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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 19 2007, 07:53 PM (261 Views) | |
| Almtnman | Jul 19 2007, 07:53 PM Post #1 |
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This guy has lost all hope of me ever supporting him for as much as a dogcatcher. I apologize to all for voting for him twice, as it was a wasted vote on my part, although the candidate running against him wasn't much better. The man does not listen to "We The People" at all. :angry: Bush challanges immigration opponents |
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| Almtnman | Jul 19 2007, 08:13 PM Post #2 |
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My email that I just sent President Bush after reading his comments in the link above. 7/19/2007 8:04:42 PM Dear President Bush, My family and I have voted for you twice on your run for The President. We have supported you faithfully through the Iraq War and almost all other political activities. I noticed your comments at Nashville today about your immigration policy and the comments you made about not committing to giving the Border Patrol Agents a pardon. I will have to part ways with your political stance from that point on as you’re way off course with my thoughts and what I would like to see. I have been a faithful Republican and gave monetarily to your campaign. As much as I don’t like the way the Democrats do things either, I guess that we will have to start voting for them. Your immigration policy and imprisoning our Border Patrol Agents with trumped up charges to protect an illegal drug peddler from your friend in Texas has turned me and all my family off and all our support has faded. Respectively, James Xxxxxxx 5505 Xxxxx Xxxxxx Xxxxxx, Alabama 3xxxx PS: Please tell the RNC to quit sending me anymore correspondence asking for my hard earned money as I can find better uses for it on my ideas of how the country should be run. |
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| legitlinda | Jul 19 2007, 09:24 PM Post #3 |
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Wow Almtnman, I know how you feel. I was a strong Bush supporter and voted for him twice too. I couldn't stand to hear anyone badmouth him. From the beginning I would say that I agree with him on everything except his immigration policies. I said that for five years until last summer when the scales fell off my eyes and I saw what I didn't want to see. He has no intention of securing the border, and I believe it's because of the North American Union plans. I know a lot of people don't think there's anything to that and I hope and pray they're right, but it makes sense that he wouldn't secure the border if his intent is really to erase the borders between us, Mexico, and Canada. I'm an Independent, not affiliated with any party. I won't vote for a Dem, unless there's someone like a Zell Miller in the running. I'm looking for a true Conservative, and I see that in both Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. I hope and pray that either one of them will make it to Primary because I'm not thrilled with Guiliani or Romney, and I don't want just give my vote away to somebody who doesn't represent me. You would think the Republicans would have gotten the message after losing the Senate and the House in the last election, but it doesn't look like they did. God help us, and God Bless America |
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| Almtnman | Jul 20 2007, 08:01 AM Post #4 |
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I have been the same and overlooked some of his programs that I didn't agree with. I read the news article yesterday when he was in Nashville and his response to questions asked from the audience. My eyes have been opened and as bad as I hate to say this, I think now that he's just another dictator. When a leader doesn't listen to the very people that he serves and instead stands up for friends, buddies and cohorts why leaving people locked up in prison and not listening to what the American people wants on this immigration issue, that sounds to me the same as any other dictator in the world operates. He's not even listening to other Senators that belong to the same party as his. I wonder how far his rank in the political polls is going to get down to now. I'm sure some of those people in Tennessee were put off by his bullheadedness. |
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| legitlinda | Jul 20 2007, 11:15 AM Post #5 |
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According to the article President Bush says he won't pardon Ramos and Compean because they were found guilty by a jury. Well...Scooter Libby was also found guilty and he commuted his sentence. Why won't he at least commute their sentences so they could get out of jail. Maybe that's what we have to start asking for. Then he can pardon them at the end of his term when he pardons Libby, which I'm sure he'll do. P.S. Let's not forget about Deputy Sheriff Gilmer Hernandez either. |
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| 3006 | Jul 20 2007, 03:04 PM Post #6 |
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Almtnman, Please know you are not alone in feeling Bush won't listen and know you are not alone in voting twice for him .Know you are not alone in feeling he has become a useless person in our government.For some reason he is one feels he is not always right on things but never wrong.Your letter to him was commendable.I have written a few myself but never received a reply. He is about finished and will go into history as a President who accomplished little..I am more concerned about what will come next?I honestly see no one I would vote for in either party at this time.It has become a sad time in our existence when we have to vote for the less of dislike for our President.This Government we have has become so big and self serving that we will never regain control of it with out throwing our country into complete chaos.My letter about( I HAVE LOST MY COUNTRY) was mostly about illegal immigration but it also was about the condition of our Government .We the people will still fight and fight forever but I think we fight a losing battle but as long as we fight we don't have to admit defeat and no victory can be declared by any side. Just take a hike to some high point and admire the beauty the Great Creator and Mother Earth has provided for us and think of all the things they provide for our life and know for sure they are the things in life that matter and in the end there way will be as was planed. Have peace of mind my friend. |
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| Almtnman | Jul 20 2007, 03:37 PM Post #7 |
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3006, that part about seeking solitude is a good idea. I love to get out in the woods and hike around, it's refreshing to me and my mind. It is sad here in American when we vote people into office and they get high and mighty and forget who voted for them. They are not leading our country according to what our forefathers wanted as they wanted the people to be in control, not the leaders and the leaders are supposed to listen, but Bush does not listen to the people, his party members or anyone else. It's good that he is leaving soon, but like you, I'm afraid that we're in for harder times ahead as there's not many in the running that are at the top of the heap right now that I would vote for. There are some that I will vote for if they can make it through the primaries, but I'm not seeing their names mentioned much except on the forums and blogs. I guess I'll get one of my rifles out and shoot a few pine trees.....that will get me to feeling much better.
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| Almtnman | Jul 20 2007, 03:38 PM Post #8 |
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He has been on my mind a lot here lately. I'm gonna say a prayer for him and hope that helps. |
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| Ali | Jul 20 2007, 10:25 PM Post #9 |
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Don't know as we would support him as a dog catcher Almtnman ....he doesn't believe in 'catching' anything. The last conference he gave to the press, I thought he did a good job on speaking about the war. I also noticed that he spoke an awful lot about 'freedoms' - supposedly for the Iraqi people (which is fine and good by me), but I had to wonder if he was double talking about the freedom you achieve when you come to America. Legally or not. We voted for him too. Thinking back, was there anybody else who made sense?!! No!! And like you both, I often think about the future and what it will bring. The way I see it, our cup is always half full and NEVER half empty because of people like us! I can't remember when or who somebody posted the question "What is Patriotism". Well, here ya go! Our heart's overflow with love for our land, our freedoms. Have you fallen in love with anything in all your life more than you have America in the last six years? |
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| Condor | Jul 21 2007, 10:45 AM Post #10 |
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Here is the bottom line issue: Prisoners to Work Colorado Fields Attempt to Supply Workers Is Criticized by All Sides of Immigration Debate By Sonya Geis Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, March 10, 2007; Page A02 Ever since Colorado passed tough immigration laws last year, farmers have worried that the immigrant laborers they depend on to plant and harvest their crops will not show up in the fields this season. So, a state legislator has proposed a novel idea: Send in the prisoners. In a pilot program officials hope to roll out before the May planting season, minimum-security prison inmates will work five farms in southeastern Colorado to fill in for migrant workers. The inmates will earn the state's standard prison pay of 60 cents per day. The prisoners in the pilot program would work the fields on Prutch's 250-acre truck farm and five others in southeastern Colorado. (David Zalubowski - AP) Critics from every side of the immigration debate have called Colorado's plan a deeply flawed stopgap solution to the chronic labor shortage, which afflicts agriculture from New York's apple orchards to Oregon's Christmas tree farms. "One generation ago here in Oregon, the crops were picked by high school kids," said Gordon Lafer, associate professor of political science and labor studies at the University of Oregon. Now, he said, the inmate program tells workers, "for all those industries that couldn't move to Mexico or China, we're going to bring those conditions to you." "The basic problem is that the pay is so low that it's difficult for people to accept those jobs," said Charles Tafoya, executive director of Rocky Mountain Service, Employment, Redevelopment, a job training agency in Denver. "If farm work paid a livable wage like any other industry, they wouldn't have that problem." Those who want to restrict immigration tend to agree that farm wages are too low. "Like illegal immigration, using inmate labor is simply forestalling or preventing the ultimate solution to this problem, which is, a) to let wages and benefits rise, and, at the same time, to mechanize," said Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, which supports more restrictions on immigration."If the goal of illegal immigration is to allow a tiny number of undercapitalized farms to continue to eke out a living for another few years, then boy, that's a strange national policy," he added. The inmate program has precedents. In Arizona, about 60 prisoners worked in watermelon fields last year, filling in for migrant workers. Iowa legislators have expressed interest in copying Colorado's program. Colorado's plan calls for supervised teams to plant, weed and harvest on farms in Pueblo County. Farmers will contract with the state for the labor, paying the cost of transportation and guards. State Rep. Dorothy Butcher (D-Pueblo) is the architect of the prisoner program. She also voted for Colorado's new immigration laws, which require residents to prove they are in the country legally to receive benefits such as in-state tuition or business licenses. "A lot of [immigrants] have felt threatened, and aren't coming," Butcher said. "We can't let the agriculture business just dry up." About 78 percent of the nation's 1.8 million agricultural workers are immigrants, according to Department of Labor statistics. The majority are in the country illegally. Until you figure out how to replace the illegal immigrants that are feeding us as a nation, you better not run them off. Maybe this is one time where the ones who disagree with the President just don't want to see or understand the full picture. Take a drive in the country during the week and count those brown heads that are sweating to feed you for much less than any native American will and then mentally remove them all. Feel any hunger pains yet? My generation knows that farm work is hard and nasty work. Most of our current crop of Americans aren't rushing to the countryside looking for agri-futures. The other issue is that the prisoners that are likely to be sent into the fields when people get hungery enough to think this whole immigrant issue through fully will likely be immigrants that didn't get out soon enough. The only difference will be that the same Mexicans that were working there last week for six bucks an hour will then be working there for nine and a half bucks an hour. The whole knee jerk reaction to this issue amounts to mass hysteria and a sort of divisive panic. It is like the Dimocrats designed it to break down the Republican party. |
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| Almtnman | Jul 21 2007, 11:55 AM Post #11 |
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I think the whole knee jerk reaction is this; this country has been running fairly well now for 231 years and only recently greed got involved with growers and companies wanting to have slave labor with a bunch of people showing up here illegally. We have laws on the books to allow workers to work here during growing seasons and it has been that way for years and years and it worked.
So that leaves us with something like 10.2 million out there not picking crops, where are they and what are they doing? |
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| legitlinda | Jul 21 2007, 12:29 PM Post #12 |
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We did just fine before and we'll do fine again. There will be a period of adjustment first before we figure it all out, but we will figure it out. If the Republican Party is crumbling, they have no-one but themselves to blame. |
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| Toothless Granny | Jul 23 2007, 08:28 AM Post #13 |
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Here is the "catch 22". Wages are low, not only so farmers can make a living and still get in the crops, but so we can afford to go to the grocery store and buy those same crops. I think the prisoner work program is a good idea. Also, teen workers. It's good for them and good for us. Back in WWII, there was a POW camp in our county. They used the German prisoners to work for local farmers. The prisoners actually enjoyed the work, and some even became friends with the farmers. For years after the war, several of the German prisoners would return to visit with their former employer friends. If we raise the wages, throw in benefits, etc., how much do you think we'll be paying for our groceries in the future???? Those on fixed incomes would not be able to eat. |
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| Condor | Jul 24 2007, 12:17 AM Post #14 |
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No one in the immigrant argument wants to admit that simple truth. |
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at the same time, to mechanize," said Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, which supports more restrictions on immigration.