanese. "I'm not attacking anything." Yeah? Read the full writing of your topic title and the rest of your posts, Doh! Maybe you want to blame it on Homer Simpson like you blamed the attacks on others in the post I quote from. Doh! That don't get it, you are the attacker here, you use them as the scape goat. One minute you are talking about boys in Abu Ghraib, rape by AMERICANS, and then water boarding, attacker. No one here supports rape and neither does Donald Rumsfeld, but you want to go after Donald Rumsfeld, oh yes you use the word IF he supported/approved rape. That is a play on words, but you still want him arrested and investigated don't you? Spin spin spin it like Rumplestiltskin, but your biased agenda is still known. Tell us how you would get info from someone that is a terrorist?(rape shouldn't be included in that either just like it isn't by Donald Rumsfeld). No, posting the same link repeatedly doesn't count, well in your case making them read your posts out loud oooover aaand oooover again may work on some, but that would be considered torture wouldn't it? Just what would you do if in charge of getting information from enemy combatants, pretend you are in charge, protect our Troops, the innocent among the Iragies, Americans at home and other countries that attacks may be being planned against? Duke |
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| Culture Warrior | Nov 1 2007, 05:25 AM Post #76 |
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BA, YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE POSITIVE POSTING ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD TOWARD THE HEROIC AND COURAGEOUS ACTS OF OUR AMERICAN MILITARY. Nor toward the leadership that governs them. JUST WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE???????????? TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK |
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| Culture Warrior | Nov 1 2007, 05:27 AM Post #77 |
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THIS IS A BLATANT OUTRIGHT LIE!
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| Almtnman | Nov 1 2007, 06:55 AM Post #78 |
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Well, it looks like my PM system does not work anymore and I keep getting links posted over and over that are not true as to what really happened, so it's getting tiring with the BS and there's one way to settle it once and for all. Goodbye BA! |
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| greatwhiteelkhunter | Nov 1 2007, 07:53 AM Post #79 |
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Well Like I said a while back the clock was ticking and it just hit it's last TOC! Sorry BA but it was more then likely best for all concerned. Good luck in the world and I hope some day you can find some happiness. |
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| legitlinda | Nov 1 2007, 10:42 AM Post #80 |
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Kind of nice for All Saint's Day not to have to put up with her and that horrible looking avatar anymore. Good move AMM... |
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