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Sticking together; for the win!
Topic Started: Feb 11 2007, 11:08 AM (737 Views)
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I see people who are staunch conservatives and Republicans talking about joining a third party or voting based on the candidate. I see that as a mistake.

This is a very good time for everyone who is not a Democrat to stick together! You split the party now and the next words out of your mouth will be "Good morning, Madame President!"

If everyone who disagrees with the liberal’s irresponsible agenda that is based on ignorance in it's purest form had gotten off their butts and voted in the last election, we wouldn't be in the mess that we are in now.

We now have a speaker of the House who thinks she is the adjunct President of the United States. If you didn't vote that day or if you voted your intellect or heart instead of your party, that is your fault.

We have a while before the 2008 elections. I don't need to tell anyone here what is at risk in this next election.

The democrats are already preparing for a big win which will be followed by lots of partying in Hollywood and then by retreat from the war for civilization that we are currently involved in.

They will elect cowards as leaders, cowards that think that words on paper have real power and have forgotten that it is the might behind the words that wields the power. As they run, the terror will follow into our streets.

Once we are beaten, the rest of the world will fold because they no longer have a will to fight. That will bring on the new Dark Ages and the suffering of all of our children and grandchildren.

Right now we are in a pivotal age in the history of mankind. Win or lose, triumph of science and humanity are in the chips on the table. This is no time to fold to a bluff. Start now and push everyone you know to be there on our next election day.
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You are so right, Condor!

I see that LiborD's old backing for pres - Ron Paul, is running and gaining backing.

Like her, he is also a conspiracist and what would end up being a radical faction of the Republican party.

There is nothing wrong with voting for the best person - but make sure HE (or she) is the BEST person for the job.

I'm seeing several emerg from the conservative base right now, and we will see how this progresses with time. Romney looks good, and Guliani has VERY strong leadership credentials (not real keen on his abortion views, he thinks it is evil, but thinks a woman has a right to choose, but also is VERY strong anti-parital birth abortion as a trade-off).

We can only keep hoping and praying things turn out, and keep fighting the good fight :troops:
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I think we lost the election because of the Republicans who lost their backbones and caved into the PC way of thinking.

We had control of the congress since 1996 and had it all for the last 7 years and what did they show us? I'm talking about here at home. They did absolutely nothing about our porous borders which are a very big security breach, besides allowing the illegals to flow in almost at will, how many terroristst have come in alongside of them? How many weapons?

I know the war also played a big part in us losing this election. I know all of our accomplishements and I am very grateful for what our soldiers have done. I don't take anything away from them. They are the heart and soul of America, and the backbone!

I'm not a military person, just an ordianary American, and from my point of view we went from Shock and Awe to trying to fight a politically correct war. Why didn't we just bomb the heck out of Al Sadr when he was attacking from that Mosque?Were we afraid to piss them off too much by destroying a Mosque?

Arresting our own soldiers and trying them for murder is something that I just cannot justify in my mind. They're out there risking their lives for us and making split second decisions, and to add to that they have to now worry about being charged and imprisoned by their own country. It's all PC crap to me!

The corruption didn't do us any good either! A lot of people didn't see any difference between the two parties and figured what's the point, and for that I blame the Republicans.

If they would get off their butts and get back to being true conservatives and represent us, who sent them there to do a job for us then we wouldn't be in this mess. :two-cents:
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10:33 AM

There is nothing wrong with voting for the best person - but make sure HE (or she) is the BEST person for the job.

I'm seeing several emerg from the conservative base right now, and we will see how this progresses with time. Romney looks good, and Guliani has VERY strong leadership credentials (not real keen on his abortion views, he thinks it is evil, but thinks a woman has a right to choose, but also is VERY strong anti-parital birth abortion as a trade-off).

We can only keep hoping and praying things turn out, and keep fighting the good fight :troops:

I don't see how Guliani can even classify himself as a Republican, he is for abortion, he is for gay rights and he is for gun control, three areas right there that sends me a red flag.

I'd like to know more about Romney as I don't know much about him. And what about McCain, all I see there is a Democrat using a Republican handle, he kinds of does strange things to be a Republican. Who all else is in the race on the conservative side?
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Very good topic and posts ya'll.

The folks that have posted already should know what I would have to say here, so I won't simply parrot what is already written.

I will say this;

"Some" in the Republican party let us down while others have stood true to conservatism, both fiscally and on family values/morals.

It appears that many so called conservatives have not gotten the message that the Republican party is supposed to be both fiscally and morally conservative.

I do sincerely appreciate ya'll, Thanks,

Duke
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Condor what you say is all well and good and eminently sensible, but we live in Dickensian times.

Last year I was queried by an administration functionary about my view on the matter.

I explained that I voted against John Kerry. I explained that the Republicans couldn't count on non-Republicans to keep doing that, and if they didn't stop relying on it then trouble was down the road. What effect my input had I don't know, but they certainly didn't address what I gave them.

I agree that people have to stop relying on the government for running America and get involved, but they aren't going to do that if their words fall on deaf ears. This administration has a major hearing problem.

Rush is right dead spot on when he says conservative defeats come when conservatives get lazy and stop teaching. Teaching, not finger waving, is in short supply of late; one helps, one hurts.

People had good reason to be disgusted with GW's performance, and that is why they stayed home; they saw little difference between the party in power and the party not in power.

Whose fault was that? Republicans and their lack of leadership. I'm not going to vote for lack of leadership anymore. Neither am I going to vote for a third party. I'm definitely not going to vote for Giuliani, or any other nutty pro-gun control Republican. Pro-gun control? Is he crazy?

I'd vote for Saxby Chambliss with enthusiasm, but the Republicans won't put him up. If the best conservatives can do is condemn those who don't toe the god-knows-what Republican gameplan, then it will be Clinton-Obama and devil take the hindmost. Maybe that's what is needed to clean out the losers who have led the Republican Party to defeat.

The problem is the Republican Party Condor - not those who are totally fed up with their blundering.
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I campaigned as best as I could here in Ga. for Republicans-U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss and U.S. Representative Phil Gingrey.

I'm very proud of both of them, they have done and are doing good jobs.

The pics. of them and I together are keepsakes for me.

Yes, some Republicans let us down, but not all of them.

Thanks,

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I think if another party is created, then the lib agenda will have succeeded. Instead of conservatives separating, we must pull together and demand the party support our views. Remind them of who they work for and what is expected from them. Another party will split the votes and libs will triumph smiley-libs-suck-flag
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I agree with you bsb006, but what GRITS said above about what we want or tell our leaders falling on deaf ears is what I have seen to be a detterent to the Republicans. Bush has had so many emails, phone calls and petitions about the border patrol agents and he has stood right there and let them get beat to a bloody pulp because he's not listening to the very people that votes. He also hasn't listened to the same people about our illegal immigration problem. When our leaders turns a deaf ear to us as GRITS mentioned, they're surely going to fall eventually and then the democrats will be in control and there's not a lot we can do then. If the Republicans want to win votes, they must learn to listen to what people are saying.
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bsb,

Well said, it makes sense.

As some would say, " it sings."

Thanks,

Duke
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Mtnman it's a simple problem, easily fixed.

Like any party in power for an extended period, the Republican party has collected a dead weight of favor seekers who parlayed support into a party position.

These bonus idiots are the ones spoiling the soup, and the Republicans need to give them the gas. This is what caused the fall of the Republicans at the beginning of the last century, and it has happened again.

The same thing has turned the Democrat Party into a morass of self-seeking self-serving pukka sahibs who have a death grip on the Donkey's throat and won't let go until it is dead.

This defeat gives the Republicans a chance to clean out the accumulated losers; what happens in 2008 depends on how well they do that - or if they do it at all. I'm not a Republican and the fate of that party comes dead last to the fate of America with me - sometimes it takes the death of something for it to be born fresh.

The Democrats have become the party of the Living Dead - even cremation couldn't give it a fresh start. The Republicans are on the same road and need to take the nasty tasting medicine or we will have two walking cadavers on our country. It's time for radiation therapy and chemo. Will they show up for them? That's up to you Republicans.

Otherwise it's every man for himself.
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Here is a little something I saved from my travels on the www. :

With the announcement of Rep. Ron Paul this week, and Rep. Tancredo's concurrent visit to Iowa, it seems that the GOP will finally have some real presidential candidates: Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, and Duncan Hunter.

All three of these men oppose the third-world invasion of America, and all three are skeptical of free trade. In general, any real conservative will oppose the third-world invasion of the United States, and conservatives have historically and philosophically opposed free trade. It is destroying our economy and undermining our national sovereignty.

Tom Tancredo is a forerunner in the anti-immigration movement, given a grade of A by Americans for Better Immigration (ABI), and the founding member of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. Tancredo is pro-life, pro-values, and pro-religion. Although previously in favor of free trade, he recently has become more skeptical of it, and has been a harsh critic of the NAFTA superhighway. He has one of the largest grass-roots support networks of any member of Congress.

Duncan Hunter, a California congressman, was the former chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. He opposes amnesty for illegals and receives a grade of B+ by ABI. He is pro-life, pro-values, and pro-religion. He also is a harsh critic of free trade and our trade deficit, which could be his selling point. He currently has a son, a lieutenant in the Marines, serving in Iraq.
(Plus, Hunter serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee and has been a huge supporter of our military).

Ron Paul, a Texas congressman, is a paleolibertarian (and Libertarian Party presidential nominee in 199, but also has been classified as a "paleoconservative," "conservative constitutionalist," or "fusionist," and has general conservative/libertarian appeal. Ron Paul is opposed to amnesty, and receives a grade of B+ by ABI. He is pro-Constitution, pro-small government, pro-states rights, pro-religion, pro-values, pro-life, and advocates returning to the states the legality of abortion. Paul also has become skeptical of free trade and the NAFTA superhighway. He was famously one of six Republicans to vote against the illegal neocon war in Iraq, and was one of three representatives to vote against the socialist ''No Child Left Behind.'' He also has one of the largest grassroots support networks of any member of Congress.

We finally have some real candidates, and it is about time. Our country is being invaded on a daily basis, and we need a strong arm at the helm.

Regarding immigration, McCain, Giuliani, Rice, Brownback, Huckabee, Gingrich, and Romney all support the third-world invasion of the United States. Although Gingrich and Romney say they are against amnesty, they both supported it only two years ago, and Gingrich was given a grade of D by ABI for his time in Congress. Furthermore, although Romney and Gingrich may combat illegal immigration on some levels, both support massive increases in legal immigration, which is no solution at all. Legal immigration is as much of a problem as illegal immigration.

If McCain, Giuliani, Rice, Brownback, Huckabee, Gingrich, or Romney receives the GOP nomination, then real conservatives will have no choice but to vote third party.

However, if Paul, Tancredo and Hunter go into the primaries together, they could divide the right-wing vote. Two will have to drop out before the primaries and throw their support behind the one remaining, so the right-wing vote will not be divided. According to some rumors, we could see some interesting combinations, such as a Paul/Tancredo ticket or a Hunter/Tancredo ticket. And there is also the possibility that Reps. Virgil Goode, Walter Jones, and John Duncan could be considered as running mates.





The only way we are ever gonna have an ALL-OUT effort to confront Radical Islam is to have support from the Left too.. The Left aint gonna support that effort till they control the House, the Senate, and The WhiteHouse..

The (D)s have repeatedly told us that if they aint in Power and Control, then America can go to hell !! Even some of the ®s have done the same damn thang too.. The RINOs have bastardized the ® Party so much by sidin with the (D)s, that by all appearances, there aint a dimes-worth of difference tween em..

No matter how many of Congress are ®s, if the ®s are gonna vote with the (D)s, then those ®s might as well BE (D)s.. And when you have ®s like McCain that short circuit the ®s Initiatives(Judicial Appointees) every chance they get, and Anti-War Groupies, like Snowe, and those that SPIT on ®s Moral Values, like Foley, then you lose any Common Ground there may be in the Party..

I'm BIG on Standards and Principles, and thank if you dont have any, well, then you dont need to be an ® in the first place !! Either that or I dont need to be one either or give the ®s my sole support..

For an ® to go out and say "I'm just like a (D) , only smarter" dont deserve to get the time-of-day from me.. If that was the case, then why dont they just be a SMART (D) then ?? Lord knows they need somebody smart on their side cause they are runnin short of em right now !!

Maybe I'm just greedy or my expectations are too high, but I thank I should be able to go in the Votin Booth and vote a Straight ® Ballot and feel comfortable in knowin I voted for the best Candidates AND that those Candidates support my Conservative Values, Standards, and Principles .. I dont wanna have to sort thu em to make sure I aint votin for a Pig with lipstick on it..
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Wild Bill,

Thanks for the info on the candidates. I never heard of Ron Paul until this thread.
I like Tancredo and Hunter very much. That would make a wonderful ticket that I could be proud to vote for.

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LLinda, I've read that Tancredo has dropped/changed his stance on Illegal Immigration, so I'm still gonna hold my onions till a little closer to electiontime.. Just sounds kinda odd that Tancredo would change now, after all this time that he has stuck to his guns..

Its still a long way to elections, and about anythang can happen tween now and then that will completely re-arrange the whole landscape of the candidates and their positions..

I was listenin to a Cheecago radio station last nite and their callers were sayin that Barrack Hussain Obama was electable, but The Hildebeast wadnt, and that if they TEAMED-UP on the ballot that they would vote for somebody else..

But I feel the same way about McCain.. I dont care who is on the ticket with him, if that is the way it happens, I aint gonna vote for em.. And I aint gonna vote for anybody that even speaks the words "gun control" without spittin !! I just aint ..

"JulieAnnie" (as Hannity calls him) is another of those I consider a Pig with Lipstick..

I consider Romney a good choice, at this time, but I thank Tancredo and Hunter are in the lead for my vote, so far.. Romney is just a little bit too far liberal on his Social Issues for me..
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I've been watching what Tom Tancredo does and like what I see in him. If the vote was tomorrow, he would be getting my vote. Has he made an official decision on running yet?

Had to come back and edit after seeing WB's post above, Has he really dropped his stance on illegal immigration? He was very strong about it before.
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Wild Bill,Feb 11 2007
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LLinda, I've read that Tancredo has dropped/changed his stance on Illegal Immigration, so I'm still gonna hold my onions till a little closer to electiontime.. Just sounds kinda odd that Tancredo would change now, after all this time that he has stuck to his guns..


I don't believe that for a minute! Obviously the smear campaigning has begun.
I'm gonna check around and see what I can find out.
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As a matter-of-fact, they are talkin bout the "Smear Machine" HERE today !! It has to deal with mostly Romney tho..
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This doesn't sound like he changed his views:

http://tancredo.house.gov/Media/2007.01.23...onse%20SOTU.pdf

I just found this on his site.

This site will be moving to a new location, as Congressman Tancredo has handed over the reigns of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus to Congressman Bilbray.

http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/welcome.htm

Maybe he handed it over to Bilbray because he's running for President.

Yep, that's what happened

Bilbray is also from my town. He went to high school with my ex-husband and his siblings. He was also the mayor of this little town in San Diego. He's on our side of the issues and especially immigration.

More on Bilbray
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I been lurking about whatching this thread and I guess Ill weigh in. I wrote a thread on the Christian hate mongers site entitled something like 'it's time for a new politiacal party for Christians and the fact is I think the time HAS come. We as fundamental Christians have been the base of a party that has promised us allot of stuff and delivered on very little since Ronald Reagan. I voted for Bush and would again if he could run and given the choice of him or any Democrat walking.
Hear is my concern ,I am disturbed by the canidates that have been put out by the Repubs this time. John McCain? Rudie Guilioni? neither can be classified a true conservitive since when does a conservitive support abortion or gun control and come on we know Romney,Tancredo and Hunter ain't gonna get enough airtime to get past first base. I think the Repubs are becoming Status Quoe wuss's and need something to shake them up. I am tired of seing these porch dogs just lay around while the fox is in the henhouse. I think it is time to put a new dog on guard duty at least threaten the old dog with it. I garantee if the Repubs saw a major movement by their conservitive Christian base toward another ultra-Conservitive Party they would jump of the porch and have fox fur in their teeth faster than you could blink an eye. :thinking about it: All the Repubs are moving to the center and moderate status while the dems are swingin hard left. I have been lookin at the Constitution Party and believe that if they can get some traction it will be interesting in a few years. You can look for yourself by going to Constitution Party Platform on any search engine and find it. They are getting some recognition and doing some fund raising, I may even send em a buck or two. I will say this, I can not vote for McCain or Guilioni
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I don't think you can write-off Tancredo or Hunter this early in the game. I never heard of Bill Clinton until he ran for President.
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Maybe not but the media already has. and Im not sure even if they are elected that they won't bow to the Pc GOP and go with the flow. I think Im gettin out of the rat race cause the rat is winnin
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We can't get lost in the woods folks. You can point to many glitches in the current Republican bunch and your points will all be valid. What we MUST do this time though, is to keep conservatives in power. For every negative point you make about a Republican, think of what the Democrats are trying to push into place. There are more important issues here than immigrants and abortion pros and cons. We are truely talking about the collapse of civilization here. Once you get the engine back into the car, then is the time for the fine tuning! This car is about to lose it's engine!
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You're right!!! We can NEVER stop the fight ... even if the powers that be decide against us, it is still our fight for our kids, grandkids, and future generations. Now we are facing battles on all fronts ... it is time for us to circle the wagons and shoot in all directions. We must decide who will work for America and who will work against America ... the choice should be easy ............................... but it isn't
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Here is my dillema. I know it is awhile yet before the election and we all know what Perot did for Clinton but, I see the Democrats and their base getting highly motivated to put Madam President in office. I don't see anyone getting motivated to vote for a paticular canidate in this group of Republicans that we are being offered. In 1999 we were so fired up to get Bush in there the enthusiasm was so thick you could slice it with a knife. We knew he was going to be the man when he announced his canidacy and we put the wuppin on the Democrats and waited for the big change and allot of it came and I am glad it turned out that way ( we would be in sorry shape if it hadn't, can you imagine Gore in there on 911) We need a true conservitive front runner to energise the base now to build the war chest it is going to take to win this election. I ask again were is this guy. Where is the guy that is going to get the good people of this country off their butt and into the street on election day. Hillary has allready got her bunch energised (I have already seen Hillary bumper stickers for the love of Pete) and it eerily looks like 2000 was for Bush. If so we are in deep #%^+
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"We already know that the Democrats are the party of retreat and defeat in the war. Now we will discover how many Republicans are with them. And I suspect that if that number is anywhere near the "30 to 60" predicted by the Times, the effort by the National Republican Congressional Committee to interest the party's base in retaking the House will be dead before it begins. As with the pledge about the NRSC, I won't be supporting any Republicans indifferent to the effect of these resolutions on our enemy and our own troops."

The rest is HERE ..

I havent left my Party.. My Party has left me !!
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You're right!!! We can NEVER stop the fight ... even if the powers that be decide against us, it is still our fight for our kids, grandkids, and future generations. Now we are facing battles on all fronts ... it is time for us to circle the wagons and shoot in all directions. We must decide who will work for America and who will work against America ... the choice should be easy ............................... but it isn't

The fight will go on, but if the Republicans won't do it, maybe it's time to look for a different party....
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legitlinda,Feb 11 2007
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Wild Bill,

Thanks for the info on the candidates.  I never heard of Ron Paul until this thread.
I like Tancredo and Hunter very much.  That would make a wonderful ticket that I could be proud to vote for.

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I would be VERY cautious of Ron Paul!

This was Libordy's pride and joy.
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First look at his stance on the Iraq War:

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Ron Paul, a Texas congressman, is a paleolibertarian (and Libertarian Party presidential nominee in 199, but also has been classified as a "paleoconservative," "conservative constitutionalist," or "fusionist," and has general conservative/libertarian appeal. Ron Paul is opposed to amnesty, and receives a grade of B+ by ABI. He is pro-Constitution, pro-small government, pro-states rights, pro-religion, pro-values, pro-life, and advocates returning to the states the legality of abortion. Paul also has become skeptical of free trade and the NAFTA superhighway. He was famously one of six Republicans to vote against the illegal neocon war in Iraq, and was one of three representatives to vote against the socialist ''No Child Left Behind.'' He also has one of the largest grassroots support networks of any member of Congress.


Here is some of his voting record: click on link to see it all.

Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000) - an objective of the SP's - less prisons, more "treatment" for prisoners.
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
War on Drugs has abused Bill of Rights . (Dec 2000)
Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
Rated A by VOTE-HEMP, indicating a pro-hemp voting record. (Dec 2003) another objective of the SP's - drugs for everyone
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)
Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

You can guarantee he will pull out of Iraq, IMMEDIATELY after being elected.

Libertarians can have some VERY radical views on how to run the government. They can almost mirror left wing liberals...........

His position on the Constitution may actually hinder protection of the country in the GWOT




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The media is already annointing McCain and Gulioni who are very liberal in my opinion. I have to see things from a Christian perspective (being a born again believer) and I can not go with someone that is pro-abortion or pro-gay rights and I also am an avid hunter and shooting enthusiast and will not vote for someone that I believe will join the gun lobby. I think the Republicans need to be notified of the fact that without the Christian Evangelical base, they don't stand a chance in this next election. Im not saying they will vote for Devilcrats but, I am saying they might just stay home or look at something else like the Constitution Party. And I agree
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I hope it doesn't take 4 years of Hillary to wake this country and the Repubs up but Ill garantee if she gets in you will see a resurgence of the true Conservitive Republican Party and with a vengence(like what happened after Carter). That is if we live through Hillary, because sadly it will imbolden our enemies in the world and they will be free to attack us because the Democrats will sell us out. I don't have much confidense in the savvy of the General American Public to know what is best for this country and vote the right way either because for the most part their stupid and gullable and believe what ever CNN and MSNBC tells them
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legitlinda,Feb 12 2007
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You're right!!! We can NEVER stop the fight ... even if the powers that be decide against us, it is still our fight for our kids, grandkids, and future generations. Now we are facing battles on all fronts ... it is time for us to circle the wagons and shoot in all directions. We must decide who will work for America and who will work against America ... the choice should be easy ............................... but it isn't

The fight will go on, but if the Republicans won't do it, maybe it's time to look for a different party....

Linda, all that will do is to assure that we address the President as "Madame President" in the future. Looking for another party will just dilute the vote and give the Democrats what they lust for.
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gobblerblaster,Feb 12 2007
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The media is already annointing McCain and Gulioni who are very liberal in my opinion. I have to see things from a Christian perspective (being a born again believer) and I can not go with someone that is pro-abortion or pro-gay rights and I also am an avid hunter and shooting enthusiast and will not vote for someone that I believe will join the gun lobby. I think the Republicans need to be notified of the fact that without the Christian Evangelical base, they don't stand a chance in this next election. Im not saying they will vote for Devilcrats but, I am saying they might just stay home or look at something else like the Constitution Party. And I agree
I didn't leave my party they left me
I hope it doesn't take 4 years of Hillary to wake this country and the Repubs up but Ill garantee if she gets in you will see a resurgence of the true Conservitive Republican Party and with a vengence(like what happened after Carter). That is if we live through Hillary, because sadly it will imbolden our enemies in the world and they will be free to attack us because the Democrats will sell us out. I don't have much confidense in the savvy of the General American Public to know what is best for this country and vote the right way either because for the most part their stupid and gullable and believe what ever CNN and MSNBC tells them

Better to wake up before the nightmare! If the Christian Evangelical base moves to another party than the Republican, it will be a sure win for the Democrats. The Christian Evangelical base does not have the strength in numbers to win without staying with the Republicans. Nothihng is perfect and what I see people whining about in the Republican party is so much less than than the dangers that exist if there is s Democrat win, that I marvel that people can be talking the way they do. Go to Anandtech and look at the archives and see what liberals really think of Christianity. That will be what you are setting yourself up for if you vote independent.
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Condor,Feb 12 2007
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legitlinda,Feb 12 2007
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Toothless Dawg,Feb 11 2007
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You're right!!! We can NEVER stop the fight ... even if the powers that be decide against us, it is still our fight for our kids, grandkids, and future generations. Now we are facing battles on all fronts ... it is time for us to circle the wagons and shoot in all directions. We must decide who will work for America and who will work against America ... the choice should be easy ............................... but it isn't

The fight will go on, but if the Republicans won't do it, maybe it's time to look for a different party....

Linda, all that will do is to assure that we address the President as "Madame President" in the future. Looking for another party will just dilute the vote and give the Democrats what they lust for.

Obama is another SCARY direction.

He was a former Muslim and converted Christian.

According to sharia law, muslims are OBLIGATED to execute a person that leaves the Islam faith.

This puts this country at GRAVE danger, as the president would have several million executioners that say they have a right to assassinate the president.

Unless, of course, he decides that his neck is worth keeping and re-converts back to Islam right in the middle of his presidency, possibly setting up the US for a REALLY BAD SITUATION!
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Condor, I know that if The Hildebeast got elected, it would be a very stark contrast to what we have NOW.. But I've got news for ya.. If it were a McCain or Rudy victory, it wouldnt be all that much different than a Hillary win.. Even Romney has a vision of Universal Healthcare !!

What you are askin is like wantin me to vote for Bubba, cause he just attends those Clan meetins when they have free beer and he aint really a Member.. Or that he only beats his wife and kids 2 or 3 times a year when he dranks shine..

McCain and Rudy AINT FIT for the Office, and I aint gonna vote for somebody that aint..
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Like Libordy, Ron Paul is also a 9/11 sceptic:

Investigate 9/11 'cover-up'

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Wild Bill,Feb 12 2007
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Condor, I know that if The Hildebeast got elected, it would be a very stark contrast to what we have NOW.. But I've got news for ya.. If it were a McCain or Rudy victory, it wouldnt be all that much different than a Hillary win.. Even Romney has a vision of Universal Healthcare !!

What you are askin is like wantin me to vote for Bubba, cause he just attends those Clan meetins when they have free beer and he aint really a Member.. Or that he only beats his wife and kids 2 or 3 times a year when he dranks shine..

McCain and Rudy AINT FIT for the Office, and I aint gonna vote for somebody that aint..

Wild Bill,

Unfortunately we get to pick what we have to pick.

We may not who we have to pick from, that is why they call it the "worst of all evils".

Now honestly, if you were in the booth in November of 2008, and your two choices were Shillery and Romney - who would you pull the lever for?

I'm sure you would pick the "worst of all evils" like many of us.
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Romney is still on my list of GOOD Candidates, but Rudy and John aint.. But if the RNC choses to only givin me Rudy or John as options, nothin or nobody says that I HAVE to vote for anybody !!
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I'll vote for the lesser of two evils.

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Here is were I differ from most Repubs. I am bound to my strong convictions as a Christian not as a Republican. My first loyalty is to JESUS christ. not the Party that is waivering on the things I stand for and as you said Condor , we the Christian base probably can't win by moving to a third party but, the Republicans sure can't win without us. This is the point I am trying to make. I have to vote my convictions no matter what the chance of winning or losing and if another party stands closer to the moral standards that I have, I feel obligated to stand there because I know someday I will have to stand before the Almighty and explain why I did what I did and I 'll use David as my example. It didn't look in the natural like David could whip the giant but, he trusted God and did what he knew was the right thing no matter what it looked like the out come was going to be. If the Repubs see that we won't just go along and they can't just take us for granted than they will buck up and stop comprimising our values away. This country is turning into a moral stink hole and the Republicans are comprimising more and more with the filth in the Democratic Party that is sinking this country into the moral abyss. I like allot of the Republicans, We have to fine Senators from this state in Tom firebreathin Coburn and Jim Inhofe. I have voted Republican since I was old enough to vote and have never voted for a devilcrat and probably never will unless they make and aboutface (nah never happen) but, it is time the Repubs take notice and know that we are conviction and values based voters.
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If all the Christians didn't vote, it would surely make a difference, but if all the Christians do vote and continue to work within the party and help it to go in the right direction, that too will make a difference.

The Christians along with other values voters have made a big difference and have a lot to be thankful for.

Each person should vote or not vote as they choose.

It is written and has been quoted many times;

"A house divided against itsself cannot stand".

I will not at this time further divide the house intentionally.

I pray that we will have a person that is worthy of my vote, because that person stands closer to what His will is.

Thanks,

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