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Don Imus; and bad speaking - your voice
Topic Started: Apr 10 2007, 06:25 PM (479 Views)
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Ok, I know you have been watching the whole Don Imus bruhaha as it explodes. I never listen to shock jocks, but they are wealthy because of what they say. We have a standard of freedom of speech here in America and we also have a standard of equality. My question is: If Chris Rock had voiced the same expression, would the world court be burning him at the stake? Rap ,music contains much worse stuff and I hear that on the street very frequently even if I am not near the car whose driver is playing it.
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The good thing about all this is Imus is a staunch liberal and Al Sharptoungue is also. I love watching watching two Libs tear at each other. Its kinda telling if you ask me.
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Its fun watching lib vs lib BUT I am so sick of this BS whenever a white dude says something that offends a colored dude. Supposedly we cannot say the infamous 'N' word (what the hell is that word anyway "NO"???? Never??? Neanderthal??? and now we can't say what the blacks and black wannabe's say on TV, songs, and in the real world "Ho's"??? Or were the poor fools offended worried about the words "NAPPY HEADED". I can't count the number of times I've had a black dude complain to me about 'those nappy headed bitches' ... perhaps it is the MODERN phrase 'HO' that these PEOPLE are worried about? What the HE$$ is a HO?????? Do they mean whore??? Shame on America for bowing down to this abortion they call 'politically correct'!!!!

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You're right Condor, if Chris Rock had said those words - or any black commedian for that matter, it wouldn't have made a ripple.
We are all very lucky to have our Freedom's and I believe that some go above and beyond to 'scream' Freedom of Speech and use their words unwisely.
Thank goodness we still have the power to turn the channel and tune these people out of our lives!
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To be honest I totally agree that if it had been anyone else but a White person that said that, there would have been not a peep from Sharpton(one of the more abnoxious racists and bigots there is) or any of the others of his ilk.

People need to grow some thicker skins and quit looking for any excuse to play the race card against a White. The comment about cRap music is absolutely true. Let a White performer do those kinds of songs and they would be lynched immediately. It is always a one-sided deal when it is a White, but blacks and whatever else can say what they please without fear.
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Well this Stevie Wonder song has been running through my head since yesterday.

STEVIE WONDER LYRICS

"I Wish"

Looking back on when I
Was a little nappy headed boy
Then my only worry
Was for Christmas what would be my toy
Even though we sometimes
Would not get a thing
We were happy with the
Joy the day would bring

I didn't know "nappy headed" was another "N" word. And as far as "ho" goes, isn't that all you hear them say in their songs? I heard one woman say that this proves the door of racism is still open. I say, if it's open, it's your community holding it open. Why don't they listen to Bill Cosby who is trying to lift up the Black community? He understands that when they talk or sing like that they pull themselves down. Why is it if a black person speaks "articulately" (another word I didn't know had racist connotations) they say they're acting white, or an Uncle Tom? They don't hold themselves to any standards of morality and they get insulted when it gets carried over into the "White" community. When are the going to learn that if they want people to treat them with respect they have to behave respectfully first! And why don't the guys pull their damn pants up!
Before anybody gets all in a huff I'm not saying this about all Black people. Obviously I'm talking about the ones who talk the way Imus was immitating.
I know those girls on the basketball team didn't deserve those remarks from Imus, and yes I think he was wrong for saying that about them. He should have said it about Al Sharpton, have you seen his hair?
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We were discussing the Imus saga at work the other night and my very outspoken black friend hadn't heard about it. I explained, she "nappy headed? Imus is nappy headed...what's the big deal?"
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I'm "nappy headed" when I wake up or get wind blown, but I ain't no "Ho".

There was a class where the teacher was explaining farm implements;

He held up a rake and asked if anyone could explain what it is used for and a kid knew and explained what to do with it.

He held up a shovel, another kid answered and explained what is done with it.

He held up a hoe and a kid answered and explained what to do with it,,,,, then a nappy headed kid stood up and said that ain't no Ho, my sister beez a ho and she don't look nut'n like dat !

I suppose that means I'm a racist, a bigot, and all kinds of other bad things, now too.

It is a pity that Black folks don't ever say anything bad about other Blacks, other races, and other subjects, that aren't necessarily the right PC thing to say.

I have found out that I am expected to accept that only "White trash" and conservatives of any race can truly be racists.
:garfield:

You know things have gotten really bad you when we hear Rosie "the Bull" O'Donnal defending freedom of speech, but at the same time saying he was wrong.
Her's came across more like telling folks that businesses shouldn't go after the employees/punishing them for saying things they don't agree with or think they should have said.
Me thinks she was sending a message to her own bosses. :garfield:


While calling for the fireing of Imus, Jesse "rainbow" Jackson played down his "Hymmie" remarks by saying he didn't say it over the public media.

Al "Twana Brawley" Sharpton called for his fireing and of course we all know not so Sharpton is as pure as the driven snow.

These folks just smell a chance to be all offended and make a stink to show how great they are, as usual.

Don Imus has been a jerk for years and so have they.



Hey, did ya'll hear about the big Black man getting killed while driving at a high rate of speed down an Interstate in Alabama?

It was terrible ! Terrible !!!

He had stuck his head out the window to spit and his lips beat his brains out before he could get his head back in.

It is clear that some of them should listen to White trash songs more often;
The one about not pulling the mask off the old Lone Ranger, not mess'n around with Slim and not spitting into the wind, could have saved that man's life !

Granted, I don't think he had a whole lot of brains to begin with, but at least what he had could have been saved by listening to Whitey !

I mean lives could be saved here don't you see, do I have to get our little fren Ross Perot to show pie charts to get my point across, now now now, do I?

Now now now I have done identified the problem right here, so let's get Washington on the ball !!!
:)

A lot of ya'll know I am of Dutch, Irish, and Cherokee blood( not necessarily in that order) so I know you'll understand this;

In my deliberate sin'n days part of me tried to keep the fire water away from the Cherokee part of me, but the Irish part of me didn't want to drink alone, so all parts gave in and got really drunk and a fight broke out, but while that was going on the Dutch part of me kept wanting stick my finger in a Dike !

Now we all should know that if the Lord hadn't mercifully got my attention, I would surely got my Dutch fangers broke, my Irish butt kicked and the few brains I had finished being knocked out and my crazy drunk Cherokee part would have gone crazy and done something that shouldn't be do, because back then I had a full head of hair !!!

Oh noooo, I am a self racist, bigot, and so not PC.

I ought to fire myself, but won't.
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Linda,

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I know those girls on the basketball team didn't deserve those remarks from Imus, and yes I think he was wrong for saying that about them.



I agree 100% with this statement. The shock jocks get paid to be controversial and they are good at being just that ... but they are not my cup o' tea. I'd rather listen to some good oldies than their inane comments.

Besides, the dumbest, most disgusting thing I believe I can see or hear is some white dude or dudette trying to talk 'black'. I want to grab them up by their shirt collar and knock some down home into their worthless hides.

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TD, I don't listen to Imus or Howard Stern. I think Stern is vile and it's beyond me why anyone would pay to listen to him now that he's on Sirrius (sp?).

When I hear that ©rap coming from a car radio I cringe. It's so vulgar, I don't know how it's allowed on the air ways. There used to be laws against that kind of stuff. Those poor babies that are raised listening to that stuff; they don't have a chance to know what is good and decent.

And yes, when I see white people acting that way it makes me sick. Just goes to show you it's not a racist thing. Trash is trash no matter what color it comes in.

I heard one of the girls from the basketball team on t.v. today, and she said she thinks it's the hip-hop culture that made Imus think it was okay to say something like that. She's not part of that culture. She's working hard to get an education and go after the American dream. Imus's mistake was saying that about these girls. Now, on the other hand if he was watching Jerry Springer and said that, he would be right.

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MSNBC has dropped Don Imus.

I have not heard why he mentioned The Rutgers' women's basketball team in particular?

I want to post these comments form "Citizen Link:


4-10-2007

Imus Dishonors Remarkable Women
by Tom Minnery, senior vice president, government and public policy

Crass remarks overlook remarkable life achievements.

The despicable comments by radio shock jock Don Imus about the Rutgers women’s basketball team are a tragedy. And it’s an even greater heartbreak that all the media attention on Imus overlooks the remarkable group of women he dishonored.

This handful of brilliant players and one remarkable coach represent the best of up-from-the-bootstraps America. The Imus idiocy has cast them and their achievement into the shadows. What a pity.

It’s easy to dismiss Imus. He has built his career on saying outrageous, indecent, racist, even blasphemous things. He’s called Dr. Dobson a “nut” and even challenged him, on-air, to a fight. Nothing offensive that comes out of his mouth should surprise anyone. That’s who he is.

The players’ stories, on the other hand, are inspiring.

For example:

Sophomore standout Essence Carlson was a straight-A student in high school who, besides basketball, plays piano, bass guitar, drums, and saxophone. She is also a gifted writer. Hardly a person who merits Imus’ characterization.

Epiphanny Price’s tight-knit religious family helped her survive the mean streets of Brooklyn. Now she’s blossoming as a math student, pursuing a business degree and, after that, law school.

Matee Avajon was born in Liberia, came to America as a frightened 6-year-old in 1992 to join her mother, who had left the family behind in the care of a grandmother while she searched for a better life for her kids in this country. Her mother’s name is Patience. Her middle name should be Courage.

The most remarkable women associated with this team is the coach, Vivian Stringer, who is about to take her place in the top ranks of women’s history, black history and sports history. Already Sports Illustrated has named her among the 101 most influential minority figures in sports.

She was raised in a close-knit family led by her father, a coal-miner. When he died, Vivian’s mother went to work to support five children on much less income. Vivian’s high school had no women’s basketball team, so she became the school’s first black cheerleader.

In a few years, she married, and her husband, Bill, took a job at Cheyney State, one of the nation’s oldest black colleges. At age 23 and barely older than the students, Vivian volunteered to become the women’s basketball coach. During her school’s first-ever trip to the NCAA finals in 1982, her infant daughter was stricken with near-fatal meningitis.

In 1992, Vivian’s husband died suddenly of a heart attack. She raised the three children by herself, and her daughter remains severely challenged from the effects of the meningitis. She left her coaching job (at Iowa) and moved to Rutgers so she could be closer to extended family.

Over the years, at Iowa and Rutgers, she recorded a 251-52 won-loss record, took 11 teams to NCAA tournaments, and is the only women’s basketball coach to lead two different schools to the final Four.

Her story and those of her players display uncommon courage and perseverance in the pursuit of sports goals and, more importantly, life goals.

What a pity that Don Imus has pushed them aside.
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It wasn't that long ago that the F-word wouldn't deplete a real lady, or have a true gentleman knowing what kind of person he was up against who used that word. I suppose it was used for shock, to make a person feel afraid. Now days, it's become just another word with a lot of people; and we have to find a new way of being negative.
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I've seen Imus in the morning and he is always disgusting. I checked it yesterday and he's acting sooooo sorry and humble. Remember kids, you can't spell crap without rap. :D
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SIBS-----crap without rap???? TOOO Funny.

As for Imus and his crude, rude, socially unacceptable, common, course and cheap comments.....

Turn him off.

It's that simple. I don't listen to Howard Stern. He's vile. I don't listen to or watch Imus. He's rude, as his remarks bear out.

Rosie.....Don't like her, never did, and wouldn't pay good money to hear her hypocrisy.

My heroes when it comes to commentary?

I like Charlie Daniels. I like Paul Harvey. Bill Cosby puts forth some good ideas. Neal Boorts has some good comments. Dave Ramsey is right. Cash is King and Debt is DUMB. And too, I like Dr. Laura. Say what you will about her, she's right a fair amount of the time. She doesn't back down from her own opinions unless you prove her wrong, and she supports our Troops and our Country. Her son serving is dead bang proof of that. For the most part, the people I've listed make their livings trying to turn something good, out of something not quite so good.

Imus, Stern, and O'Donnell??? From what I've heard the short times I've listened to them, they're just plain rude.

And Duke? Ya best watch making comments about putting your Dutch fingers in a Dike. Ms. O'Donnell might take offense. Or take you up on the "offer". Then where would you be??? :garfield:
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:garfield:

Now did little old me spell Dike wrong?

Paaause...

Paaause...
Papapapaaause...

Well, I thought about it some and looked the words "dike and dyke" up in my dictionary.

I found that the spellings "dike and dyke" can both be used to mean an earthen dam like in Holland you know with the Dutch folks, or like
Rosie" The Bull Dike/Dyke" O'Donnel.

Well, I was talking about my deliberate sin'n days so, I really did mean Dike/Dyke as a play off my Dutch ancestry.

Ain't no use in me trying to get out of this one.
I suuure could talk up a storm trying to though, ya'll know it.

I just won't sign the bottom like I usually do, that way nobody will know it was me done rit this mess.
:thinking about it:

Ooooh, about the part about Roise the Bull taking me up on it!

Well, I'd be running like a scolded dog and I'd be calling heavy on the Lord for sure, that would truly be a
fervent prayer !!!


I do think I could kick her butt in a head on fight though or die trying, always nice to have a back up plan on something like Rosie. :cb15:
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This is an article by Jason Whitlock, who just happens to be a black man. He's pretty controversial here, folks either love him or hate him. Mainly cause he bad mouths the sports teams, who in my opinion need to be bad mouthed a bit! I think he's right on with this article.


http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

COMMENTARY
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com
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SIBS-----crap without rap???? TOOO Funny.

As for Imus and his crude, rude, socially unacceptable, common, course and cheap comments.....

Turn him off.

It's that simple. I don't listen to Howard Stern. He's vile. I don't listen to or watch Imus. He's rude, as his remarks bear out.

Rosie.....Don't like her, never did, and wouldn't pay good money to hear her hypocrisy.

My heroes when it comes to commentary?

I like Charlie Daniels. I like Paul Harvey. Bill Cosby puts forth some good ideas. Neal Boorts has some good comments. Dave Ramsey is right. Cash is King and Debt is DUMB. And too, I like Dr. Laura. Say what you will about her, she's right a fair amount of the time. She doesn't back down from her own opinions unless you prove her wrong, and she supports our Troops and our Country. Her son serving is dead bang proof of that. For the most part, the people I've listed make their livings trying to turn something good, out of something not quite so good.

Imus, Stern, and O'Donnell??? From what I've heard the short times I've listened to them, they're just plain rude.

And Duke? Ya best watch making comments about putting your Dutch fingers in a Dike. Ms. O'Donnell might take offense. Or take you up on the "offer". Then where would you be??? :garfield:

Dave Ramsey rules!! My daughter, 16 at the time. taught me the crap/rap thing. She always a smart girl. :D You're right about Dr Laura too. I don't always agree with her, but I think she truly believes what she says and ya can't ask any more than that for someone.
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"And Duke? Ya best watch making comments about putting your Dutch fingers in a Dike. Ms. O'Donnell might take offense."

great line!
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This does show why certain leaders always want an apology when they have the slightest excuse. They ask time after time for our President to apologise. They don't want an apology - all they want is leverage. An apology is just that to them and they have proven it with this whole issue. They take the apology and use it to dig even deeper. I really agree with Jason Whitlock. He gets it as does Bill Cosby. Imus had made a fortune by appealing to the black population and that is what he nwas trying to do when he phrased his comments as they would. If he had been trying to insult them, he would have done it in English instead of ubonics. He knows how to talk! He was just trying to sound like the people they listen to and buy from every day. It is justice that they all turned on him. There is a lsesson here that we all should pay attention to.
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I can say with great pleasure that I hardly know who you're talking about, (i.e. Rosie, shock jocks, etc.) After about 3 words out of each of their mouths, that was enough to tell me they had nothing to say I wanted to hear. I wish I was always that perceptive. :jus-passin-thru:
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UPDATE 8:19AM: Imus said that one of the "sad ironies of my stupidity" is that, at his ranch, "we sent six kids home because they couldn't stop calling girls bitches and hos."


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Imus Ranch info from Wikipedia

One good thing Imus had done over the years, he runs a ranch for kids. He brings in children with cancer and SIDS (?) and for 10 days lets them do kid things ... remember playing cowboy? They get this opportunity. Racial makeup is not a concern here, it is the kids that are important.

Certain 'black' leaders want to keep the appearance of racism alive in order to keep their coffers full ... you wouldn't have seen any of them if a photo op wasn't likely after Imus uttered his now famous words.

I see where some enterprising Ebayers are now selling teddy bears with t-shirts that say 'Nappy Headed Ho' ... wonder if Jesse or Al have Ebay accounts???
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Imus' comment was insultin, but it didnt warrant the media attention that it got, nor the punishment that he got for it..

I have a feelin that Sharpton is gonna get a lot of back-talk and ill will directed at him after he has used this situation for his personal gain tho.. The lower-class blacks and the black "culture" are not gonna be happy about him bringin attention and disdain to their "artistic expression" .. Sharpton and Jackson are attractin a lot of adverse attention to Gangsta Culture and their attempts to stifle Imus' expression of Free Speech is also gonna be applied to the whole of the broadcastin industry.. Can you say "censorship" ??

The GANGSTA lifestyle is on par with the Mooselimb Extremists.. They are both Dirtbags and a scourge on our Society.. They both exploit our Freedoms and form of Justice for their own causes.. They are both violent, yet kill more of their own than anybody else.. They are both self-destructive yet want to blame everybody else for creatin their own problems..

If they keep pokin a stick at this, it has the potential of becomin a major problem in race relations in this country.. Not that there aint enuff stress on race relations already cause of the illegals and CAIR !!

If the Liberals see a chance of em gettin re-elected, well, they may just try to get bein White outlawed !!

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If this is what it takes to get ©rap off the air that's alright with me.
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Toothless Dawg,Apr 13 2007
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Certain 'black' leaders want to keep the appearance of racism alive in order to keep their coffers full ... you wouldn't have seen any of them if a photo op wasn't likely after Imus uttered his now famous words.

SP, you sure got that right. They have nothing if there isn't some racial problem somewhere. Where was the outrage when these two were attacking the Jews and calling them heimies(sp)? Why is CBS still putting out cd's with ganster crap using worse language than Imus. I'm no Imus supporter and I don't agree with most anything he says, but you're also right that he does give a lot back. FYI - Sids is sudden infant death syndrome. He is active in the research to stop it.
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legitlinda,Apr 13 2007
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If this is what it takes to get ©rap off the air that's alright with me.

I saw a few prominent black leaders on Fox saying ©rap is their next step. Sharpton being one. Don't know if he's being truthful this time.... <_< I also saw 2 different goofs (rappers) saying it's okay for them to say it - but many people disagree! I saw some goof blaming the "white person" for gangsta rap being so popular. They said it wouldn't be out there if the "white man" wasn't making money on it. The black people making money on it, deserved the money and don't count :huh:

Regardless, I agree LL - if this gets that junk off the air....FANTASTIC!!!!
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I watched Charles Barkley (former NBA star) on the news this morning along with the Black Coaches Association. Mr. Barkley stated that he thought it was wrong to fire Imus after the Rutgers team had decided to accept his apology. Several members of the Black Coaches Association made the same statement. They said that it would have been better to accept the apology and move on, forgive and forget, but that it had went too far in the firing.

I don't know anything about Imus as I had never heard of him until a few days ago, but I tend to agree with what Charles Barkley said on the news this morning.
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Good for Charles Barkley and the Black Coaches Association! I'm really surprised because I always thought Barkley was a bit of a jerk and didn't like his attitude.
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