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| Student tasered after asking Kerry questions | |
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| legitlinda | Sep 19 2007, 06:02 PM Post #1 |
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This student was tasered after asking Kerry some questions. The police escorted him away from the mike and he resisted and they handcuffed him. But they tasered him after that. I don't think he should have been tasered. What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATPoHdpak0 |
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| 3006 | Sep 19 2007, 07:30 PM Post #2 |
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No I don't think it was right,but then I don't think it should be lawful for police to carry one.Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.If you are confused and don't react to a police command quick enough for them they can use it .WOW!On the news they said he wanted zapped to get it on u-tube ,still that's no reason to zap the guy.Then can one believe the Media? |
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| Toothless Dawg | Sep 19 2007, 08:44 PM Post #3 |
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I have a couple of thoughts on this ... 1) He is a KNOWN prankster. It may be he had planned the disruption and publicity all along ... he got it 2) Even if he was handcuffed, he was still resisting, shouting, carrying on, and creating a disturbance. I would bet that if he had laid down and not moved he would NOT have been tasered. I'm getting tired of dudes (and dudettes) pushing the limit further and further. My opinion, he got what he deserved. He asked for it, he got it!!! Of course, what probably will happen is that he will sue, the university will have to pay a huge settlement, 1 or 2 rent-a-cops will lose their job, and he will die of a drug overdose within a year of his settlement. Justice served!!! |
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| legitlinda | Sep 19 2007, 09:28 PM Post #4 |
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I usually have the same reaction as you did Dawg. I figure everyone should know better than to resist the police. You know the song. I fought the law and the law won, and all. But I think since he was already cuffed they should have just dragged him out of there. I noticed while he was resisting he held his hands up in the air as if to show that he wasn't going to be violent with them, but he was still resisting. I'm sure this guy planned to ask these questions of Kerry to get attention, but I'm not sure if he knew what was going to happen afterwards. He was very loud and dramatic that's for sure. One time, a long time ago, in my wild and crazy days, my buddy Cottonpicker and I were thrown out of a concert by the big burly bouncers and thrown into the arms of the police.  I was not resisting the police at all, but one officer grabbed my right arm and twisted it behind my back and he kept putting more and more pressure on it to where it felt like he was going to dislocate it. I could hear him saying something to me but I was too distracted by the pain to understand what he was saying to me. He finally yelled and got my attention and told me to drop my other arm. Without even knowing it, I was trying to get my arm free with my other arm. It was a natural reaction to the pain. I dropped my arm and he let off of the other arm. I have told my sons that if they ever find themselves in trouble for some reason with the Police, DO NOT RESIST ARREST! |
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| Condor | Sep 19 2007, 11:57 PM Post #5 |
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Police Officers are supposed to be police officers, not hoods looking for cheap glory. I was standing outside Madison Square Garden one night (1974) after a hockey game. I was back against the wall with the crowd flowing past me. Something started and the NYC cops came into the crowd. They didn't care who was doing what! The started smashing heads from the outside in and were beating on people who were doing nothing but trying to get out of their way. If officers want to be looked up to, they must stand higher than the rest of us. I see a lot of tasers being used these days and a lot of the time, it looks like abuse. Did anyone else catch the smirk on the one donut diner in the uniform when the kid was tasered? They only showed that moment in the first couple of vids. My guess is that the networks noticed it and stripped that out before it got wide dissemination. |
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| Sibs | Sep 20 2007, 09:49 PM Post #6 |
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Is the moral of this story that should one plan to go to a forum and make a disruption, one should also plan to lay down and be completely still when security or police come in to squelch the disruption? Might be a good plan. |
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| Herb | Sep 21 2007, 12:15 PM Post #7 |
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I think this was a set up by kerry to get his "win" back in the public eye. |
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| Duke | Sep 21 2007, 04:43 PM Post #8 |
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Don't Taze Me Bro ! 
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| legitlinda | Sep 21 2007, 10:43 PM Post #9 |
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Duke, You're hysterical! That line is gonna be on T shirts before long, if it's not already! I was just thinking...I wonder if they use tasers on the terrorists in Guantanamo or if it would be considered torture? 
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| fishinhunter | Sep 24 2007, 05:20 PM Post #10 |
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I want to know why Kerry didnt tell the cops to back off so he could answer questions  And does anybody else feel this way
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| legitlinda | Sep 24 2007, 09:25 PM Post #11 |
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I feel that way! I think I heard him in the background kind of whispering real low...no wait let him talk...it was just a whisper though. Did you notice nobody got tasered when Jim Gilcrest of the Minutemen spoke last year and the students stormed the stage. And when Anne Coulter had a pie thrown in her face nobody got tazed. Now we have the Amanutjob speaking and nobody stormed the stage! These people make me sick! |
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| Duke | Sep 26 2007, 02:17 PM Post #12 |
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L Linda, Good observations there. Columbia U. certainly appears to have an over riding left lean, I also wonder by whom and how the security is provided when they have speakers? I did like the Dean's opening remarks before the Iraniac spoke, I still wonder why they gave him the podium to speak in particular since he was to and did speak and expose himself further to a big part of the world there at the Uneffective Nations assembly meeting. Hopefully his well protected speaking there will turn out for good in exposing him further as the lieing terrorist he is. His being applauded at times is an eye opener about the character of some of the people that attended the what some consider a fiasco. Now to your wondering about tasers at Gitmo, I do not know if they are used there, but if they are they should be used only when appropriate since there are well trained guards there that have many technics (sp?) making the us?e of tasers just one of them and yes, a taser can be used as torture there, here or anywhere, so can the use of holds and other things. That is the reason that in dealing with the general public all tactics should be re-taught and should be watched and reviewed carefully, even our officers can clearly get out of line. I remember in Atl., Ga. years ago the Atl. police was sucessfully sued because they were clearly shown to be using holds and ways of lifting peaceful Pro-Life protesters at abortion clinics/death mills. It was proven that were very deliberately meant and designed to cause serious pain, there were even pictures shown where the Nazis used the same things when dealing with people. Trained folks are taught where the pressure points are on the body that will cause submission by pain and disabling, they should use those only when truly appropriate not as a personal way of using punishment or taking out their aggrevations on folks. While I support our officers and appreciate them, I know that they are human and need serious training and oversight Thanks, Duke |
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| Duke | Sep 26 2007, 03:23 PM Post #13 |
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Open comments on the use of tasers and some thoughts; I think they were first allowed as a non-lethal way of getting uncontrollable and dangerous people under control in a non-violent less harmful way, though some have died in the over use/misuse of tasers. Some have also died by the piling on of officers, use of choke holds, etc., let me make it clear I support the ,proper, use of differing technecs(sp?) used by our police officers, the problems arise when they themselves get out of line. When I was younger the use of black jacks was fairly common and they sometimes cause permanent damage and sometimes death, they still have batons or a different kind of black jack, riot sticks today. Some people have died by being shot wit what some call bean bags too. I knew a kid when I was young that his dad was beaten to death at jail by an officer that reached through the bars of his cage and repeatedly banged his dad's head into the bars. His dad was drunk and being noisy and a bother, he was killed for that. While I support the PROPER use of tasers, I'm fully aware that they can be misused and that should not be happening and when it does accountability is a must. On a side thought, I remember supporting the use of the "no knocks" laws and at the time of supporting it I knew there would be some misuse of it and sure enough leave it up to the Atl. drug task force to have done just that and an elderly woman was shot to death when they busted in her door, that being at the wrong house, she fired at them as house invaders and they fired at her as a bad guy, results-death. I do not remember the fine details of that case or if that is best example to use, I knew it would happen at sometime and that breaks my heart, but we must have officers that go after criminal activity, it is when things go wrong that people should be held accountable in proper detail, actually repeated training, oversight, and accountability should serve to lesson those cases. I still support the use of tasers, but the rules of when and how to use tasers and other things should be under constant view and review. Further I support lethal action when properly called for, but there again those rules should be carefully taught, followed and reviewed. On the young "Don't taze me bro!", I watched the video and he was out of line IMO, he clearly made several mistakes or misjudgments, now he is a by line or side note in other topics like this one. I'm not sure to be honest if he should have been tasered, but I take into consideration that he sure was being noncompliant with what was recognized as the proper security of that meeting, that was wrong on his part. Security did try to be non-physical with him and he repeatedly showed himself to be non compliant. I must also take into consideration that the tasering could have been replaced with serious physical acts, it is not easy getting someone that is resisting under control without some acts to get it done, it is a dangerous situation that can get more dangerous at any moment. Could that situation have been handled differently buy him and surely the security officers? Absolutely. John Kerry could have done a better job of it also, but I don't forget he is Jooohn Keeerryyy. I've been at political meetings where someone tried to make it a podium for their personal views and ideas that were out of line with proper conduct and true subject matter, in those times it was handled much differently and no physical actions had to take place, but would have if the person did not listen to repeated statements to them, some meetings are very serious in nature, they did get to speak much of what they wanted to and then were cautioned of their error and of their grandstanding. Those meetings where different than the one he was at. Anyone can see I have some mixed feelings on that and other situations here, but clearly I still support proper authority. I'm very upset to see times where officers have gotten out of line, they are the ones that need to be held seriously accountable even to the point of firing and imprisonment accordingly to the situations, the police authrities should look into the matter fully and use the info to better themselves. Sorry about the rambling writing, but that is the way I express myself, just "Don't taze me bros!".  Thanks, you all have a good subject matter here, Duke |
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| legitlinda | Sep 26 2007, 03:57 PM Post #14 |
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Good post Duke and I agree with you. I do respect the Police and the job they do. But I also know that they can get overly zealous at times too. I think this young man was just asking questions in a way that whoever was running the show didn't like, so they asked the campus Police to step in and remove him. I agree that he shouldn't have resisted. That was a big mistake on his part. Anytime you resist an officer it's not going to go well for you, even if you're in the right. I don't think they needed to taser him though. I think they should have been able to restrain him, cuff him, and remove him without going to that extreme. I thought they started using tasers as a non-lethal alternative to shooting a person, not just to restrain a person. Maybe part of the problem is that the woman officer didn't have the size or strength to properly help the other officers. In my opinion that's why women shouldn't be in those positions. In a situation where a man's strength is enough, a woman might have to resort to a weapon. Just some thoughts. |
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| Duke | Sep 26 2007, 04:25 PM Post #15 |
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There were several officers there and there actions are being investigated. I have a long time female friend that is a police officer and is well trained in karate and in police control technics. I don't think women that serve should be allowed to use lethal or taser force any quicker than a man, quite simply put ; if they can't do the full job they shouldn't be on the front lines, they have a job to do fully and should not be allowed to be a special class as women in that job, though I personally got very upset because I saw a video of a man brutally beating a woman officer after she stopped him on the highway, I was raised to respect women, but if they persue and take a job they should do that job, I've worked with them in constuction and they are expected to do a days work for a days pay. That said men get over powered too and the use of certain things that are available to officers should be wisely chosen. Hopefully the investigation will be fruitful and any changes made if needed promptly. I kind of think that there were too many officers on him and that in a way hindered them getting the cuffs on him, but that is only a quick observation. I respect everyones opinions on this subject and I am trusting that this issue will be fully investigated. Thanks, Duke |
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