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| Hands Tied; Law enforcement can't do their jobs | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 15 2007, 09:46 AM (279 Views) | |
| Toothless Granny | Feb 15 2007, 09:46 AM Post #1 |
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Hey, everyone! I get the "feeling" that some of you out there either are or have been in law enforcement of one kind or another. I know most of you guys are vets or serving our country now. Here's the delima: My son has recently become a sheriff's deputy. He made a routine speeding stop the other night (76 in a 55). The driver handed him a Mexican drivers' license, and no insurance papers. The car was registered in our state. He tried to run the license, and couldn't. His superior told him they couldn't run wants and warrents on Mexicans. He tried to run the car plates, and the dispatcher said he wasn't touching that one. He had to turn them loose without so much as a warning. He was angry and frustrated that because they're illegal aliens, they can get away with breaking our laws without consequences. By the way, the Mexican drivers' license expired in 2005. Do any of you have any information that could help our poor, backward, lazy sheriffs' dept.? (Lazy pertaining to the dispatcher and office people who're supposed to support our boys out there) Granny |
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| bsb006 | Feb 15 2007, 10:58 AM Post #2 |
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I've got no advise, but I know had that been me pulled over, I would've had a speeding ticket, my car would've been impounded, I would've had citations for expired driver's license and no insurance. Probably an trip costing and extra $1,000 or more. and people want tolerance????? unbelievable. |
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| Almtnman | Feb 15 2007, 12:02 PM Post #3 |
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As bad as I hate to say this; this is coming from the Bush administration. I voted for Bush, but I don't agree with his views on illegal immigrants at all. He has the police departments hands tied and there's not much they can do anymore. I don't know why he won't do anything. It's as if when it gets to illegal immigrants he clams up and it's a one way street for them. Everyone that is here legally, they don't have the same rights as illegals. It's unreal! I think the problem lies in, our leaders don't listen to who elects them to office anymore.
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| Duke | Feb 15 2007, 01:49 PM Post #4 |
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I campaigned for Pres. Bush in both elections and he hasn't let me down on everything, he sure has let the whole country down with the illegal alien invasion. Our total border must be made secure and the activity taking place against our enforcement officers must absolutely must stop !!! All illegal aliens are illegal period. I think, I remember the Pres. calling the Minute Men vigilanties, well Mr. Pres. what are you on this serious matters??? Does being an elected official make one worthy of selling out his own country? No Sir, it does not. I don't know the proper term for what our "some" of our leaders are doing, but treason, traitor, sell out, back stabber, anti-American, etc., etc. seems to have enough words to at least point at the facts. I love our Pres., but that love does not mean I am supposed to support anyone that stabs our country in the back. As sorry as he has turned out to be on some very important matters, that doesn't take away the fact that he was the best among the ones that he ran against and that ran against him at the times, we still wound up getting the dirty end of the stick in ways. Thanks for reading my off the top of my head thoughts. God do help America is my fervent cry in prayer, Duke |
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| legitlinda | Feb 15 2007, 02:21 PM Post #5 |
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I wrote this the other day in response to Condor's thread "Sticking together", and then I didn't post it, but now I'm going to. It explains what I think is behind President Bush's lack luster immigration policies and why he won't secure the border.
Read This More And still more |
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| Almtnman | Feb 15 2007, 03:10 PM Post #6 |
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Thanks for posting those links. It appears after reading those articles that Bush has something else in mind than what we stand for. One thing is for sure, he doesn't listen to the people that put him in office. |
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| Wild Bill | Feb 15 2007, 03:10 PM Post #7 |
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Granny, this so complicated that I dont know if I have all the info, whether it si still current or not, or even whether what I DO have is even close to right. But, here is the picture that I have been given of the situation.. I've been told that this is Country-Wide and not just a Local problem.. The biggest problem seems to be that there aint enuff jail space to hold all the illegal FELONS that they catch, let alone the speeders and misdemeaner cases.. And in cases where they do have the jail space, the Feds wont reimburse the Counties for holdin em.. Most Counties are cash-strapped already and dont have the funds to hold em without the pay-back from the Gubmint.. The NEXT-BIGGEST problem is the ACLU/Civil Rights and Immigration Lawyers that pounce on Courts and Police Jurisdictions as soon as they put an Illegal in jail.. The lawyers tie-up all the Court Proceedins to where nothin gets done in the Courts because of the Illegal Prosecutions.. Even if there were jail space and reimbursements, our taxes would have to be 10 times what they are now to be able to hire all the Court-Appointed lawyers to represent all the illegals, hire all the extra Judges to hear the cases, and BUILD all the extra Courtrooms and hire Baliffs to handle the workload.. This problem goes back to the time when Prez Reagan granted Amnesty to somethin like 13 million illegals back durin his time in office.. He SET A PRECEDENT then that all the ones since have used as a pattern of their handlin of the matter.. But since that time, the Liberal Supreme Court has given even more leeway for the Illegals to be set free when picked-up by the Cops, and expanded their Civil Rights to not even be questioned as to their Legal Status .. And then you take into account all the law suits that come from arrests of even the LEGAL RESIDENTS, not to mention the ILLEGAL ones, and it just aint possible for the Cities and Counties to be able to afford to STOP these people, let alone ARREST em.. A case in point is the Land Owner in South Texas, on the border, that ran some illegals of his Ranch when they were tresspassin on it.. The illegals sued him and TOOK his Ranch from him !! Now you have Border Agents goin to jail for doin their jobs, and Sheriff's Deputies bein tried for shootin at illegals tryin to run over em, and even The National Guard havin to RUN from em !! And I have to admit that it chaps my hide that people try to blame G.W. for this.. He has been raked over the coals for the past few years for just BENDED the Rules to get somethin accomplished(NSA Wiretaps)(GITMO Trials)(Border Fence)(John Bolton to the U.N.)(SCOTUS Appointments)(munitions to Israel), let alone BREAK the Laws to do somethin about this problem.. Remember the sand that was raised in Congress over puttin The Guard on the Border ?? Not to mention the protests in the streets across the U.S. by MILLIONS of people.. Thats why I'm so hard-headed about electin TRUE CONSEVATIVES and not just makin-do with Conservative-Lites !! It dont do us a bit of good to have a strong, consevative Prez if he dont have the backin of a strong, conservative Congress !! Not countin the soon-aftermath of 9-11-01, when was the last time that you saw G.W. get MASS-BACKIN for anythang he has tried to do ?? Hell, G.W. caint even hold Terrorists in GITMO, let alone arrest and prosecute illegals(prospective DEM Voters).. EVERY TIME G.W. tries to be a TRUE CONSERVATIVE and DO somethin CONSERVATIVE, the RINOs run across the Isle and yell "I'M ON THEIR SIDE" !! So until we get some REAL CONSERVATIVES elected we are gonna have this Illegal Problem, no, DISASTER, and we are gonna wind-up hip-deep in these Mall Shooters, and very possibly even Road-Side Bombs on the Hiways of America !! Whats to stop em ?? John McCain or Rudy Guiliani ?? THANK AGAIN !! |
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| Duke | Feb 15 2007, 03:24 PM Post #8 |
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I wrote a long post and realized it was too far off topic and I moved it to where it belongs. My pardons. Thanks, Duke |
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| Wild Bill | Feb 15 2007, 03:37 PM Post #9 |
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I hate to admit it, but I can see where/why G.W. is tryin to do somethin to save us, when it comes to the ties he is tryin to build with Mexico and Canada.. UNITED WE STAND.. DIVIDED WE FALL !! Just thank for a minute of what would happen if the EU actually did get their stuff in-one-sock and became a REAL UNION .. WHO is the EU's major, and almost ONLY Energy Supplier ?? RUSSIA !! A little recent history about Russia: Held Joint Military War Games with China and is sellin Military Warships and Hardware to em.. Had close ties to Saddam.. STILL has close ties to Iran.. Who has close ties to Chavez, Castro, Hezbollah, Syria, Egypt, and most of Central and South America.. STILL has close ties to Syria.. Is in talks to start a NUKULAR Program in Saudi .. How many of the terrorists was it that came from Saudi on 9-11 ?? Has within the last year cut fuel supplies to the EU TWICE.. Has allowed Enriched Uranium and Palodium 10 onto the Black Market and possibly into the hands of terrorists that want to NUKE the U.S. .. Has blocked any USEFULL U.N. Sanctions against Iran and North Korea .. To allow Canada and Mexico to be taken away from our ALLY List just caint be allowed !! |
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| Duke | Feb 15 2007, 04:04 PM Post #10 |
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Wild Bill, You made some very good points there and some I remember mentioning on another web site a while back. I think that would make a very good topic from that point of view to discuss the pros and cons, the prices, advantages and disadvantages, etc. It would be a big topic and very well worth it. Thanks, Duke |
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| Wild Bill | Feb 15 2007, 05:02 PM Post #11 |
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There is a lot more to it than that, Duke, but I didnt want to hijack the Topic and only wanted to put up a few ideas and see if the "bait" would be taken.. This is another one of those "EVILS" that we have coasted along and let sneak up behind us and left us with not enuff options to.. Altho it does have a lot to do with Granny's post here, it does kinda vear from the Main Point and has questions and answers totally different from it.. But the connection is unmistakeable and might help explain why the Border Fence hasnt been built a long time ago and the reason why.. Here is somethin that DOES have to do with this subject, I thank, altho I still havent decided whether its Good or Bad.. I've HEARD somethin, whether its true or not I dont know.. There are supposed to be prisons bein built and organized and manned in the Border States.. Prisons that are supposed to be able to handle THOUSANDS of inmates.. For who and what they are for is just another question to me.. But knowin Al Q in America (the media) like I do, I have no doubt that as soon as they find out anythang they will let The Whole World know too !! And like Forrest said "and thats all I gotta say about thait" !! |
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| legitlinda | Feb 15 2007, 05:10 PM Post #12 |
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Followed Duke to the other thread! :lol: |
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| legitlinda | Feb 15 2007, 05:13 PM Post #13 |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this topic. I just thought it tied into why our Police Officers hands are tied when it comes to Illegal Immigrants. |
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| legitlinda | Feb 15 2007, 05:15 PM Post #14 |
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Oh great Duke, where'd ya move it to because my long post was in response to your post. :lol: |
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| Duke | Feb 15 2007, 05:38 PM Post #15 |
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L Linda, I'm sorry, I moved it to "Sticking together". I wasn't trying to pull a trick, it was very long and mine didn't belong in this topic. Forgive the my mess up, it wasn't my intention to cause any confusion. Something pretty just for you; Wild Bill, I hope what I wrote didn't come across as being rude to you, didn't mean it that way. I just meant what you mentioned within your post was well worth its own topic, because I truly think it will be a very much posted on one. This for you, it is a guy thing, both of us appreciate; I thank both of you for all the good things you post and stand for, Duke |
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| Wild Bill | Feb 15 2007, 06:07 PM Post #16 |
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I know that I've got some tuff old hide but I didnt see nothin that could have been taken as rude anywhere in there.. I can take most anythang anybody says, as long as they leave my Mama and my Family out of it.. I have a real bad habit of bein stingy with my "sugar-coatin" when I write stuff and I hope I dont step on too many toes with my straight-speakin but I just plain refuse to "talk around" somethin.. That leaves way too much room for cornfusion !! I go to GREAT lengths to try and get as much info on stuff I'm interested in as I can and am always interested in what other folks have to say.. I just hope that my opinionated nature and my enthusiasum to express it dont turn anybody off and make em not want to comment on somethin I have to say or a subject at-hand.. If I get on ya'lls nerves dont have a second-thought about tellin me so.. Like I said, I've a got a thick skin !! A lady on the Yahoo Group I'm on has gotten used to tellin me to "shut up and drank your beer" !! Works for me.. |
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| legitlinda | Feb 15 2007, 06:13 PM Post #17 |
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]Aaaaaaw....how sweet, thanks Duke they're beautiful!
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| bonds7 | Feb 16 2007, 12:02 AM Post #18 |
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Granny, I don't have any helpful info, but the city that I live in, Charlotte, NC and some of the surrounding counties is in a dilemma too. We have a great Representative by the name of Sue Myrick who has been working her bunns off for quite a few years to get something done about the illegals. but it appears she is fighting a loosing battle. We have had quite a few illegal Mexcians that have been deported 3 & 4 times and they just keep coming back. These same ones end up killing people driving drunk, and in the past year have killed a young school teacher, his wife is in a nursing home with sever brain damage and a little girl with no parents. I think the latest victim was this past week end, a beautiful young pregnant mother who left behind a small daughter. Sue Myrick is sick of it and wants a federal prison built here and quit sending them back, but don't think it will happen. I wish we did have some answers! I thank each of you for the good information and links, and by the way Linda I saved your links in my favs. My hubby has been getting on to me about staying up half the nite some times reading from these web sites and trying to keep abreast of what's going on, says he misses his bed - warmer. I don't know about you folks, but some times I just have to take a break from all the info and rest the ole brain, it can make you a little dizzy at times. Wanda |
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| Condor | Feb 16 2007, 12:19 AM Post #19 |
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I figure that the time to deal with the immigrant issue is after we defend our continent from becoming part of the Islamic shining path. One major issue at the time, if you please. While the Mexicans are populating our nation, they aren't doing it by flying aircraft into the world trade center. They are there as are the Canadians. They are bound to us by land. They aren't trying to kill us. They work cheap and until we keep paying good Americans to stay home and build meth labs, we need Mexican labor. (The solution to the Mexican problem is for us to do away with minimum wage and welfare - problem gone) They cook great food and raise produce in Mexico like crazy. They have some criminal element and that has to be delt with. I lived and travelled extensively down there. They treat their women like human beings and are kind to animals. Folks, they are not all bad - they are not trying to take over the world and kill anyone who disagrees with them. Get some perspective here. That and they have petroleum supplies that are not their only means of survival. They do not see energy development as a threat to their life style. |
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| Duke | Feb 16 2007, 02:50 AM Post #20 |
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Wild Bill, Well said and I thank you, Duke |
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| legitlinda | Feb 16 2007, 03:25 AM Post #21 |
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Condor, I don't think we are saying that all Mexicans are bad. Don't forget my very best friend Cottonpicker was born in Tijuana. I have known her and her extended family for over 35 years, not to mention I have lived in San Diego for 35 years. I know many people of Mexican descent. They are good, hard working, God loving, and patriotic people. Those aren't the ones we're worried about. But I also see the damage the illegals do to our economy, our schools, our healthcare, and our safety. I see the criminal element, the gang culture. They don't want to assimilate. They have no allegiance to the United States and don't give a hoot about our laws. Check this out They come in almost at will in unheard of numbers, and there's no end in sight precisely because they are attached to us. It's not like other immigrants that we have some kind of control of who we let in and how many. Besides all of that the borders are a huge security breach. The terrorists come here through Mexico just as easy as the Mexicans do. If vans full of illegals, and hundreds of pounds of drugs can get across don't you think the terrorists can do the same thing with weapons? Yes Mexico has natural resources, you wouldn't know it though by looking at the people who are living in poverty. That's why they want to come here, their country doesn't take care of them. Mexico is a corrupt country from the top to the bottom. Did you read the article I posted about the Police having their guns taken away because of the corruption? Now they carry sling shots. The illegal immigrants and porous borders are a huge problem as far as I'm concerned. |
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| Almtnman | Feb 16 2007, 09:22 AM Post #22 |
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I agree with linda on this one. I have no problem with people migrating to this country as long as it's done legal like many others have done before. The migration here by illegal means, I have a serious problem with. For number 1, it's against the law and they are breaking the laws of our land by doing that. Number 2, when they come here illegally, I feel the same as Linda, they don't give a hoot about allegiance to this country. I live in an area where these migrants workers come to every summer to work. They trash the road sides with all their trash. I have followed many of them and watched them throw everything that they didn't want out their truck windows. They do that because it's not their country and like Linda said, they don't give a hoot. Then my county has to send out workers to pick up all this trash several times a year which is costing taxes to be wasted by doing that. They drive vehicles with no drivers license, no insurance and if you have an accident with one, you're insurance will fix your own vehicle and you will never get a penny from the person that caused the accident. My co-worker was inside a fast food joint picking up some burgers when an illegal immigrant backed into his truck in the parking lot and destroyed the bed of my friends truck, about $4,000 damage. The police came and didn't do a thing and my friends insurance had to pay for his own truck causing his insurance to go up. He never got a penny from anyone and could never figure out how to contact the people that backed into his truck as they didn't have an address that could be traced. My problem lies with the illegal part of migration and I will continue to have that problem as long as it keeps happening. Come to this country the way that all the other people have did it by legal means and I will accept anyone as another American, pure and simple. |
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| Condor | Feb 16 2007, 09:28 AM Post #23 |
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My point was and still is that we shouldn't let issues like immigration fog the 2008 election. That happened in the last election and look at the results. Vote for either of the two major parties in 2008 and then work on the immigration problem. You can still work on it, but in the current situation, talk about voting for a third party is just crazy talk. Yiou can't influence the Republicans with pressure at the polls either. Currently, that is just too dangerous. If you want to influence your leadership on the immigrant issue, do it on the phone, in the mail and on the web! Because of this issue, we now have Pelozi as queen of the world!!!!!!You can believe that Pelozi does a little dance when she hears anyone talking about how Bush has mishandled the immigration issue. That is the means to the end as far as she and her kind are concerned. Anything that splits the party is good for liberal leadership. They are so treacherous that they would buss Mexicans in on the one hand and promise to stop them completely with any means on the other! |
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| bonds7 | Feb 16 2007, 10:11 AM Post #24 |
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Condor, I hope you don't think that i'm picking on the Mexcians, i'm not, but where I live it has really gotten out of control with illegals and as I said before quite a few people & families in a year's time have been killed by drunk illegals that have been deported over and over. This is what this thread was about, I thought, "Hands Tied." I have two young Mexcian friends that I love dearly and they consider me their second mom. They have told me that the ones with money and good jobs does not want to leave, and too many of the criminals are the ones getting into the USA. Maybe I should haved added more, but didn't think it was necessary, any way thanks Linda and James for your post, my thoughts excatly. Wanda |
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| Condor | Feb 16 2007, 04:24 PM Post #25 |
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No, I didn't think that. When you think about the latin crime situation here in the United States, just remember that most of it is drug based. Drug users are the real enemy. Without them, there would be a lot less social problems. Drug users are persons who have been either lured or forced into addiction by drug dealers with a lust for wealth. Making drugs legal would do a lot toward stopping the drug dealers in that it would remove the massive, untaxed profits from the industry and that would resolve some of the immigrant crime problems too. You folks may have noticed that I don't go exactly nuts over any proposed interstate between Mexico and Canada. I see that as natural evolution. I know that eventually, this whole continent has to become one strong nation. Besides that, I look forward to being able to drive from Alabama to Bolivia with safe highways, good hotels and decent restaurants all along the way with no fear of the local police. I see that as a dream. Imagine being able to get into your car and drive anyplace on either continent witho8ut having to cross borders - like driving from New York to Miami! think about that. The objective is not to stop the highway (if it is a reality), but to make it an everyday thing. |
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| Duke | Feb 16 2007, 05:19 PM Post #26 |
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>Making drugs legal would do a lot toward stopping the drug dealers in that it would remove the massive, untaxed profits from the industry and that would resolve some of the immigrant crime problems too.< Pony up boys !!! Vominos el caballos!!! ![]()
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