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Vet Rescues Flag Again ...
Topic Started: Oct 3 2007, 08:41 AM (480 Views)
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story moved from site - bad link

A mexican business owner in Reno NV who says he is supposedbly an American citizen flew the mexican flag over Old Glory at his business. That is, until a vet came to his business and cut both flags off the flagpole, in front of the mexican, and kept old glory, an act he said was rescuing the American flag. The irony is that the vet rescued the flag with an engraved K-bar. The mexican showed that he had at least a grain of common sense when he only stood and watched without a word as the vet took down the flags, left the mexican rag on the ground, spoke to the news cameras explaining his action and identifying himself, and walked away.

The video has a commercial first and was a little slow in loading the news story but hang in there, its worth watching. But the rage that fills one as they see the mexican BS flown over an honored symbol could be hazardous to ones health.

New link to story as found by Sunshine --- thanks Sunshine
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That was great. It looks like if we want to keep our country that we all will have to start being like that vet was and just do it. smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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T Dawg,

I just tried to watch the story, because I am so very pleased, happy, and thankful, this Veteran loves Old Glory so much that he still stands up today to defend and protects her-I love and appreciate that.

When I used your link this is what I got;


"Our Apologies

The page you requested is currently unavailable. Pages on this site are constantly being revised, updated, and occasionally removed. You may have followed an outdated link or have outdated pages in your browser cache.

Please use your browser's BACK button to return to the previous page.

We apologize for any inconvenience. "

I just wanted you to know and of course if you or anyone is still being able to view it do let me know, I'd really like to see that fine Veteran in action...
smiley-patriotic-flag-wave smiley-patriotic-flag-wave smiley-patriotic-flag-wave , God bless him and all like him,

Duke
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http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7162515

I called the reporter and here is the new link.
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Try this link, it looks like they moved it.

Vet Rescues Flag

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Story
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I can't view it on any of those links. I get the same message as Duke on the first one, and AMM's and Sunshine's links the video box comes up and says loading but never finishes loading. It could just be my computer because for some strange reason I can't view any video's on the Fox News website either. :wacko:

But good for that Vet who cut the flags down and left the Mexican flag in the dirt! No cowardice there!


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T Dawg, Sunshine, and Almtnman,

I thank each of you.

I was able to use Almtnman's first link to find out they are saying I need to upgrade my windows media player, it didn't write that in the other links I used, I'll get that fixed hopefully tonight after my darling wise one gets home, she'll know how to direct me in getting it done.


I definately want to see this news clip and will.

Some of the folks that posted comments on their site about the Veteran taking down the flags and rescueing Old Glory acted like they don't have a real clue to the realities facing this country or of the rules concerning Flying the American Flag in America.

Some folks are very much like the bulk of the folks on here, my hat is off to them and in particular to the Veteran.

I certainly hope that no one tries to bring charges against him, I am fairly certain someone or a few will contact the man that disgraced our flag and try to get him to file a complaint against the Veteran, I hope the man is wise enough not to do that.

Thanks for a very good topic, and thank you for helping me, now I know where my problem is,

Duke


God bless the Veteran- smiley-patriotic-flag-wave


Edited I misspelled a word and the flag wasn't waving-Duke
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James,

All the hits on the original site were probably playing havoc with their internet server :rotfl:

I heard a phone interview with this guy and he hears that illegal rights groups are pressuring the business owner to press charges against him. If that happens I hope the business owner loses his home and business.

BTW, thanks Sunshine and James for providing new links

Here is the audio link to Hot Air where Mike Gallagher interviews this guy. I hope he IS a vet because he stumbles a bit when asked when he served. Even if he is not though, I applaud his action!!!

Interview link
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I have just got off the phone about 30 minutes ago with the Veteran that ripped up the Mexican Flag and he has had Fox news and alot of tv stations contacting him. We also are doing a story and having him honored as Hero of the month.
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Sunshine,Oct 3 2007
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I have just got off the phone about 30 minutes ago with the Veteran that ripped up the Mexican Flag and he has had Fox news and alot of tv stations contacting him. We also are doing a story and having him honored as Hero of the month.

Sunshine,

Way to go! Keep us updated on this.

If need be I am certainly willing to give what few dollars I can in order to help his defense fund if the activists go after this Veteran.

I listened to T Dawg's link on;

Posted on Oct 3 2007, 12:45 PM

I enjoyed listening to the Veteran talk.

As for me I recommend reading the story, watching the video, and listening, to the interview.

I'm so happy and proud that some people just keep reminding me how blessed I am to be an American, God bless each one of them.

My graditude,

Duke


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Did anyone read the viewer comments they had on the website?

I can't believe all of the negative BS on there.

OBTW, I know that the cops had to have driven past this place. Why didn't they do anything about it?

OH! It's federal law and they can't enforce it!!!! Is Reno a sanctuary city?

Anyone here from the Reno area?
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OH! It's federal law and they can't enforce it!!!!

Yep, and so is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION......and they cannot enforce that either :breakcomp:
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Now the aclu chimes up:

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163998

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Almtnman,Oct 3 2007
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That was great. It looks like if we want to keep our country that we all will have to start being like that vet was and just do it. smiley-patriotic-flag-wave

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! YEA that sure was GREAT!!
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Sunshine,Oct 3 2007
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Can the ACLU be shipped off to France???????
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I was finally able to view the video on this link.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7162515

That was a brave patriotic thing to do, we need more like him who aren't afraid to stand up and do what's right. They better not charge him either.
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Sunshine,Oct 3 2007
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... and the ACLU needs to *^&$(&$%)^ B**^$( ... and also know that if you disrespect our country and our flag that you are going to provoke a strong reaction. Perhaps if they knew the proud history of the FLAG and the men and women who have fought for her ... well never mind, that would have been a silly statement because the ACLU, the dems, the libs, the politicians could care less about America. She is their target to take down and as such, are her enemies. They picture themselves as 'the ruling class' in a new government ... hmmmm what an opportunity to make THEM the target!!!

Lock and load ... :cb13: smiley-bounce-fire
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I have been thinking on this. Didn't the oath of allegiance we had to give when we went into the military give us the right to protect the flag from that point on? If we swore to protect it always, shouldn't that hold up in court? If it didn't, then why did they require us to give that oath of allegiance? smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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Here is the enlisted oath of allegience ---

CITE: 10 USC Sec. 502 01/03/95
EXPCITE: TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law

PART II - PERSONNEL

CHAPTER 31 - ENLISTMENTS

HEAD Sec. 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer

STATUTE Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following
oath:

''I, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

So help me God!"
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... and for commissioned officers and warrant officers -


"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
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James,

With the above oaths being posted, I guess it becomes a question of belief. IF a vet believes the American Flag is representative of, and a standard for these United States of America and its Constitution ... (and I do so believe) ... then by all means, a vet has an obligation to defend this country's flag.

Those who would desecrate and show dis-respect to the flag could certainly be considered 'an enemy, foreign or domestic'.

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That's my way of thinking also TD, I took the oath and it's my duty to protect it. Once the oath is taken, it's from then on, not just a few years or so.

I think most veterans feel the same way. I can go to a football game and pick out all the veterans in the stands when the flag is raised. A lot of people that have never been in the military are obvious there too as they don't think much of the flag when it's raised. And if I remember correctly, there was a new law recently made by congress that confirmed that veterans have the right to salute the flag as if they were still on active duty.
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Culture Warrior,Oct 3 2007
08:55 PM
Herb,Oct 3 2007
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OH! It's federal law and they can't enforce it!!!!

Yep, and so is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION......and they cannot enforce that either :breakcomp:

My point exactly.
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That's my way of thinking also TD, I took the oath and it's my duty to protect it. Once the oath is taken, it's from then on, not just a few years or so.

I think most veterans feel the same way. I can go to a football game and pick out all the veterans in the stands when the flag is raised. A lot of people that have never been in the military are obvious there too as they don't think much of the flag when it's raised. And if I remember correctly, there was a new law recently made by congress that confirmed that veterans have the right to salute the flag as if they were still on active duty.

Maybe this explains it maybe not,This was posted to answer James question about the oath that service men took when entering the service..Don't read in something I didn't write Hell I agree with the guy who cut the flag down.


Display of United States Flag with Flags of Other Nations or

of States

The Flag Code sets out rules for position and manner of display of the flag in

4 U.S.C. § 7. The question as to the propriety of flying the flag of another nation at

an equal level with that of the flag of the U.S. is not clear from the face of the statute.

Section 7 contains two subsections on point and these provisions appear to be

contradictory. Subsection 7© states:

© No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same

level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except

during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the

church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services

for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the

United Nations or any other national or international flag equal,

above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to or in place

of the flag of the United States or any Territory or possession thereof:

Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the

continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag

of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor,

and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor,

with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the

United Nations.40







CRS-13

41 4 U.S.C. § 7(g).

42 P.L. 623, § 3(g), 77th Cong., 56 Stat. 377, 378.

43 P.L. 107, 83rd Cong., 67 Stat. 142.

44 S. Rept No. 258, 83rd Cong., 1st Sess. (1953).

45 See, for example, Holmes v. Wallace, 407 F. Supp.493 (M.D. Ala.1976), aff’d without op.,

540 F.2d 1083 (5th Cir. 1976).

46 4 U.S.C. § 7(e).

47 4 U.S.C. § 7(f).

Subsection 7(g) states:

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown

from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of

approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of

the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.41

The wording of § 7(g) is identical to that of the original Flag Code enacted in

1942.42 The second sentence of § 7© prohibiting flying international flags equal in

height to the flag of the United States was not in the original Flag Code. This

provision was added in 1953.43 The legislative history of this amendment clearly

states that is purpose was to “make it an offense against the United States to display

the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal to,

above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of

the United States at any place within the United States or any possession or territory

thereof,....”44 The only exception recognized is at the headquarters of the United

Nations.

When a statute contains apparently contradictory provisions, the rules of

statutory construction first mandate an attempt to interpret the provisions so both can

be given effect. If this proves futile, the usual rule is to give effect to the latest in

time. The reasoning is that this represents the most recent statement of the will of the

legislature. Following this second rule of construction would lead to the conclusion

that flying a flag of another nation at the same height as the flag of the United States

may not be proper etiquette under the Federal Flag Code, but this creates no right of

action in private individuals.45


When the United States flag is displayed with the flags of states of the union or

municipalities and not with the flags of other nations, the federal flag, which

represents all states, should be flown above and at the center of the other flags.46

Where there is only one flag pole, the federal flag should be displayed above

state or municipal flags.47
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legitlinda,Oct 3 2007
09:48 PM
I was finally able to view the video on this link.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7162515

That was a brave patriotic thing to do, we need more like him who aren't afraid to stand up and do what's right. They better not charge him either.

L Linda,

The link worked for me tonight too, I had to try it a couple times, but it worked and it is surely well worth watching.

I'm very glad I got to, I'm very proud of him. smiley-patriotic-flag-wave

Thanks,

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Notice I highlight in color;

The Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
one nation,
under God,
indivisible,
with liberty
and justice for all.


We know that our flag is more than just a colored piece of cloth and so does that bar owner that flew it beneath the Mexican flag his true allegiance is to!

Our Veteran did himself and all of us proud.

I thank him,

Duke


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Duke I'm glad you got to see the video. I turned on Neil Cavuto's show on Fox yesterday and there was that Vet! I just caught the very end but Neil said Fox got a lot of emails calling this Vet a hero! I wanted to see O'Reilly and Hannity but I had a power outage here from 4:00 pm till about midnight. I lit some candles and sat in the dark and figured out why they went to bed so early in the olden days and got up at the crack of dawn. It's because it's really boring sitting in the dark! I was in bed by 8:30 pm and couldn't wait for the sun to come up, and I'm not even a morning person! :lol2:

On a side note my hand crank radio that I bought for Y2K came in handy! :lol:

Did anybody see anymore of this Vet on tv?
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Linda,

I also saw the Cavuto appearance. He did quite well for himself.

As to the flag codes and etiquette info that has been posted, as well as explored fairly thoroughly in the media, and to those who say this vet is a disgrace to the country (one of the reply posts online) ... the flag is NOT a worthless piece of cloth. It is representative of sacrifice, blood, tears, love, growth, unity, family, history, and country. Common sense should tell people that any desecration or disrespect of this flag will invoke a strong reaction from others ... no matter if words in a code say it is wrong to react. Sacrifice has borne this flag and sacrifice will keep it alive. Many americans are prepared to do whatever necessary to protect the flag.

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T dawg,

You have a very good and needed topic here, the word about our proud Veteran is spreading all over the place and hopefully will turn out to be a milestone on several issues concerning Mexicans and others disrespecting our flag in our country, plus hopefully it will help open more people's eyes on the illegal alien invasion.

Thanks,
Duke


L Linda,

I saw him last night or the night before on the "Glen Beck show on CNN", this story is getting a lot of air time and should, I join with others in prayer and any support for our Army Veteran.

Thanks,

Duke



Folks, this story may have a very good rippling affect and know a lot of us are hopeing it does-Duke
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Here is a little insight into how a vet feels about our flag.

Sgt Carney's Flag
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... and another example

Mike Christian, POW
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And like Duke said about the flag being a milestone. The immigrants might want to step back and take a long hard look at what they're doing. Why I say this is; they did all the marches when the immigration bill was getting ready to be voted on and did a lot of stuff that turned the American public off' like fly Mexican flags and run then up flagpoles with the American flag upside down. At the time, they probably thought they were doing something really fantastic and it would show the Americans that they meant business. Well it showed them alright as the telephone switchboards received so many phone calls and faxes that it literally shut the system in DC down due to an overload on the phone system. It was said that there had never been so many phone calls and faxes sent in the history of receiving calls from citizens ever. Now they want to fly another countries flag over an American flag on American soil and they will do more damage to their cause than they can ever get what it is they want. Doing things like that is not helping them at all, it's causing great harm to what they want and will never get doing it that way.
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Almtnman,Oct 5 2007
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Doing things like that is not helping them at all, it's causing great harm to what they want and will never get doing it that way.


SSSSHHHHHH

They might hear you.
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Almtnman,

In response to your
(Posted on Oct 5 2007, 12:49 PM).

You remember after they acted the invaders they are by flying Mexican flags at the marches while at the same time some showing American flags upside down, etc.

Then after the phone calls to DC and other things done they realized their very bad choices and started flying American flags at another march, of course the American flags were passed out to them just like the Mexican flags were passed out to them earlier by others in their pro-illegal alien invasion activism ( trying to take control of our country).

You and many of us know their loyalty is to Mexico and trying other strategies isn't going to fool we who know better.

Thanks, good post,

Duke
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It's catching on too. This morning Rick Roberts, our local talk show host was talking about this Veteran and someone called in saying they were on their way to work and saw a house that had two flag poles in the yard. One flying a Mexican flag that was in good condition, and the other, an American flag, upside down and in ragged condition!

Rick sent a person to that house to knock on the door and see if the people inside needed help because the upside down flag is a distress signal. A young man opened the door and said he told his father that he shouldn't fly a ragged looking flag and they were going to replace it. (Yeah right, quick thinking on this young man's part). Rick's employee went to the store with this young man and bought him a brand new American Flag!!!

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edited to change the "should" to "shouldn't" because that changes the whole story... :blink:
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One thing I am understanding even more deeply, me being a civilian having never worn a Military uniform, is that a veeery biiig bunch of our Military past and present have a deep love and respect for our flag and what it represents.

I am proud of them and thankful for them, our flag is so very special and it is sad and just plain wrong that so many Americans today do not know that.

God bless America and may Old Glory get the respect it truly deserves;


"Rise high on the solid arm and display your stars and stripes in the sky above us.

Wave ever so lovingly and proudly to all that behold you.

As always my heart is stirred within me when I see such a beautiful sight remembering all that you represent.

Many times I have shed tears of sorry and also deep gratitude remembering the prices paid so that your beauty can be boldly and honorably displayed.

No wonder I still get so many good emotions too having enjoyed the freedom under your gentle wave.

How I love the sound when the wind blows and your freely waving makes that beautiful sound, anchored upon that strong arm.

Old Glory, my hat is off and in my right hand upon my heart as I look at you."-
Duke


I am free because of the many people that stood up for our flag, how can I not but honor it and all she represents,

Duke
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Here's a legal immigrant that believed in the flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Strank

Maybe it would be a good idea if these people studied the culture of the USA.

Go ahead and dis the flag. Some vet will teach you manners.
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Sometimes there is trouble with people from south of the border. Anyone remember when we hung the Maple Leaf upside down? Ignorance happens!
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Some of Duke's childish logic;

Yes ignorance happens, but even people with just a little brains can understand when someone lets them know their error, then they correct it, usually with a red faced sincere apology.

The bar owner knew why people were talking about the flags he had on a too short pole on the front of his bar( I mention short pole, not anyothers I've heard of as yet), the main thing was and is that he KNEW he was flying the flags wrong.

He should have simply said el whoopso daisio and simply put the flags in proper order.

But noooo ! He had to wait until a true to country American took them down because he would NOT.

The bar owner's lame reasoning was that he wanted to show support FOR THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY.

He is a fake when it comes to playing ignorant because common sense says he is and who here would even try to pretend that others of his compadre patrons hadn't spoken of the Mexican flag being on top of the American flag?

Even I would surely have gotten the hint and understood when the camera's showed up!

No not ignorance, he and others knew they were being activists and kept it up until a true American came on the scene.

An honest mistake due to ignorance is one thing, but claiming ignorance after knowing and still not changing isn't valid.

Even a childish Duke understands that, but everyone has the right to speak up on the issue even if they are wrong, it is up to people that are right to to speak up too and they have been and I hope more and more will take a stand.

Now that the flags are down let's see if he will get another American flag and fly it over where his true allegiance is, the Mexican flag?

Duke


Edited before anyone responded to this post-Duke
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Condor,Oct 5 2007
10:29 PM
Sometimes there is trouble with people from south of the border.  Anyone remember when we hung the Maple Leaf upside down?  Ignorance happens!


Condor,

Do you really think he did it ignorantly?

Since you know more about this one: Tell us when they found out, how did the folks that hung the Canadian Maple Leaf flag upside down handle their error in particular in comparison to actions of the bar owner in Reno?

Were the folks that hung the Maple Leaf upside down doing it for some other reason besides a mistake or ignorance?

As I very vaguely remember it they just messed up and corrected it promptly after getting told or finding out about it, am I right on that?

Do you buy into the bar owner's claim of just wanting to show support for The Mexican Community as being simply an act of ignorance when it comes to the American flag being under the Mexican flag?

Do you think he did not know in time enough to correct his so called ignorance before the Army Veteran cut the flags down?

I don't think I read what you wrote wrong, but I have done that to others a time or two, what I see your post as saying is the bar owner did it out of ignorance like the ones that did the Maple Leaf flag, if I'm wrong, I owe you a red faced apology?

Thanks for your post, it is thought provoking and surely the bar owner and some of his supporters will be continuing to use the ignorance excuse as an out for his activism (at least for a while), I think the words in the video show he played that card already, I'll view and listen to it right now again to be sure about it before I hit the sack,

Duke


Edited: I changed a few words and put my color blue in that I had left out.
My post looked too much like I was attacking Condor and that really wasn't and isn't my intent, to me the subject is fairly important here and deserves varying views and thoughts, of course it is apparent I think I am right.



I just watched it again and the owner and others were out front of his business when the Army Veteran got there and I also listened to the reporter when she said the owner wouldn't appear on camera but did talk on the phone and told her he had recently bought new flags to replace the old ones and he decided to put the Mexican flag on top to show his support for the Mexican community and didn't know it was against the law.
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