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Sticking together; for the win!
Topic Started: Feb 11 2007, 11:08 AM (736 Views)
legitlinda
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Condor,Feb 12 2007
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legitlinda,Feb 12 2007
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Toothless Dawg,Feb 11 2007
05:44 PM
You're right!!! We can NEVER stop the fight ... even if the powers that be decide against us, it is still our fight for our kids, grandkids, and future generations. Now we are facing battles on all fronts ... it is time for us to circle the wagons and shoot in all directions. We must decide who will work for America and who will work against America ... the choice should be easy ............................... but it isn't

The fight will go on, but if the Republicans won't do it, maybe it's time to look for a different party....

Linda, all that will do is to assure that we address the President as "Madame President" in the future. Looking for another party will just dilute the vote and give the Democrats what they lust for.

Condor, I understand what you're saying and I have alway thought the same way too. After what Perot did I never thought I would be where I am today, but I feel like the Republican Party has betrayed us and they don't deserve our votes.

I'll tell you one thing I realize in hinesight is that when George Bush said that he's a "Compassionate Conservative", what he was really meant is that he leans to the left. I'm sorry I ever fell for that one.

We have two years before the election and that's plenty of time to see if there's someone who can be trusted with our votes.

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I hear ya. I want this Republican party to get some fire in their belly once again. There is no excuse why partial birth abortion is still legal. There is no excuse why the supreme court still has the power to override the will of the people. There is no excuse for the President telling people to believe that Islam is a religion of Peace (has he never seen what the Muslims teach their kids in textbooks)why do we give financial aid to places that harbor terrorist like the Palistinians, Eqypt, Indonesia,Jordan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Morroco ( to heck with good will, they sure don't have any toward us) There is no reason why this Lie about no WMDs in Iraq is aloud to flourish, when we know good and well Saddam had them and the President cowed down to the press ( I still don't quite know what happened there)
Why on Gods green earth won't they do something meaningful to stop illegals from illegaly invading, smuggling drugs, committing all kinds of crime and taking this country down the tubes. Why do we still kiss the U.N.'s butt, we shouldn't pay in another red cent to that Commie organization ever!!!!!
I know the Repubs didn't bring all this about but we have had the majority in both houses and the Presidency and still have all this garbage that wasn't dealt with cause they were to busy playing patty cake with the Globalist, Give it all away, Tax Americans to death (literally) anti-war, baby killin, God haten Devilcrats.
At least they got the economy going for them, to bad the press will never say it
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It is still going to come down to you vote for the Democrats or against them. Against them is Republican, for them is anything else. I don't see anyone being fielded for our side either, but I would vote for almost anyone they put up there before I would give my vote to anyone the liberals put up. I say almost. If you remember the last election, I was forced to vote for a Dim for governor because the conservative candidate is such a crook. I hated that decision. The only thing that made it digestable was that I wasn't voting for or against the survival of civilization. Our Alabama governor is pretty small potatos in the scope of what is going on today.
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I hear you Condor
I know I just hate settlin for status quoe and the dog and pony show, ya know?
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Im on the CHM board with a reply for you too.
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Duke - well said.

"If all the Christians didn't vote, it would surely make a difference, but if all the Christians do vote and continue to work within the party and help it to go in the right direction, that too will make a difference.

The Christians along with other values voters have made a big difference and have a lot to be thankful for.

Each person should vote or not vote as they choose.

It is written and has been quoted many times;

"A house divided against itsself cannot stand".

I will not at this time further divide the house intentionally.

I pray that we will have a person that is worthy of my vote, because that person stands closer to what His will is.

Thanks,

Duke "
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Condor,Feb 12 2007
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It is still going to come down to you vote for the Democrats or against them. Against them is Republican, for them is anything else. I don't see anyone being fielded for our side either, but I would vote for almost anyone they put up there before I would give my vote to anyone the liberals put up. I say almost. If you remember the last election, I was forced to vote for a Dim for governor because the conservative candidate is such a crook. I hated that decision. The only thing that made it digestable was that I wasn't voting for or against the survival of civilization. Our Alabama governor is pretty small potatos in the scope of what is going on today.

What he said!!!!
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First look at his stance on the Iraq War:

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Ron Paul, a Texas congressman, is a paleolibertarian (and Libertarian Party presidential nominee in 199, but also has been classified as a "paleoconservative," "conservative constitutionalist," or "fusionist," and has general conservative/libertarian appeal. Ron Paul is opposed to amnesty, and receives a grade of B+ by ABI. He is pro-Constitution, pro-small government, pro-states rights, pro-religion, pro-values, pro-life, and advocates returning to the states the legality of abortion. Paul also has become skeptical of free trade and the NAFTA superhighway. He was famously one of six Republicans to vote against the illegal neocon war in Iraq, and was one of three representatives to vote against the socialist ''No Child Left Behind.'' He also has one of the largest grassroots support networks of any member of Congress.


Here is some of his voting record: click on link to see it all.

hinder protection of the country in the GWOT

I think I would rather Billary than that!!!!! And that right there is pretty scary!!!!

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I don't want to divide the house, I just want somebody to run that is from the house. Gulioni and McCain ain't from the house. Conservitism is what it is and doesn't need to be watered down anymore or it will be no different than Liberalism. Can you imagine having Dems run congress with a Liberal Repub as President. Then you would have queen Nancy instead of Queen Bee, (I also pray we can take the congress back in 08) I don't see heck of allot of difference. We got a while yet and I am of the 'wait and see crowd' too. They better not wait to long. The Hill and Bill show is gaining steam daily now.
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08:29 AM
They better not wait to long. The Hill and Bill show is gaining steam daily now.
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One good thing that is on our side is the dems have decided to get into it early on. Hillary and muck muck obombo have already made some mistakes in their speeches and that's going to happen more and more. Then they skeltons in their closets are going to start popping out, like the Rose Law firm scenario and why iot took so long for the records to turn up.

Maybe our best bet is for our side to not get into it too early and also we might have some better contenders for when the race gets seriuos. Right now, it's just some play acting going on and mistakes are being made. Ol obombo done made a serious one when he made the statement about all the lives wasted in Iraq. That's a turn off for all the people associated with military that has friends or lost loved ones there. He knows it was a mistake and is backtracking on that one trying to get it right. Once mistakes are made, it's hard to turn them around. Hillary said a month ago that she supported the war and now she doesn't and that's another mistake that was pointed out when she refused to answer why. She tried to turn it on Bush and it backfired on her.
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Almtnman,

I'll testify to that.

"When a mistake is made it is haaard to get out of." :)

Thanks, Good post, "it sings",

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Did anybody watch O'Reilly last night and hear what two of John Edwards blog employees have been writing? The God/Christian hating filth is the worst that I have ever heard. Everytime I think about it I have to quickly think of something else to get it out of my mind.

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Here's a link to a clip of O'Reilly and Michelle Malking talking about it. It doesn't have what the two bloggers wrote included in clip.
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legitlinda,Feb 13 2007
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Did anybody watch O'Reilly last night and hear what two of John Edwards blog employees have been writing?  The God/Christian hating filth is the worst that I have ever heard.  Everytime I think about it I have to quickly think of something else to get it out of my mind. 

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Here's a link to a clip of O'Reilly and Michelle Malking talking about it.  It doesn't have what the two bloggers wrote included in clip.



Here's a little bit of what was said for you:

Catholic Leader Urges John Edwards to Fire Second Blogger After One Quits

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Democratic presidential contender John Edwards isn't fit to be president if he can't even fire a campaign Web logger who offended a large voter constituency, the president of the nation's largest Catholic civil rights group said Tuesday.

“If he can’t make a decision of this sort to get rid of bigots on your payroll, then he’s essentially disqualifying himself from the White House. I think he’s finished,” said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

Donohue spoke to FOXNews.com shortly after the resignation of one of two bloggers caught in a firestorm after posting controversial remarks — called anti-Catholic by critics — on their Web sites last week.

Amanda Marcotte wrote in her blog that she quit the campaign Monday night after pressure from Donohue and others because "it was creating a situation where I felt that every time I coughed, I was risking the Edwards campaign."

"Bill Donohue — anti-Semite, right wing lackey whose entire job is to create non-controversies in order to derail liberal politics — has been running a scorched earth campaign to get me fired for my personal beliefs and my writings on this blog," Marcotte posted on the Pandagon blog.

Edwards, who said that the entries had personally offended him, last week refused to fire Marcotte and Melissa McEwan, founder of Shakespeare's Sister, after critics said their postings were offensive.

Among the offending entries was Marcotte's, who wrote: “The Catholic church is not about to let something like compassion for girls get in the way of using the state as an instrument to force women to bear more tithing Catholics.”  :hammerhead:  :breakcomp:  :hammerhead:  :breakcomp:

The posting by McEwan was headlined to address religious conservatives: "What don't you lousy motherf——ers understand about keeping your noses out of our britches, our beds and our families?"  :hammerhead:  :breakcomp:  :hammerhead:  :breakcomp:


I will comment on one thing, the way TWO democrats are running their campaigns, they ARE NOT WINNING BROWNIE POINTS.

Between Edwards' bloggers and Osama bin Hussein Obama's comments about the US troops lives that have been wasted in Iraq, THEY ARE DIGGING THEMSELVES A NICE DEEP HOLE............
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Remember when the code said, "do things the cowboy way" and that was an honorable thing?

Nowadays "do things the democrat way" is 180 degrees out from honorable.

We didn't get this despicable overnight and it won't be solved overnight but we better sure begin working to clean up our act ... politicians as a whole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God, Guns, Guts made this country ... the democrats have none of these. The republicans fortunately have guns ... are disparaging God ... and lost guts a while back. Its time to regain our God, our Guns, and our Guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our military will have no problem showing us the way to all three of these ... smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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Toothless Dawg,Feb 13 2007
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Remember when the code said, "do things the cowboy way" and that was an honorable thing?

Nowadays "do things the democrat way" is 180 degrees out from honorable.

We didn't get this despicable overnight and it won't be solved overnight but we better sure begin working to clean up our act ... politicians as a whole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God, Guns, Guts made this country ... the democrats have none of these. The republicans fortunately have guns ... are disparaging God ... and lost guts a while back. Its time to regain our God, our Guns, and our Guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our military will have no problem showing us the way to all three of these ... smiley-patriotic-flag-wave

Well said, TD!
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I've been home today so I've had a chance to read some. This thread inspires me. I've told L Linda that I have been so discouraged over the last elections that I just can't get back in the fight. Linda and I were so active before the elections with emails and all. But knowing that the Dems. took control made me feel that the plug had been pulled and everyone's hard work was going down the drain. I told Linda it's time you learned Spanish because they aren't going to do anything about the borders. The super highway is on its way. But I'm being inspired by what you all have posted. It reminds me of the conversations that took place early on in our American history. There were many things to consider for the good of our country. So in truth it remains the same. We all have to fight for the right to be Americans. It's just a matter of where the battles will take place. I want it to be in the voting booths of America. I don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils either. I want and am looking for a good candidate. It is vital that we stand together as a party. I'm hoping that the elections told the republican party that they are on notice. You guys are staying up on this, so I'll keep checking back. Thank you for all your postings.
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You're right on, Cottonpicker. As Americans, we should not have to settle for the lesser of two evils. I don't have the answer to where we went wrong but it certainly seems that our options now are --- who spends the most money --- who knows the latest 'star' --- who can be the most outrageous ... This is NOT the way to perpetuate an ideal built on the blood of our ancestors.

Have we crossed the highline of political correctness and now are on the decline because we cannot speak from common sense and courage? I certainly hope not because that fact alone leaves us a violent and bloody future.

I will say the the time has come for us to retake our country and our government ... against all odds!!!!!!!!!! smiley-patriotic-flag-wave

It is natural to feel 'abandoned' ... do not ever feel that the fight is over or that you are alone!!!
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You're right on, Cottonpicker. As Americans, we should not have to settle for the lesser of two evils. I don't have the answer to where we went wrong but it certainly seems that our options now are --- who spends the most money --- who knows the latest 'star' --- who can be the most outrageous ... This is NOT the way to perpetuate an ideal built on the blood of our ancestors.

Have we crossed the highline of political correctness and now are on the decline because we cannot speak from common sense and courage? I certainly hope not because that fact alone leaves us a violent and bloody future.

I will say the the time has come for us to retake our country and our government ... against all odds!!!!!!!!!!  smiley-patriotic-flag-wave

It is natural to feel 'abandoned' ... do not ever feel that the fight is over or that you are alone!!!

Thanks, I appreciate that :) and I am very encouraged! smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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The Maha Rusdie Weighs-in HERE ..

We Shouldn't Redefine Conservatism

February 13, 2007




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RUSH: While I was gone, I noticed something. With all these Republican candidates for president -- you have Giuliani; you have Romney who got in today. McCain. I can't even remember them all. There's a distinct effort, there's a big move underway now to redefine conservatism in a way that fits the candidacy of one or the other of these candidates. They are conflating electability with a serious discussion of conservatism. Much of it's coming from the New York and DC elite. It reached its zenith with a column from George Will that I saw Sunday, in which there's a big swipe taken at Reaganism and that conservatives' view of Reaganism is a waste of time, that Reagan was one man at one time and never will be again.

It's a stunning, stunning piece -- and all these things together amused me, because have you ever seen liberalism wring its hands and try to redefine itself to fit one particular candidate? Liberals don't make excuses for who they are. They do their best to hide who they are, and they do their best to camouflage who they are with different names (like "progressives" or "moderates" or what have you), but they never have any serious disagreements over the fundamental principles of liberalism. Yet here we go with the people on the conservative side now trying to fit each one of these candidates into what is a conservative by redefining conservatism to fit the candidate, and this is important to me because it ought to be the other way around. If conservatives are serious about a conservative candidate, then the candidate ought to have to be conservative, not the other way around, and I see that happening.
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I am too ... thank YOU!!!

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Thank you Wild Bill ... that exchange is right on. It seems that the 'conservatives' are saying, "I believe in _____________ , I know that sounds conservative but not really ..."

Like I said, we need God, Guns, Guts smiley-patriotic-flag-wave smiley-patriotic-flag-wave smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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Dawg, Praise The Lord, and pass the ammunition !!

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Wild Bill,Feb 13 2007
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Dawg, Praise The Lord, and pass the ammunition !!

:praying:

:gun2:

Hey...that's my line!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :gun2:

Once I lived in a duplex that was connected to the other one by a laundry room. A good friend lived on the other side. One night I heard people running through my yard, so I grabbed my .357 and called my friend and told her to meet me in the laundry room. I met her and her boyfriend in there and when he saw the gun in my hand his eyes got big and he said "Praise the Lord and pass the ammo"! It was so funny because I had never heard that line before. :lol:
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I heard one time that sayin was made famous by Audie Murphy durin one of his battles that helped earn him the title of "most decorated Veteran of WW 2".. How true that is I dont know..
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Sorta kinda, it was the same era but here is a link concerning the saying ...

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition
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My thoughts,

I was raised to be a Dem. but that party left ME many years ago and I joined the Reps. and I have done my best to help them be a stronger, better party of citizen voters.

There has been many battles, but I will not concede to satan or the enemy within, I will absolutely occupy until He comes as He has instructed.

I am of the opinion that many times people have not voted or have left the party for this or that reason, when that happens, the opposing other sides within the party grow stronger and of course the other party grows in power also.

I've endured many times things that are very important to my group within the party being put on the ol' back burner, always more important things they say.

Yet, to God's glory, I've seen some victories and I'm so very greatful to God and to those people who stayed and went far beyond what others have done in their dedications to important causes for this country.

Pres. Ronald Reagan said something like this;

A 70% enemy is a 30% friend

I've heard the term ;

"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

The Rep. party is actually more diverse than some folks seem to know, there is pro-aborts and pro-life, sodomites and lesbians then there is us pro-family values folks, pro-war against terrorism and anti-war, pro-2nd amendment rights and anti-gun activists, strict constitutionalists and liberal interpretationalists, pro-strong Military and those that think it should be gutted and starved, pro-illegal alien and us who demand our border be secured and our laws enforced, people of may religions and some atheists and agnostics, conservative to slightly conservative to out right liberal on social issues, the list goes on and on.

My group has made some headway and yes we have had to work with others and sometimes when folks are needed badly they decide to teach the party a lesson by either not voting or leaving the party.

I've learned that lesson a few times, when folks that you thought would stand and fight chose to not vote or leave the party all together further widening the division and giving victory to those they didn't deserve it.

I could have left the party many times because I've seen things I hold dear shoved aside, but once again by staying I've seen some victories and those issues brought to the forefront of party and nation.

I'll see more victories, if folks will just stand and fight for right, when some folks see the ship burning some get off as quick as they can and others that would like to jump overboard fight that fire to save as much of the ship and as many lives as they can.

It ain't over until it is over, when it is over I'll have stayed the course and fought the good fight even when it seemed the enemy was coming in like an overflowing flood, even when my friends have given up and become discouraged and would not be encouraged or even changed sides.

I am ever mindful of being re-encouraged myself, when I was low

I encourage all to stand up and fight and stop teaching lessons that wind up hurting those that didn't deserve the outcome.

I will not walk away, I will continue to do what I can do.

I pray, I said more to help and less to damage.

:rose: Even some rose bushes still have thorns, but I say if one loves The Rose then to leave untended, because it has thorns and one has been stuck more times than they can remember is to forget that the thorns can be broken off and that with proper care and manipulation a rose bush can be developed that has fewer and fewer thorns, but some rose bushes loose the ability to produce the best rose, because of over manipulation, so better break the thorns by hand than to loose the true quality of the prized rose.
Lord I am a worker in the rose garden you allowed me to be in, help me tend them to bring forth that which is pleasing in YOUR sight, for in so doing I know that I will be pleased and blessed too along The Way.

Thank you Lord for our American Rose. :rose:

Father draw us closer together in the battles that we must be fought, help us not to fight because of hate, but in love knowing the battle is truely Yours, but we must do our part.
Help us put on the whole armor and I know you remember that inside this armor the warrior is your child,,,,In Jesus' Holy name-Amen

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Okay, here we go. I'm moving my post over here too because it was in response to Dukes. :D

Duke,Feb 15 2007
12:24 PM
I'll see more victories, if folks will just stand and fight for right, when some folks see the ship burning some get off as quick as they can and others that would like to jump overboard fight that fire to save the ship and those lives they can.

It ain't over until it is over, when it is over I'll have stayed the course and fought the good fight even when it seemed the enemy was coming in like an overflowing flood, even when my friends have given up and become discouraged and would not be encouraged or even changed sides.


Duke, I assure you I did not jump ship out of cowardice or any self-serving purpose. I left out of protest, after much thought and consternation. I didn't know what else to do. Maybe this would get the attention of our elected officials who had more than enough time to do something about this situation if they had any intentions to do so.

I am registered as an Independent in California, and as such I can vote for whom ever I feel will do the best job. I can still vote for a Republican. I don't see any possibilities of me ever voting for a Democrat. I didn't switch sides.

Yes, the thorns can be taken off the Rose and it can be cultivated back to it's original beauty, but don't forget the parable about the tree that didn't bare any fruit and the owner wanted to cut it down. The caretaker asked to give it some time to be fertilzed and taken care of to see whether it would bare fruit again. The owner agreed to give it more time and let it be taken care of, but if it still didn't produce fruit it would be destroyed. I know this is talking about spiritual fruit, but I think we can make the application here also.

So do we stick by the side of a Party who doesn't listen to its constituents year after year of trying to make our voices heard to no avail, or do we decide to try another way, even if it hurts. That's where I was, and I had to make a painful decision which I did, with the hopes of something good coming out of it.

Let me make clear that I voted for President Bush twice, and supported him in his war efforts. I defended him on many occasions. When I found out about this North American Union plan I was devastated. How could our President be involved in something like this, and not even be put it out in the open for the citizens to know about and decide if this is something they want or not. Personally, I don't want to be part of Mexico or Canada. I don't want Mexico or Canada to have any power to influence our immigration policies. I don't want Mexico putting pressure on our government to arrest Border Patrol Agents for trying to stop drug dealers from coming into this country. I don't want the three North American countries to meld into one with free passage between the three borders. We don't need anymore Mexican Nationals taking our jobs. Their wages go way up and ours come way down. I don't want a Super Highway coming from the tip of Mexico and going through Texas straight up the middle of our country and have the first inspection be in Missouri by Mexican Agents!

Mexican Soil in Kansas City

I hope you will read some of this.

If what all these articles are saying is true then we are in big trouble as a country. IMO

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Duke, we don't agree on this but I still luv ya! :)
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L Linda,

You are most definately not a coward, for from it.

I titled it "My Thoughts", but I know you must think it was all directed at you anyway, it was taken from a small part of what you had written and I greatly expanded.

I know you love the Lord, our country, and all people even though some of them are dangerous enemies to our country and realy the world.

I know you love me in the Lord too, that love and respect is from me to you in the Lord also.

I know we will continue to pray for this OUR country and work to make it better.

I do have a question, how does the ones in the party that truly have the power in hand so to speak know why you did that, how will they know who you are sending a message to?
Some left for a few kinds of reasons, meaning from different groups/views within the party.

I've spent too much time on the computer right now and my mind is tired, I'll read your answer when I come back, so take your time in answering, I'll give the question some more thought too and see if I too can come up with an answer.

Thanks,

Duke
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Duke, thanks for understanding what I wrote. I completely understand how you feel. As I've said before I have always thought like you and Condor, and I'm sure the majority of the others do as well.

It wasn't until after seeing the illegals marching in the streets and wondering why President Bush wouldn't make illegal immigration a priority that I started finding out about this NAU and Superhighway plan, and then it all came together and made sense to me, and I was really devastated over it.

You ask a good question as to how the Republican Party will know why I left. I wrote many letters to the President and all my elected officials protesting the NAU, the Superhighway, and border security. In those letters I told them that they were risking losing voters, but I never did tell them that I really did leave and why. I guess I still have a few more letters to write. :huh:

I will not vote for a Democrat, of that you can be sure. I know that they say a vote for a third party, or even not voting at all is a vote for a Democrat, so it's the same thing. Truthfully I probably will still vote for the Republican, but I don't want the Party to take my vote for granted. I think they figure that they don't have to listen to us because we'll vote for them no matter what they do since we don't have any other choice besides the Democrats, and no good conservative will ever vote for a Dem. I don't want them to be so secure in our votes. I want them to work for it, and show me that they are listening and will return to true conservative values. Let them sweat a little.

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I couldn't have said it better if I tried and I have. I too am now a registered Independent and probably will vote Repub in the next election but, we are in the process of looking in to some Party building strategies should things take a turn more for the worse .
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gobblerblaster,Feb 15 2007
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Linda
I couldn't have said it better if I tried and I have. I too am now a registered Independent and probably will vote Repub in the next election but, we are in the process of looking in to some Party building strategies should things take a turn more for the worse .

Linda, once we wrest power back from the liberals, I don't care how you vote. Right now, to vote anyway other than Republican is suicide.

The big highway will eventually be built. There is no stopping that. We are land locked in step with our neighbors. Eventually, there will be a bridge built into Russia as well. That is just the way the world forms. Like it or hate it, that is progress.

It may look to us like we are letting the Latins take over up here, but it may just be the other way. I am not privy to any of the plans, but I have long thought that if we could get this whole continent under one government (American) that we would all be better off. Once that happens, pay levels and goods and service costs will stabilize at a level different from where it is now. No way it won't happen.

Europe is doing that now and if they succeed to join Western Europe with Eastern Europe with China, we will be somebodies bitch!

Right now, it is a battle of cultures that we have to win because if we don't win this one, the others just won't matter. This battle takes every bit of strength we have because the enemy is within as well.

If people hadn't decided to try to force the Republican party to do their bidding by voting independant in the last election, we wouldn't have Pelozi in a position of power today. Now that you have done that, did you gain anything? Did we all lose something? I think so!

Where do the Democrats get most of their money? One guys name just keeps popping up. A man who helped the NAZI's as a child and is helping the Democrats now. A man who has sworn to do everything he can to defeat Bush and has failed so far:

Soros was thirteen years old when Nazi Germany took military control over its wavering ally Hungary (March 21, 1944), and started exterminating Hungarian Jews [5] in the Holocaust. Soros worked briefly for the Jewish Council, which had been established by the Nazis, to deliver messages to Jewish lawyers being called for deportation. Soros was not aware of the consequence of the messages.[6]


I can never find anything on his religious views, but he has funded gun control organizations. This is the real terror today. If we don't stick together to defeat the liberals and the terrorist, the rest is moot.
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If people hadn't decided to try to force the Republican party to do their bidding by voting independant in the last election, we wouldn't have Pelozi in a position of power today. Now that you have done that, did you gain anything? Did we all lose something? I think so!

Condor, I didn't do that. I did vote Republican in the last election.

Condor,Feb 15 2007
09:49 PM
Europe is doing that now and if they succeed to join Western Europe with Eastern Europe with China, we will be somebodies bitch!

Do you really think Canada and Mexico would help us fight?


There's more I'd like to say but I'm tired and have to say good night. :bye:
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legitlinda,Feb 16 2007
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If people hadn't decided to try to force the Republican party to do their bidding by voting independant in the last election, we wouldn't have Pelozi in a position of power today. Now that you have done that, did you gain anything? Did we all lose something? I think so!

Condor, I didn't do that. I did vote Republican in the last election.

Condor,Feb 15 2007
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Europe is doing that now and if they succeed to join Western Europe with Eastern Europe with China, we will be somebodies bitch!

Do you really think Canada and Mexico would help us fight?


There's more I'd like to say but I'm tired and have to say good night. :bye:

I didn't do that.

"I did vote Republican in the last election"


Linda, I am glad you said that!! I didn't think you could do that, but a couple of your statements had me thinking you had. As much as I hated to say anything negative to you, I had to say what I did. Do you really think Canada and Mexico would help us fight?

No, they won't as the nation states they are now. I think they will slowly integrate themselves into our life style and will eventually try to join us as a bigger nation. The Canadians already talk about doing so. Sure, it will take years, but we will get there. Isolating our country from them will not help. Controlling immigration the way we did in the fifties will work. Doing away with some of the more agregous social benefits will work absolutely. No one seems to want to talk about doing away with minimum wage and welfare as a solution except me, yet there is never a conversation on the subject without someone pointing out that they come here for the benefits. Everyone knows that will work. I guess there are more people on welfare than I thought, otherwise it would get more input. Those programs are the honey pot that draws them just like New Orleans having better welfare payments attracted the bums in the fifties ans sixties. Not only do those programs attract them and every other immigrant, but they attract the wrong ones. Everyone says that it isn't only that we get immigrants, but that we get the wrong immigrants. Well, why do you think that is? Easy money always attracks the bums and the crooks!
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Condor,

I guess I should have been clearer on that. I'm not affiliated with any Party. I didn't register with a third party. In California it's called "Decline to State", and when I go to the polls I can tell them which ballot I want, whether it's Democrat, Republican, etc...

I did vote the Republican ticket which unfortunately in my area didn't have any positive effect. Since I live on the border I'm outnumbered by Hispanics who are courted by the Democrats with promises of all kinds of benefits, so they vote for the Dems. My representative is Bob Filner, and my Senators are Boxer and Feinstein. Pretty dismal isn't it.

I totally agree with you on getting rid of welfare for illegals, and also changing the anchor baby laws. They come over ready to pop, knowing that once they have their baby here that's their ticket to welfare and everything else.

I'm not so sure about the minimum wage, never really thought about that one.

That's right, easy money always draws the bums and the crooks! Cottonpicker will tell you that many of the Mexicans who come in illegally are of unsavory character.

I plan to keep the heat on the Republicans, and I'm hoping that since they can now see the results of not doing the will of the people who voted them in, that they'll see it's to their own advantage to shape up, or they will be shipped out!
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In a representative gov't./country like ours we get to vote.

Doesn't most people want to vote for someone they think more closely represents what they themselves think/want and of course we also think that what we think is actually best for the country? Yes.

The dilemma is;

Some candidates that actually have a chance of winning are a mixed bag of beliefs, so how do we decide who to cast the vote for then?

Far too many times it turns out that we vote according to the old saying;
"The lesser of two evils".

Most of us tell ourselves that we vote for what is best for "the country", does anyone want to admit that they vote the opposite way, I don't think so. :)

Quite frankly, I've talked to enough people on just two web sites alone to know that if a perfect man ran, he probably would NOT get elected.

If anyone doesn't know that already, then they just haven't paid attention.

Am I wrong, or am I right, or a mix?

Thanks,

Duke
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Actually, more people vote against than for. If it was voting for, not many would go to the poles.

Is there a perfect candidate?

Nicest guy: Jimmy Carter
Most experienced: Richard Nixon
Most likeable: Ronald Reagan
Best visionary: John F. Kennedy
Strongest: George W Bush
Best Statesman: George Bush Sr.
Best Leader: Bill Clinton

Which one was the best? Neither. They all had characteristics that, if combined, would have made a good President. Unfortunately, I have never seen anyone that I thought would make a good President. That leaves me the option of analysing the weaknesses in all of the candidates and voting against those weaknesses. Right now, the stronger, the better. So far, I see no hope.
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Got this in Email today:

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Bush Camp Supports Romney

By Ronald Kessler

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When former Bush White House aides ask Karl Rove for guidance on where to throw their support in the next presidential election, he tells them President Bush is neutral about the candidates. But Bush family members, friends, and key supporters are solidly behind Mitt Romney.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has quietly given his blessing to key staffers to migrate to the Romney camp, Sally Bradshaw, who was Jeb’s staff director and is now working for Romney, told me.

There are some striking similarities between George W. Bush and Mitt Romney. Both are sons of presidential candidates. Both were the youngest child in their families. Both are multimillionaires who made their money as highly successful businessmen. Both were state governors.

Bizarrely, both Romney and Bush were on male cheerleading squads in high school — Romney at the private Cranbrook School in Bloomfield Hills, Mich., and Bush at the private Phillips Academy at Andover, Mass. Both were high school pranksters. Both men were in the class of 1975 at Harvard Business School and vaguely knew each other. However, as part of a joint program, Romney also obtained a law degree from Harvard Law School.

Both men’s lives have been touched by fatal car accidents. When he was a Mormon missionary in France in the summer of 1968, Romney, 21, was driving a Citroën in the rain on a mountainous road near Bordeaux with five other missionaries. As they rounded a curve, a Mercedes, possibly passing another car, veered over the median. The Mercedes slammed almost head on into Romney’s car at what police said was 70 mph. Viola Anderson, the wife of his mission president, suffered crushed lungs and died. Thrown from the car, the future governor of Massachusetts suffered a broken arm.

In November 1963, when she was a senior in high school in Midland, Texas, Laura Bush, then 17, was driving on a dark country road with a high school friend when she missed a stop sign. Her parents’ brand-new Chevrolet Impala slammed into a 1962 Corvair sedan driven by Michael D. Douglas, another high school friend, who was thrown from his car. He died at the scene.

Both Romney and Bush are deeply religious. Neither man drinks: Bush gave it up because it was impinging on his personal and professional life. Romney never took a drink because of his Mormon beliefs.

Bush and Romney are different in one major respect: their facility with the English language. Romney is the most articulate presidential candidate in modern times. He speaks in complete sentences and paragraphs, and his speech flows as smoothly and effortlessly as maple syrup.

Bush is the first to poke fun at his own malapropisms. Before speaking at a Radio and Television Correspondents dinner, Bush told his high school friend and aide Clay Johnson III, “I’m going to give the funniest speech you’ve ever heard. They have this tape of ridiculous phrases I used in the campaign. I can’t believe that a candidate for president said those things.”

At the dinner, Bush said, “This is my most famous statement: ‘Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning.’”

Those Jeb Bush allies joining the Romney team, along with Sally Bradshaw, include Ann Herberger, who was Jeb’s campaign finance director; former House Speaker Allan Bense; former Florida Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings; U.S. Rep. Tom Feeney, who was his running mate in the 1994 election he lost; his former press secretary Kristy Campbell; and former state Republican Chairmen Van Poole and Al Cardenas.


I see all the SP Hollywoods are backing Obamamomma and Edwards and the usual pols that will back their SP lifestyle. The usuals - Streisand, Fonda, etc.

I have a question: What Hollywoods back Republican presidential runners? Or maybe it should be more like: Why don't Hollywoods back Republicans?

I think I just answered my own question above...........
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Culture Warrior,Feb 20 2007
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Got this in Email today:

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Bush Camp Supports Romney

By Ronald Kessler


Considering the shafting we have gotton by supporting the Bush's I'm leary about anyone they support.

I have been a republican and voted/supported the reps for over 25 years. Just what has it gotten us???

The reps controlled both houses and the presidency for years and they continually screwed things up.

I voted for Bush (both times) and would again if the situations were the same.

I am at the point that if the repubs can't give us a real candidate I will vote for myself.

This country is slowly going downhill and the 'pubs ain't helping things.

I am beginning to think that the only way things will get better is to get it really screwed up quickly so that people realize that there is a problem. Course most of the people I know don't even bother to read a paper or watch more than the weather report on TV. These brain dead american idol worshippers will never be able to see beyond the "what's in it for me" line.

I am going to wait and see who is running and will probably cave and vote for the lesser of the 2 evils. Then again I might just say p*&& on it and throw my vote away by voting for myself.

Condor,
I believed for years what you are saying, maybe I still do, but I am sick of being screwed over by lying trash. Bush said that he is agains amnesty and then does everything he can to get it passed. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

I do like Hunter, he is the rep from my district and I have been impressed by his actions.

I hope I get to vote for someone that is like him.
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gobblerblaster,Feb 12 2007
05:47 PM
Here is were I differ from most Repubs. I am bound to my strong convictions as a Christian not as a Republican. My first loyalty is to JESUS christ. not the Party that is waivering on the things I stand for and as you said Condor , we the Christian base probably can't win by moving to a third party but, the Republicans sure can't win without us. This is the point I am trying to make. I have to vote my convictions no matter what the chance of winning or losing and if another party stands closer to the moral standards that I have, I feel obligated to stand there because I know someday I will have to stand before the Almighty and explain why I did what I did and I 'll use David as my example. It didn't look in the natural like David could whip the giant but, he trusted God and did what he knew was the right thing no matter what it looked like the out come was going to be. If the Repubs see that we won't just go along and they can't just take us for granted than they will buck up and stop comprimising our values away. This country is turning into a moral stink hole and the Republicans are comprimising more and more with the filth in the Democratic Party that is sinking this country into the moral abyss. I like allot of the Republicans, We have to fine Senators from this state in Tom firebreathin Coburn and Jim Inhofe.  I have voted Republican since I was old enough to vote and have never voted for a devilcrat and probably never will unless they make and aboutface (nah never happen) but, it is time the Repubs take notice and know that we are conviction and values based voters.
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Some of the elected Republicand may be weak in their Christian virtues and we can question that. We know what will happen if we don't support even the weak ones. Democrats will take over and weld their office like power hungary hookers on a Saturday night. Once they do that, we will all be too weak to overcome the Islamic onslaught.

We already know what the Muslims think of Christian virtues, don't we? That is the choice civilization is making today. Let no one confuse the issues.
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