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Republican shredding their cards; Could this be the beginning of a trend
Topic Started: May 23 2007, 01:03 PM (366 Views)
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Republicans shredding their registration cards in Arizona!


Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: Republicans shredding their registration cards in Arizona!

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Tucson, Arizona | Published: 05.22.2007
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The head of the Arizona Republican Party launched
criticism Monday at a U.S. Senate immigration compromise bill, saying the
party base is "incensed" by the deal and, particularly, by Sen. Jon Kyl's
involvement in drafting it.

"We have people coming in every day, tearing up their registration cards and throwing them on the floor, or coming in and changing their registration from Republican to independent," said party Chairman Randy Pullen during a press conference at the state headquarters in Phoenix.

Pullen held up what he called a "graphic" representation of how Republicans feel. It was a drawing of a hand with the middle finger pointing up and highlighted.

"This is basically the outlook that many of our party faithful are feeling
right now about the Republican Party," he said.

Kyl defended his stance on the Senate floor, referencing criticisms from his Arizona constituents, noting in a chamber now controlled by the Democrats that it's necessary to work with them to get things done.

Kyl's involvement in the compromise - he was a lead negotiator in the deal and has defended it on the national stage - has exacerbated conservative border activists' ire over the proposal.

"He understands that the party base is unhappy with it," Pullen said of Kyl.
"He also understands that a lot of that unhappiness is with him and where he is on this issue."

While Pullen said criticism has also been directed at Sen. John McCain -
someone accustomed to ruffling the right-wing base - Kyl's prominent role has drawn most of the fire his way.

Pullen isn't the only Arizona Republican taking aim at the bill. Former U.S.
Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who lost his congressional seat in November, appeared Monday on the Fox News Channel to criticize the bill.

Kyl, whose Washington staff did not return late-afternoon phone calls, has
said while he doesn't like every aspect of the bill, with Democrats now
controlling Congress, the legislation is the best opportunity for action on
immigration.

He reiterated that position Monday on the Senate floor, stating: "Of all of
the criticism that I have received for being one of the sponsors of this
legislation, the one that I don't quite understand from my constituents is,
why would I sit down with Sen. (Ted) Kennedy," Kyl said, according to a
transcript provided by his office.

"And what I've tried to tell them is, I understand your anxiety about
sitting down with Sen. Kennedy, but on the other hand, in a body of 100
senators that are supposed to try to work together to find solutions to
problems, do you not at least acknowledge that every now and then you have to sit down and talk to each other, even when you're on the other side of the aisle?"

But Pullen and others in the conservative wing of the party think the bill
amounts to amnesty, since illegal immigrants will be allowed to remain in
the country if they pay fees, $5,000 in fines and the head of the household returns to his or her home country to apply for citizenship.

Pullen said the bill is "10 percent Republican and 90 percent Ted Kennedy."

Nevertheless, the issue has divided pro-business Republicans from border
activists in the party.

Margaret Kenski, a Southern Arizona Republican strategist who has worked for Kyl, said the plan divides both parties.

"I think we're seeing a real bipartisan effort to solve a problem that
bothers a lot of us, and in the process, not everyone got what they wanted," she said. "In the long run, I have a hard time seeing the core Republicans voting for Democrats because they are unhappy with the compromise."

Democratic Party Chairman David Waid said although he would have preferred for Kyl to have been an advocate for comprehensive overhaul during his campaign last year against Democrat Jim Pederson, Waid defended Kyl's support for the Senate bill.

"He's come around to a position that is in the best interest of the people
of Arizona," Waid said. "The inflexible, complete partisan approach doesn't work."



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We had best not let this immigration thing split us. There are worse things than having Mexicans on welfare - Praying five times a day with a knife to your neck is one of them.

Or this!
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I'm hoping the true moral and fiscal conservatives will stay and fight to get our Republican party back on course.

I was raised a DixieCrat, but the last Dim. I voted for was Jimmy Carter once( oooh did he fool me! But I just voted for him because of habit and not paying serious attention ), I will probably never vote for a Dim. again because they just seem to be going further and further the wrong ways.

Since the Dim. party left me, I turned to the most logical choice and have done my best to help it be true, yes there has been disappointments, but there have also been some very good things done.

I have looked the other parties over, some more than others.

The Independents, the Libertarians, the Green Party, The party Ross Perot started...

I still think that working hard within the Rep. party is the best choice for me.

It like other parties have groups within it that want to take it in different directions, in house or party squabbles are nothing new.

Seen anyone posting a topic about the other parties' members shredding their cards?
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Know a better way to get their attention? I think if enough people do it, the Republicans are going to have to stop and listen to what the people are saying. Then they can woo us back if they want to get our vote.

We're getting some attention now. I heard them say on Fox how the Republican base is furious with their reps right now. Now is the time to stay on them with letters, faxes, emails, and phone calls, and even some shredding of voter cards.

Duke you said you left the Democrat Party because they left you. I feel the same way about the Republican Party, they left me and their conservative values behind in search of the almighty dollar.

It wasn't an easy thing to do by any means. I was a staunch Republican all my life except for the first time I voted for President, like you I voted for Jimmy Carter. Hey I was only 20 years old and didn't know any better.

Like I said before, I didn't switch sides, I'm and Independent, not affiliated with any party. I can vote for whatever side I want and I'm not going to vote for a dimwhit, don't worry about that. I most likely will vote for a Republican, hopefully it will be Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo, that would be a definate vote from me.
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legitlinda,May 24 2007
11:26 PM
Know a better way to get their attention? I think if enough people do it, the Republicans are going to have to stop and listen to what the people are saying. Then they can woo us back if they want to get our vote.

We're getting some attention now. I heard them say on Fox how the Republican base is furious with their reps right now. Now is the time to stay on them with letters, faxes, emails, and phone calls, and even some shredding of voter cards.

L Linda and all in this topic,

Yes some of them are listening and some aren't and I agree with what you listed that is getting some of their attentions and how to get their attention.

Fox in my opinion is very late on this story, it is basically a follow up story.

We differ here, I am in no way ready to encourage people to tear up their cards so to speak.
I am also not ready to throw my full support for Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo for president either, as a matter of fact I haven't signed the petiton in my inbox to draft Thomson yet and I haven't made up my mind on encouraging Newt Gingrich to run either.
There are some that I know I do not want to be president among the present Rep. candidates though.

I made a committment to God, myself and the Republican party on some very serious issues and at this time I am not ready to encourage anyone to leave or symbolically leave the party.

You and I know each other well enough on this issue, this is I don't know how many times we have talked on the very same thing and we have not changed our stands.

My part of the party have fought very hard and we have had some accomplishments and had some failures, but I will stay and fight within the party.

I will vote against those candidates that truly mess up for better to replace them, but I will not trash my whole party.

I fully understand the much needed outrage over the illegal alien invader supporters. Keep letting them know our views and by all means let those that are doing what we want know it too.

Throw out the right people, support the right people, don't throw out the good with the bad and don't encourage people to leave a party that can be helped with proper attention.

You have the right by all means, but I do not support leaving the Republican party, stay and fight as an active member.

You and I may be different, because I have held party membership locally and have seen the change we have accomplished locally, state wide and nationally, I intend to serve again as God blesses my health.

The respect I have gained by those activities would be lost if I just changed parties, I have no intention of going into U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss's or Rep. Phil Gingrey's offices where I am welcome and somewhat known and telling them that I am leaving the G.O.P. Nor will I look my fellow members( some having yrs. of hard work and some having made serious personal sacrifices) in the face and tell them I did that.

Yes, I have a better way;
keep their respect and let them fully know I will stay busy supporting them when they are right and will continue to let them know my opinions on when they are off our moral and fiscal base.

There is a big difference when these folks look you straight in the eye several times a year, does that make us more important? No, but it clearly makes us more visible.

I know for a fact that they do listen to what folks write, phone, e-mail, and say to them, but I also know they make their decisions based on what they know, they are men of good character, they are not perfect, but I sure am proud of them for many things.

Can they be swayed when people show forth good reasons for disagreeing, yes in some cases they can.

The Republicans have been taught a lesson so to speak already and the Dims. are now in control in many ways, I haven't checked the exact numbers enough to remember them, but when things are tight and numbers are close some folks are quicker to cut deals and try to at least get some of their wants in the deals. Others just give in it seems in hopes of getting something else done later.

If we lose the Presidency and just a few more positions, the Dims. can just about tell the rest of the country what they can and can't do period.

Go ahead and teach aaall of us Republicans another lesson, some of those folks are in between the rock and a hard place.

All of us are going to do as we will, I pray to God we make the right decisions.

Reid, Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, Murtha, Kucinich, and many other Dims. appreciate the last elections already, so do some semi/part-Republicans, they bask in the further melt down of some within the Rep. party.

Thanks,
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I keep hoping that Republicans will come to their senses and stop letting petty disagreements split them apart. It is almost as if the Democrats are engineering these issues - and good conservatives are falling for them - hook, line, and sinker. If this keeps up, Hilary/Obama will be a shew in for our next President/Vice President. They want that, do you all want that?

If you think immigration isn't petty, compare it to the fall of civilization!
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I have to disagree with you. I don't think "illegal" immigration is petty at all. This uncontrolled immigration encompasses so many things, ie...it compromises our National Security, our National Unity, our economy, our standard of living, our healthcare system, our education system. None of those things are petty.

Wasn't that a big reason for the fall of the Roman Empire?

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Why did Rome fall ?

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Well, the old-fashioned, traditional explanation for the fall of Rome points out the mass migration as the biggest reason for the collapse of Rome.

So, the main points for the fall were

1. bad emperors
2. increasing civilization of the people of the empire (which means weaker soldiers)
3. Roman disunity, endless infighting
4. economic decline
5. plagues
6. mass migration
7. and the settlement of the Visigoths in Moesia
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I am not trying to take this out of context, just highlighting some points. Here's the link for the whole page.

Why Rome Fell

My point being that mass migration is not a petty thing.
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If this immigration bill passes, our country will never survive.


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"On Monday ... Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation stunned some senators who heard his argument that continuing, under family-based immigration, to import a low-skilled population will cost the welfare state far more than the immigrants' contributions to the economy and government. He argued that low-skilled immigrants are costly to the welfare state at every point in their life cycle and are very costly when elderly. Just the 9 million to 10 million adults already here illegally will, if given amnesty, cost an average of $300,000 -- cumulatively, more than $2.5 trillion-- in various entitlements (Social Security, food stamps, Medicaid, housing, etc.) over 30 years..."


So, if they are granted amnesty, where is all the trillions of dollars going to come from? Our country will not be able to handle that and we will be headed down the drain!
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These are the ones we need to concentrate on.

Shocking Senatorial Votes
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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The following senators voted against making English the official language of America:

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
These are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. Regardless of political party, these politicians need to be defeated in 2008 or 2010, whenever they come up for office. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting representative.

Alaska:
Stevens ®

Arizona:
McCain ®

Arkansas:
Lincoln (D)
Pryor (D)

California:
Boxer (D)
Feinstein (D)

Colorado:
Salazar (D)

Connecticut:
Dodd (D)
Lieberman (D)

Delaware:
Biden (D)
Carper (D)

Florida:
Martinez ®

Hawaii:
Akaka (D)
Inouye (D)

Illinois:
Durbin (D)
Obama (D)

Indiana:
Bayh (D)
Lugar ®

Iowa:
Harkin (D)

Kansas:
Brownback ®

Louisiana:
Landrieu (D)

Maryland:
Mikulski (D)
Sarbanes (D)

Massachusetts:
Kennedy (D)
Kerry (D)

Montana:
Baucus (D)

Nebraska:
Hagel ®

Nevada:
Reid (D)

New Jersey:
Lautenberg (D)
Menendez (D)

New Mexico:
Bingaman (D)

New York:
Clinton (D)
Schumer (D)

North Dakota:
Dorgan (D)

Ohio:
DeWine ®
Voinovich®

Oregon:
Wyden (D)

Pennsylvania:
Specter ®

Rhode Island:
Chafee ®
Reed (D)

South Carolina:
Graham ®

South Dakota:
Johnson (D)

Vermont:
Jeffords (I)
Leahy (D)

Washington:
Cantwell (D)
Murray (D)

West Virginia:
Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting

Wisconsin:
Feingold (D)
Kohl (D)


The entire population of the United States needs to know this information, unless they don't mind sharing their Social Security with foreign workers, when American citizens are being left out

We need to turn some of these pro-amnesty, pro-illegal alien senators around.

I continue to send emails, faxes, and make phone calls to the 2 CA senators requesting that they rethink their position. I contact my congressional representative at least once a week to thank him for his support for the Citizens of the USA. (lucky to have Duncan Hunter)

Please don't forget to contact those senators and representatives that are helping us.
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Herb, I sent a thank you fax to both of my senators this morning. Luckily both of mine are not included on any of those lists.

I wish that we could get Duncan Hunter's name way up in the polls. He sounds like who I would want to be President. Either him or Tancredo or maybe both of them running together.
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Almtnman,May 25 2007
12:09 PM
Herb, I sent a thank you fax to both of my senators this morning. Luckily both of mine are not included on any of those lists.

I wish that we could get Duncan Hunter's name way up in the polls. He sounds like who I would want to be President. Either him or Tancredo or maybe both of them running together.

That's my hearts desire for our country! Pray, pray, pray!
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Two Iraqi spies met in a busy restaurant after they
had successfully slipped into the U.S.

The first spy starts speaking in Arabic. The second
spy hushes him quickly and whispers:

"Don't blow our cover. You're in America now, speak
Spanish."
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Now that's funny SP! Serious question tho, I keep hearing that this issue has torn the republican party apart. Is that true? Is there no real repub party now? I'm pretty po'd about all this, but what does happen to the party? Where do we go from here? What happens to us? I just keep remembering the Perot election and what we got stuck with!!

My edit - I think Giuliani(sp?) is too liberal and McCain is definitely out. Who can bring us back together? Can anyone?
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Fred Thompson announced that he is running, so we might be better off now that he has entered the race.
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Sibs,

I wish I had answers. I'm not republican (I'm conservative) so I don't know if this is the 'end' of the Republicans. As tight as the elections have been in the last decade or two I can believe that the actions of President Bush will definitely hurt America and get a ton of Democrats elected. My fear is that we are facing a shooting war in the USA very shortly and that is something I DO NOT want to see.

EDIT: Unfortunately the reason for the close elections and the two term elections of clinton have been because (imho) of the decaying morality in this country. We know where that decay originates!!!
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Toothless Dawg,May 31 2007
08:22 PM
EDIT: Unfortunately the reason for the close elections and the two term elections of clinton have been because (imho) of the decaying morality in this country. We know where that decay originates!!!

Yepper! you got it!
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Toothless Dawg,May 31 2007
05:22 PM
My fear is that we are facing a shooting war in the USA very shortly and that is something I DO NOT want to see.


TD, that's my fear too. I think legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens is going to be more than most people can take and something really awful is on the horizon if it happens.
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ooops, self deleted because it was in the wrong thread. :o
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Arizona? That sounds promising!
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