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Yeah, that fence is gonna work just fine!; next, we see the earthmovers and doziers
Topic Started: Jun 23 2007, 11:04 PM (284 Views)
Condor
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Just getting ramped up
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That's not the fence Condor. That's in the East County where there is no fence. The article says it's just a horizontal steel bar. That does show exactly why we do need a fence though.



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Smith said it is not uncommon for smugglers to use metal ramps to cross the border in areas that are blocked by steel vehicle barriers. The barriers, a horizontal bar anchored to posts in the ground with large boulders beneath, are designed to stop vehicles from driving across. They are much lower than the standard border fence. Agents found a similar ramp setup last week. The ramps may be hidden nearby or driven to a spot and assembled, Smith said.
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MAN we need to MINE the whole darn border and see if they can cross that!
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legitlinda,Jun 23 2007
10:19 PM
That's not the fence Condor. That's in the East County where there is no fence. The article says it's just a horizontal steel bar. That does show exactly why we do need a fence though.



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Smith said it is not uncommon for smugglers to use metal ramps to cross the border in areas that are blocked by steel vehicle barriers. The barriers, a horizontal bar anchored to posts in the ground with large boulders beneath, are designed to stop vehicles from driving across. They are much lower than the standard border fence. Agents found a similar ramp setup last week. The ramps may be hidden nearby or driven to a spot and assembled, Smith said.

There are MILES of this type of barrier in east SD county. There are roads on both sides of it an it is easy to see how this happens.

I have ridden dirt bikes along the border "fence" for miles. It would be so easy to cross that it is impossible to believe withour seeing.
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Look at immigrants as you would any other pest. When you have an infestation of cockroaches, do you seal the doors and shut the windows? No, you put away the food and stop leaving water in the sink. You have to do something that actually works. You have to call pest control and have them killed or you have to eliminate the reasons they come in. I don't think there is an immigrant pest control and that would be an impossible task at any rate. The border isn't just the size of a house. it is time to look at what attracks them and eliminate that.

The entire fence thing is like my DCM's approach to fixing our telephone switch system in the basement of the embassy that drowned because of a broken pipe. She wanted to raise it up a foot or so on mounts. All that would have done would have been to delay the drowning. I ordered moisture detection equipment to warn the MSG post when water started entering and pumps to move the water. Moving it to a higher floor would have been a lot better, but not feasible.

She thought that way because she was a liberal and loved the obvious solution without questioning it's effectiveness.
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I don't believe anyone here believes that ONLY the fence is going to solve the problem with Illegal Immigants. It is a multi-faceted approach that must be established and to include deportation.

1) Begin enforcing the existing laws on federal, state, and local level.
2) Take measures to secure our northern and southern borders but not forgetting our east and west.
3) Build deterrents on our southern border (fence, patrol), remove watering holes at crossing points
4) Remove the Posse Comitatus Act) as pertaining to border control
5) Heavily fine employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants
6) Heavily fine house/apartment/condo/trailer owners who knowingly rent/sell to illegal immigrants
7) Remove health care unless life threatening for illegal immigrants
8) Remove state services, including in-state tuition, for illegal immigrants

These are just a few of the steps that need to be taken. As you write, some of these steps address the issue of drying up the reason for them coming here ... others work toward enforcing the laws of our land. Additionally I would require a learning of the language and history as a pre-requisite to citizenship once it is attained LEGALLY.

Yes this is a massive undertaking and ACLU will be up front in attempting to bring it down but it all begins with the arrest and deportation of ONE illegal and a new cooperation of law enforcement from Federal to Local.

Yes this measure is expensive but not nearly as expensive as it will be by ignoring this problem.

This is a threat equal to Al Qaeda and is a definite national security issue.

BTW, this problem did not occur overnight and it will not be solved overnight however it has to begin someplace. Stop 'em, ask 'em, identify 'em, arrest 'em, deport 'em!!!
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Now that sounds like a plan that would work. Why does it have to be so hard for Congress to come up with something like that?
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legitlinda,Jul 2 2007
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Now that sounds like a plan that would work. Why does it have to be so hard for Congress to come up with something like that?

... no personal gain
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Toothless Dawg,Jul 3 2007
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legitlinda,Jul 2 2007
08:46 PM
Now that sounds like a plan that would work.  Why does it have to be so hard for Congress to come up with something like that?

... no personal gain

You would think that making our country safer would be the reward in itself.
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I agree and for Americans it would be enough. For a traitorous congress, it is all about 'me, me, me'. What's in it for me? Can I get more for me? How much of a power gain is there for me?

The sad thing is that WE keep electing the 'ME's. Probably because many feel we have no choice and a compromise is considered better than a loss. This is an erroneous assumption though ... every time you compromise, you lose something.

We the people need to revolt over 'no choice'. I find it difficult to believe that in a country of 300 million people there is not an honest, hard-working, sincere, patriotic American choice!!!


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I think Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are men we could feel good about voting for.
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legitlinda,Jul 6 2007
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I think Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are men we could feel good about voting for.

I agree Linda - BUT - if you mention their names to people who don't follow the news as we do (most folks I know) they say, "Who?" This concerns me. Even some folks I know that follow the news more than most don't know who they are. They need to get out there more. and it takes lots of bucks to do that.

We need someone who is going to be strong on national security, I am afraid the only thing that will get people to listen is if what happened in London/Glasgow happens here. I pray with all my heart that it doesn't take that happening.
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bsb006,Jul 6 2007
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legitlinda,Jul 6 2007
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I think Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are men we could feel good about voting for. 

I agree Linda - BUT - if you mention their names to people who don't follow the news as we do (most folks I know) they say, "Who?" This concerns me. Even some folks I know that follow the news more than most don't know who they are. They need to get out there more. and it takes lots of bucks to do that.

We need someone who is going to be strong on national security, I am afraid the only thing that will get people to listen is if what happened in London/Glasgow happens here. I pray with all my heart that it doesn't take that happening.

They don't have the name recognition because they don't have the money the other three have. So here we have a couple of men who would make good presidents (IMO), but since they don't have money they don't stand a chance. There's something really wrong with that.
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I think the deal is that money equals following which equals people who know the candidate and who trust him/her. There is a crazy sort of logic in the whole mess if you don't mind the headaches.
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I guess that's true. I just keep telling myself that nobody knew who Bill Clinton was when he first ran and he won; so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Carter was an unknown too. This is going to be a tough race though.
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I think of like when you meet a guy that has feminine characteristics. You want to think of him as gay, but try not to before you are sure. You would hate to misjudge someone who is not and don't want to make the mistake of trusting someone who is. Trust can be a very expensive commodity.
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