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Oprah Discovers "The Secret"
Topic Started: Feb 8 2007, 06:59 AM (2,194 Views)
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I haven't watched Oprah in 10 years, mainly because I knew in my heart what she was peddling to the American people, especially us women.

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OPRAH'S COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY





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By Marsha West

March 4, 2007

NewsWithViews.com

Well, here I go again writing about Oprah. I'm only doing it because of the overwhelming response I received from a previous article, Oprah Peddling Snake Oil.[1] In my article I stated the "inconvenient truth" about Oprah. She is not a Christian, although she says she is. My comment elicited a host of angry emails from liberals criticizing me for "judging Oprah."

Shall I be politically correct, or speak the truth?

A liberal Christian's fear of offending someone is what keeps them from speaking up about anything they deem controversial. Their favorite excuse is, "Who are we to judge?" While squeamish Christians went about their business, determined not to make judgments about anything or anyone for fear of being called "judgmental," truth was compromised.

This is not an ah-ha moment, people. Anyone can see that liberals and New Agers have hijacked the Church. There are forces at work to redefine Christianity. How are they doing it? By changing Christian theology to fit whatever the culture is. Oprah Winfrey "is in the process of deconstructing Christianity and reframing it into a New Age perspective."[2]

And the Queen of Daytime TV is a force to be reckoned with.

During a promotion for the occultic film The Secret (I'll explain in a minute) Oprah told the audience that she was a Christian as a child and that she is still a Christian.[3] Oprah is a savvy individual, but she is obviously deceived. Oprah Winfrey is no more a Christian than Rush Limbaugh is a liberal.

So why would Oprah make this statement? Is there an ulterior motive? An article by Watchman Fellowship, The Gospel According to Oprah, sheds light on her mission: "I want people to see things on our show that makes them think differently about their lives...To be a light for people. To make a difference...to open their minds and see things differently…how to get in touch wwith the spiritual part of their life." Unfortunately, the "light" Oprah offers is the "angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14), and "opening their minds," in this case means their brains fall out-they become empty headed (Romans 1:21-25)."[4]

Millions of people tune in to watch Oprah during the week. Her audience is mostly women who look to her for advice and direction in their lives, which she willing passes on through her guests and book recommendations. A multitude of women view Oprah as a role model. They literally hang on her every word. When she speaks, her audience listens. Whatever product she pushes, they purchase. She is so popular that fans have prodded her to run for President. So when Oprah announces that she's a Christian, many who share her worldview say to themselves, "Well then, I'm a Christian, too!"

I'm not over reacting at all. Liberals like Oprah have fooled millions of people into thinking they're Christians.

Before I go any further, let's look at the evidence to see whether or not Oprah, or anyone who believes what she does about Jesus Christ, is A) An authentic Christian or B) A New Age "Christian."

For those who are not familiar with the New Age Movement (NAM) here's the condensed version. At the very heart of NAM is mysticism. New Agers embrace a variety of occultic beliefs. NAM blends pantheistic (God in all) philosophies with Christian terminology. A good example of this is A Course in Miracles. The Course uses traditional Christian terminology but is decidedly non traditional. In other words, the Course uses Christian terms and changes the intended meaning.

The New Age movement has two major tenets: Evolutionary Godhood and Global Unity. For the purpose of this article I'll stick to Evolutionary Godhood.

Evolutionary Godhood can be best described as the evolution of body and spirit. The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry explains it this way,

"Man is developing and will soon leap forward into new spiritual horizons. Many New Age practices are designed to push one ahead into that horizon. Some of them are astral projection which is training your soul to leave your body and travel around; contacting spirits so they may speak through you or guide you; using crystals to purify your body's and mind's energy systems; visualization where you use mental imagery to imagine yourself as an animal, in the presence of a divine being, or being healed of sickness, etc."[5]

Other beliefs and practices include reincarnation, astrology, the magic arts, psychic healing, and the divinity of self or "Christ Consciousness," which has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, as Jesus is separated from what they dub "the Christ." For New Agers "the Christ" is divine and regarded as a cosmic, impersonal being. Listen to what Biblical Discernment Ministries says,

"A major idea in New Age thinking is that of the "Christ Consciousness." In other words, Christ is an office rather than an individual, such as Jesus, whom Christians know to be THE CHRIST. This idea of "Christ Consciousness" asserts that Jesus was not the only Christ, but that He equipped Himself to receive the "Christ Consciousness" (i.e., He was a great "spiritual master" who attained Christ Consciousness), as supposedly also did Buddha, Krishna, and Mohammed. [This is an old occult Gnostic teaching which stems from the ancient Babylonian mystery religions. New Agers also reinvent the historical Jesus by claiming that he spent 18 years in India (during His "silent years") absorbing Hinduism and the teachings of Buddha.] New Agers believe that Jesus received the Christ Consciousness at His baptism, and that it left Him at His crucifixion."[6]

Anyone who has this view of Jesus Christ is not a Christian. A mouse in the cookie jar should not be mistaken for a cookie.

My beef with Oprah is not that she espouses New Age beliefs and invites a steady stream of New Age notables such as Marianne Williamson, Kevin Reyerson, Maya Angelou, Jack Canfield and psychic medium James Van Praagh on her show. What I take issue with is Oprah telling millions of viewers that she's a Christian!

Oprah believes there are many paths to God. On one of her shows, "Oprah positively alluded to the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, stating in summary, '...that one of the biggest mistakes humans make is to believe that there is only one way. Actually, there are many diverse paths leading to what you call God.'" (Watch Oprah on video. See footnote #7) This flies in the face of historic orthodox Christianity's teaching that there is only one path to God, through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus said unequivocally, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

In my article, "Oprah Peddling Snake Oil"[8] I tackled Oprah's promotion of The Secret. Two shows were devoted to the book in February. Briefly, The Secret is a feature length movie that espouses New Age principles. Australian-born Rhonda Byrne is the person behind the documentary. The Secret is rooted in the so-called Law of Attraction, which allegedly governs the universe. The Law of Attraction means that every good or bad thing that happens to us, we draw to ourselves, be it positive or negative.

"Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand your actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, for they will become your character. Develop your character, for it becomes your destiny." –-Anonymous

In her article "Self-help gone nutty," L.A. Times columnist Karin Klein makes this observation about The Secret, "The scheme lays out a 'law of attraction' — a strange mmisreading of quantum physics — that asserts that the universe grantss your wishes because you are the 'most powerful transmission tower in the world.'"[9]

The Law of Attraction is nothing more than a theory that says humans are a magnet that attracts either negative or positive energy. This is bogus "science" which has no basis in fact.

To illustrate just how ludicrous this "science" really is, go to the link I've provided below[10] and listen to motivational speaker Bob Proctor, one of the teachers of The Secret, explain the Laws of Attraction and the Laws of Vibration. During the message, Proctor explains what The Secret does: "We help you get your mind in harmony with The Law of Attraction." Proctor and other motivational speakers teach their students that the Law of Attraction and the Law of Vibration govern our being. There are no accidents; we attract everything that comes into our lives. They say it's up to each us to dictate what we want to come into our life. Proctor explains that because we are spirit, not physical, we have the ability to dictate the vibration that our mind and body will be in. He claims, "The vibration we're in will dictate the energy we attract to us." The vibration decrees that we live in an ocean of motion and that we can move into either a positive or negative motion. Proctor urges us to "Start to understand the Law of Vibration. See how the Law of Attraction and the Law of Vibration are really in truth the same law. You can only attract to you the things that vibrate in harmony with you." What it all boils down to is positive vibration and negative vibration. The word-faith teachers call it “positive confession." But that's another article.

Karin Klein brings up this disturbing point, "Nothing happens to people that isn't brought to them by their own persistent thoughts, and the book strongly implies that this includes those killed in the Holocaust and the World Trade Center. Under this philosophy, why bother contributing to Oxfam or worrying about Darfur? What a guilt-reliever."[11]

Oprah admitted during her program that the message of The Secret is the message she has been trying to convey for over 20 years.

I received an email from Cindi in Georgia, who wrote, "When I ran across Oprah's show the other day…I knew that something strange was up, but couldn't put my fiinger on it. When I Googled "The Secret" I got a whole bunch of sites. One of them was very interesting. It was titled "What's the Secret?" and the only thing written underneath that was "privacy policy" in green. When I tapped on that particular entry it took me straight to a page that introduced me to a Rosicrucian site! That made it all make sense! I have visited the "homeplace" of the Rosicrucian's in San Jose, California. I spent some time in their library and it is chock full of "the wisdom of the ages." Everything from Jack Canfield's books, versions of the Bible, meditation material for public schools to the embalming literature they hold in such high esteem.

Still think Oprah's an authentic Christian?

Here's something most of Oprah's followers haven't heard, but Oprah is fully aware of. Rhonda Byrne was heavily influenced by Jerry and Esther Hicks, a married couple who channel a group of spirit guides (non-physical entities, a.k.a demons) who call themselves "Abraham." Participate in one of the Hicks' workshops and you will learn that "You are here in this body because you chose to be here." The Hicks had better be careful what they're teaching people. Jesus Christ, who with His mighty power, spoke the universe into existence, says, "For whoever exalts himself with be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted" (Matthew 23:12).

The gaggle of spirits has also passed this gem onto (or into) the Hicks: "The basis of your life is Freedom; the purpose of your life is Joy." Wrong. The purpose of our life is to live for God. Christians find their joy in Him. "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy" (1 Peter 1:8).

The deceitful spirits have also passed on this message to their willing accomplices: "You can not die; you are Everlasting Life." This statement is actually true. We've all been created with an eternal soul and "you cannot die." Either you will inherit the kingdom of heaven or you will spend eternity in hell. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (For further info on the teachings of "Abraham" see footnote #12) Gary Zukav is Oprah's Senior Spiritual Advisor. Kate Maver wrote an eye-opening article, Oprah Winfrey and Her Self-Help Saviors: Making the New Age Normal. Maver describes Gary Zukav this way,

"Despite his popularity among Winfrey's fans, Gary Zukav is among the least clear thinkers of our time. In 1989, he wrote a rambling quasireligious book, based loosely on a combination of Hinduism and Western values, called The Seat of the Soul. Winfrey found it a few years later, read it, and since then, Gary Zukav has become Senior Spiritual Advisor to Winfrey's audience in the Change Your Life phenomenon. … Zukav's main message is that we're here on this earth to learn lessons, and we'll be back again and again until we get it right. He softens the concept of karma by suggesting that people agree to their next life of suffering out of love, so they can learn the lessons they need to learn, or, better yet, to teach somebody else a lesson by their example. Somehow, this makes the karmic experiences of child abuse or mass starvation seem a little kinder and gentler — more sanitized for the benefit of middle-classs American sensibilities."[13]

The message in Zukav's book is, "Dwell in the company of your nonphysical Teachers and guides." Are they just nonphysical teachers as he claims, or are they something more sinister? How would a mere mortal like Zukav know if the spirits he channels are good or evil? The Bible warns that Satan comes to us as an angel of light. Ironically, Jesus drove spirits out of people. Zukav invites them in!

Oprah, Larry King and other celebrities are promoting The Secret DVD and the tie-in book to their audiences and it's selling like hot cakes. Already millions of people have been taken in by Byrne's New Age philosophy it espouses and are dabbling in dangerous occult practices. But "All is not well with the devotees in Winfrey's rose-colored world of the New Age," says Kate Maver. "People fail to change. They frustrate themselves attempting to maintain the constant joy and happiness that is so sought after in the New Age universe. They're told it is completely their own fault they cannot achieve this state of bliss; but they should be gentle with themselves, since the emotion of frustration has such low 'vibrational energy.' Obviously, they have more to learn. Why not buy another book?"

Exactly. The Secret is just another book! In fact, Byrne's book is a rehash of Esther and Jerry Hicks' book, Ask and it is Given. Going back to 1957, motivational speaker extraordinaire, Earl Nightingale, made a record called The Greatest Secret. Nightingale's "secret" is the same secret as Rhonda Byrne's so-called "secret." But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.

I've said it before, and at the risk of receiving 400 hate emails, I'll say it again. Oprah Winfrey is not an authentic Christian; she's a New Age "Christian." I did not intend to demean Oprah, only to make it crystal clear that she is not a true follower of Jesus Christ. Would a Christian say, "You are responsible for your life-the power of God is within you, above you and through you. You control your life." Could someone who deliberately lives a life that is inconsistent with the Word of God and embraces a worldview that is abhorrent to God, be a true follower of Jesus Christ?

 

The Apostle Paul was an authentic Christian. He knew it, too. Paul wrote many letters to the churches explaining what a follower of Jesus Christ must believe in, and how Christians should behave. The number of believers in the early church who were getting sucked into heretical teaching deeply troubled Paul. Sure, he was given a tough job to do, and in doing it he suffered many hardships. But God had called Paul to keep the Church in line -- and he kept at it until his head was separated from his body by a Roman executioner's sword. Should modern Christians do less for Christ?

 

Paul wrote this warning to the Galatians, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:8). Pastor Bob De Waay reminds us that, "It is safe to assume that an angel from heaven would be a nice person with good motives. But a false gospel is damning and still must be rejected. There are many "nice people" with damnable false teachings. We are not to judge the motives or the relative degree of righteousness of other believers. But we must judge what is taught, whether it is in accordance with the true gospel and what has been written in Scripture."
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Oh my gosh Bonds 7, this is exactly what I've been trying to say. I quit watching Oprah in 1992 when she had a woman on who had a near death experience (I don't know if it was Marianne Williamson) , this woman said she followed the light and went all the way to Jeus and was able to talk to him. Jesus told her that everybody goes to Heaven. Oprah looking so amazed, turns to the audience and says" Did you hear that? Jesus said we all go to Heaven"! So because this woman said this is what Jesus told her, Oprah just believes it, completely disregarding everything the Bible says about it.

I wrote a letter to Oprah telling her we don't want to hear her New Age views. This wasn't the only show she had on dealing with the New Age it was just the straw that broke the camels back with me.

About a year ago I started watching her now and then depending on who she had on and it seemed she was just doing entertainment, then I watched The Secret and saw that she was still full tilt New Age. There was one woman in the audience who was a Christian and tried to voice her concerns about this teaching, and Oprah said, "I'm a Christian", so I guess if Oprah's a Christian and she promotes this, it must be okay...huh. NOT!

This is why it's so important to weigh everything against the teachings in the Bible, so we can tell a counterfeit religion when we see one.

Thank you so much for posting this Wanda.
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legitlinda wrote:
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This is why it's so important to weigh everything against the teachings in the Bible, so we can tell a counterfeit religion when we see one.


Linda, how true and important this is.

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1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


Praise His Holy Name!

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I know people who are otherwise good Christians that take everything Oprah and Dr. Phil say for the Gospel and they don't even realize they are moving into Human Secularism and the New Age movement. Meanwhile their bible lays on the coffee table in the living room collecting dust. Just another sign of the times. We must be ready to help those that stray from the truth when the Lord calls us to speak to these that may be getting off track.
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I get off topics all the time . My ADHD kicks in alot . Just tell them you have ADHD. :plaf:
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Knew a guy that tried this type of "new" idea. He wanted a fancy car. Low and behold, there was a Corvette parked on the street with the keys in it.

The judge didn't believe him when he explained that it was there for him and he got 2-5 for car theft.

Anything we don't earn is charity or theft.
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Herb,

That is funny right there :garfield:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh,

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Psa 103:1 ¶ [[[A Psalm] of David.]] Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, [bless] his holy name.

Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Psa 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

Psa 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good [things; so that] thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

Psa 103:6 The LORD executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

Psa 103:7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

Psa 103:8 The LORD [is] merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Psa 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep [his anger] for ever.

Psa 103:10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

Psa 103:11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, [so] great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth [his] children, [so] the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we [are] dust.

Psa 103:15 [As for] man, his days [are] as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

Psa 103:16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.

Psa 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD [is] from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Psa 103:18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

Psa 103:19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.

Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

Psa 103:22 Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.

It is well that the children of God remember the benefits of serving Him.
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I am highlighting things for reasons that may not be understandable to some, they are my reasons though, questions for clarification are welcomed.

The main reasons for posting is to hopefully help show that serving God and being content in Him through Christ is the best way to get things and not to just try and get things that are in God's best way of us getting anything whether material gain, or spiritually or phsyically.

Some people believe in the forces that are apart from God in getting things or enlightenment, they are wrong according to the word of God as revealed in the Holy Bible.

I post the scriptures so others will hopefully read them, that as always is up to the individuals as it should be.

God is so good and has so much for us that we are not necessarily getting in ways, we should do things the way God wants them done.

My prayer is that in some way I will write or quote something that blesses someone.

Thanks,

Duke


Psa 37:1 ¶ [A Psalm] of David.] Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

Psa 37:2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

Psa 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; [so] shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Psa 37:5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring [it] to pass.

Psa 37:6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.

Psa 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

Psa 37:8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked [shall] not [be]: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it [shall] not [be].

Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.

Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, [and] to slay such as be of upright conversation.

Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.

Psa 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath [is] better than the riches of many wicked.

Psa 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.

Psa 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

Psa 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Psa 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.

Psa 37:22 For [such as be] blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and [they that be] cursed of him shall be cut off.

Psa 37:23 The steps of a [good] man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Psa 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth [him with] his hand.

Psa 37:25 I have been young, and [now] am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
Psa 37:26 [He is] ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed [is] blessed.

Psa 37:27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.

Psa 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

Psa 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

Psa 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Psa 37:31 The law of his God [is] in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psa 37:32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.

Psa 37:33 The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

Psa 37:34 Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see [it].

Psa 37:35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

Psa 37:36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he [was] not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.

Psa 37:37 Mark the perfect [man], and behold the upright: for the end of [that] man [is] peace.

Psa 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

Psa 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous [is] of the LORD: [he is] their strength in the time of trouble.

Psa 37:40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

On a side note;
You will notice something Jesus quoted from;

Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
it is recorded in;
Matthew - Chapter 5

The Old Testament is quoted many times by Jesus and the saints in the New testament, The Holy Bible is awesome and wonderful.
Side input;
Jesus said to some religious leaders that were rejecting Him and the scriptures about Him;


Jhn 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.

Jhn 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

Jhn 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

Jhn 5:36 But I have greater witness than [that] of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Jhn 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Jhn 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jhn 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?

This also would be a good post in the topic that was taking place in DNA Evidence, hopefully that topic will be unlocked and be allowed to continue.
The "Torah only" folks have a few things in common with the folks that opposed Jesus back then too.


Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

We have people today that still do the very same things that we should take warning about and they should allow the Spirit of God to speak to them too.

My darling/sweetheart has called to me, so I'll stop for now,
I intend to post more that deals directly with how we should get things according to scriptures instead of following folks like "The Secret" tries to lead people into.

Ya'll feel free to post the proper scriptures you know of or find and I thank you,

Duke
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I believe it was last week that Oprah had a guest on her show that has cancer and is 'fighting' it with "The Secret". I didn't watch most of it, but Oprah had that 'lawsuit' look in her eyes ....visions of Texas Cattlemen were dancing through her head!
I got supper in the oven, turned off the TV, went to the window and 'visualized' Spring - buds popping out on the trees, the soft grass and dandylions bright yellow!It didn't work ....tonight it's snowing and the extended 'visualization' says it's going to be cold with snow til next Friday.
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Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
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L Linda,

Thanks for participating to the Glory of God,

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I'll add this also;

Mat 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

The last verse is one that those among us that "thinks" we are sitting around waiting on Jesus to come, should take a look at, we are already part of His Kingdom and He is present in Spirit right now. We are His sheep and we already know Him, but we will absolutely see Him face to face, some sooner, but all in due season.
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In my last post we see that we are to deny ourselves and follow Jesus. This also is in that post;

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

I expand on those scriptures a bit by saying that we are to deny ourselves of getting things the wrong way and from the wrong powers too.

In this post I want to point out that Abram dealt with Melchizedek and the King of Sodom very differently and refused getting anything that could be considered as from him/King of Sodom.

See Abram even before he was renamed Abraham;


Gen 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that [were] with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which [is] the king's dale.

Gen 14:18 ¶ And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. ( Abram paid tithes to him)

Gen 14:21 ¶ And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen 14:23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Gen 14:24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Abram refused what the king of Sodom offered, but paid tithes to the King of Salem, Melchizedek.

We too should refuse getting things from the wrong people and the wrong powers, that is no secret right there.


A little note;
When one reads the whole chpt 14 of Gen. it is clear that the King of Sodom came out of hiding from his enemies and was offering the things that Abram and his men had taken back that had been taken by others from Sodom.

Abram only wanted the things that belonged to those of his people that was living in Sodom and had been taken captive when they were attacked and all the goods taken from "them", Lot was one of those of Abram's people.

He accepted that which was already eaten.

He accepted nothing from the King for himself and let the King keep all the things that belonged to him and his people.

Gen 14:13 ¶ And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these [were] confederate with Abram. (That clarifies who these folks were.)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
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It is clear to us all that in life we hear things from all kinds of people with differing and simular beliefs spiritually.

We also hear many beliefs on social, political, etc.,,, issues, the choices of voices we align ourselves with can be of great importance.

I expect folks to look at what I say and judge for themselves, I hear and look at what others say and do very carefully according to the depth of importance of the subject(s).

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And Duke, you can find out a lot of why they do that Here
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Almtnman,

Thanks for the word link, I read the whole chapter.

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"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ

Many of you, like me, have probably been Oprah fans for a long time. This is very discouraging news to hear about one who has such tremendous influence on the general public. Please ask God to show Oprah the real Jesus Christ.

Just to make sure this was true, I went on Oprah's website and there it is. The below article is very interesting, so I thought I would share.

Subject: Oprah joins false prophets Bible warned about

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm or

"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ

Jesus Christ being reinvented, redefined, and blasphemed and, this false New- Age Christ teaching is about to make huge inroads into the world, with the help of the queen of television talk shows, Oprah Winfrey.

Oprah Winfrey, beginning January 1, 2008, on her daily radio program will offer a year-long course on the New Age Christ , in a lesson a day and completely cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles "Workbook."

Listeners will be encouraged to buy A Course in Miracles for the year-long course, and an audio version, recited by Richard (John Boy Walton) Thomas will be available on compact disc.

Those who finish the Course will have a wholly redefined spiritual mindset-a New Age worldview that include the beliefs that there is no sin, no evil, no devil. A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink everything they believe about God and life, and, bluntly states: "This is a course in mind training" and is dedicated to "thought reversal."

The Course in Miracles -in reality-is the truth of the Bible turned upside down.

Oprah told her television audience that Williamson's book, A Course in Miracles was one of her favorite books, and that she had already bought a thousand copies and would be handing them out to everyone in her studio audience. Oprah's endorsement skyrocketed Williamson's book to the top of the New York Times bestseller list .

A Course in Miracles is allegedly a "new revelation" from "Jesus" to help humanity work through these troubled times. This "Jesus"-who bears no doctrinal resemblance to the Bible's Jesus Christ-began delivering channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University Professor of Medical Psychology, Helen Schucman.

One day Schucman heard an "inner voice" stating, "This is a course in miracles. Please take notes." For seven years she diligently took spiritual dictation from this voice that described himself as "Jesus."

Here are some quotes from the "Jesus" voice of A Course in Miracles :

· "There is no sin . . . "

· A "slain Christ has no meaning."

· "The journey to the cross should be the last ' useless journey."

· "Do not make the pathetic error of 'clinging to the old rugged cross.'"

· "The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol... It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all the gods to which you pray."

· "The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself."

· "The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation."

Popular author Wayne Dyer told his PBS television audience that the "brilliant writing" of A Course in Miracles would produce more peace in the world .

The Course in Miracles-based book, Forgiveness, continues to be sold in Robert Schuller's Crystal Cathedral bookstore as Schuller prepares to host a January 17-19, 2008, "Rethink Conference" at his Crystal Cathedral.



2 Timothy 3 (King James Version)

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2 Timothy 3

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Isn't it strange that those who have reaped some of the greatest bounty of this country built on Christian and Judea beliefs go out of their way to destroy the very foundations of this country.

I will not profess to know my ultimate demise but believe that people like Oprah, George Soros and the rest of these lost progressive souls will never understand or comprehend why they are being cast into the fires of hell on judgment day. People like the false prophet mohamand (curses be his name), Hitler, and Charles Manson will know why they are being cast into hell but these idiots will never figure it out. We can only pray they see the light before it is to late and they utilizes their resources to glorify God and his son Jesus.
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I remember years ago when Oprah first started having shows about this New Age stuff. That's when I quit watching Oprah. My mother, sister, and I wrote her letters about her New Age philosophy. She was highly insulted.

This stuff has crept it's way into a lot of churches by Pastor's who have fallen for these lies and the congregation doesn't even know they are being led down the path of destruction.

If you say anything about it all hell breaks loose with cries of "touch not God's anointed". Let me tell you that no one is above being questioned as to whether they are teaching the truth of God's word. If they don't like it, that's a red flag that you should get out of that place.

Back in the 90's I read a few books on cults and the New Age. Walter Martin's Kingdom of the Cults and Hank Hanegraaff's book, Christianity in Crisis, about preachers who are spreading these lies to unsuspecting people. I'm sure that some of these preacher's don't even realize what they're teaching is New Age false doctrine, but I think some do know. I see that Robert Schuller is an example of a Preacher with a huge congregation spreading the lies of the enemy.

Hank Hanegraaff is also known as the Bible Answer Man.

http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Bible_Answer_Man/

Another site is the Christian Research Institute

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMNJrE/b.2106253/

It's because of those books that I knew immediately what Oprah was espousing on her shows as far back as the 90's was New Age false doctrine.

If you read these books please do it prayerfully with a heart for the truth even if that truth hurts. I have had to rethink things that I was taught and held dear, but when held up to the truth of the Bible they didn't measure up. It's not always an easy thing to do; finding out what you believed is a lie. Many of those lies are not as blatant as the ones listed in the article. We Christians know immediately that those things are lies, but there are more subtle lies that the enemy uses for people who are not so easily swayed.

Remember there is going to be a strong delusion in the End Times that will even cause the Elect to be fooled if it is possible.


Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.King James Version 1611, 1769


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Are you talking about the new book - "A New Earth", written by a man named Tolle?
I watched Oprah today, and thought I would like to get myself into town and buy that book! A man stood up in her audience and professed to the fact that he got his panties all in a bunch when somebody took his parking space ....can you imagine that?!! Since he read the book, I guess he 'grew legs' and his life has changed for the better! With knowing that it changed just one person's life, I decided that I like ME, just the way I am and I don't need any other book to tell me how I 'ought' to be! If you live by the Word of Jesus, then your panties will never be in a bunch.
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Course in Miracles is what Almtnman posted about. Oprah is pushing this New Age philosophy and unfortunately a lot of people trust her and will be sucked in by this. We should educate ourselves about it about so we can tell people the truth.

There's more info about it here.
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More on the church of Oprah.

Oprah has rejected the Truth of God for a lie and is intent on taking as many as she can with her.
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I decided that I like ME, just the way I am and I don't need any other book to tell me how I 'ought' to be! If you live by the Word of Jesus, then your panties will never be in a bunch.


Yes'm ... we like you just being YOU also!!! A book is merely another human's thought process put into mere words in order to make money. I've not learned to durn much good from other human's in my first 63 years ... but I've learned a ton from the Word of God in a far shorter time.
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I just got in from church and Oprah's ears must have been burning for a while. The sermon was about her and her fake religion and the pastor told us that anyone that followed Oprah would be following her straight to Hell. The sad part of this is; people have got conditioned to believing what media people like Oprah says because they have high show rankings and a lot of people will follow a person like that not knowing that it's not going to get them to where they want to be.

The Church of Oprah Exposed
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I think the word is "superficial" - we 'see' what we want to see, we 'hear' what sounds good to us. Some people want to follow an easy path in life and believe their life is one big, happy, self-centered party without consequence. They look into no ones heart and they don't look into their own. Superficial.
I just have to wonder who these folks will call out to when their 'path' gets mucked up and they fall? I believe our souls or spirits are all connected to God - if you put Him out of your life ....who do you call upon?
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Ali,Apr 6 2008
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I think the word is "superficial" - we 'see' what we want to see, we 'hear' what sounds good to us.  Some people want to follow an easy path in life and believe their life is one big, happy, self-centered party without consequence.  They look into no ones heart and they don't look into their own.  Superficial.
I just have to wonder who these folks will call out to when their 'path' gets mucked up and they fall?  I believe our souls or spirits are all connected to God - if you put Him out of your life ....who do you call upon?


2 Timothy 4

Almtnman I'm so glad to hear that your Preacher is talking about this. We need to spread the word.

Ali, you're right, some people only go where they hear what they want to hear.


1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Oprah has such a huge following of people who hang on her every word and are following her to their own destruction. That's why we need to expose her false doctrine in the hopes the we can save some from that path.

Jud 1:22 And convince some, who doubt; Jud 1:23 save some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Oprah knew the truth but traded it for a lie. If you watch the video link I posted you'll see that two women in the audience are challenging Oprah with what Jesus said about Him being the only way to the Father and Oprah says "...It's not possible that there's only one way". So Oprah thinks she knows more than Jesus... and people follow her.
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Good article CW. This is what I was talking about with some old members who aren't here anymore, and why I tried to expose the lies they were spreading. If these lies go unchallenged people who don't know better may get the impression that it's the truth.

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Since the spiritual climate has changed, "enlightened" prophets expect the current awakening to reach a critical mass that will usher all of humanity (except uncompromising resisters) into the New Earth: a physical manifestation of the New Heaven (which has nothing in common with the Biblical heaven). Detached from "form," the people will know their identity as "I AM," or universal "Consciousness."


To identify themselves as "I AM" is total blasphemy.[/color]

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Oprah discovers the 'secret'??? Then it MUST be of man because the Word of God is NO secret and is out there for everybody ... all they have to do is ask.

365 days a year ... 24/7 ... "Dear God, here I am ... help me and show me the way"
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Toothless Dawg,Apr 7 2008
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Oprah discovers the 'secret'??? Then it MUST be of man because the Word of God is NO secret and is out there for everybody ... all they have to do is ask.

365 days a year ... 24/7 ... "Dear God, here I am ... help me and show me the way"

Amen Dawg! And we can also...Go tell it on the Mountain... ;)

They usually sing this at Christmas but I think it works 365 days a year ... 24/7 too.
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Oprah is Starting Her Own Cult?
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Harpo is always into sooomething!

This time she joins in something that has been happening for a long time and will continue yet a while.

People have been led astray as far back as the book of Genesis by confusion and out right lies, Lucifer there used the serpent to misrepresent what God ACTUALLY said, now he uses Oprah and those she anoints and those that anoint her in veiled unholiness.

The jesus Harpo's bunch speaks of is not the true Jesus of the Holy Bible, he is a twisted misrepresentation, their impostor, which in fact is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Put lipstick and even a robe on a pig and he is still a pig, even if some people think differently.

It hurts that people fall for such and I've witnessed those that have been here and some still here that do not know enough of the truth to keep from falling further and further away from God.

I'm thankful to see the folks here that are on top of the situation and speaking the truth.

God bless y'all,

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I don't know, I think people are looking for answers in other places. Maybe they don't want to live by the rules of the Bible 'all together' and are looking for a 'shortcut'. (I don't believe there are any!)
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Scriptures from KJV;


Jhn 10:1 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.


Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.


Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.


Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.


Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.


Jhn 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.


Jhn 10:7 ¶ Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.


Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.


Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.


Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.


Jhn 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


Jhn 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.


Jhn 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.


Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.

Jesus also said;

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus didn't say I am the best way, as in there may be another, He said: I AM THE WAY.

Man is always looking for short cuts and we remember reading about the tower of babel where they were going to build their way to heaven. :wacko:

Some try to live life like; can I do this and still go to heaven or can I do that and still g?o, instead of fully giving themselves to Him and getting the good He has for them.

They forget the small group of people that were saved from Sodom and Gamorah(sp?), they think they can serve God and keep their old ways, sadly many like Lot's wife will never get the benefits of knowing and serving Him, because they just can't turn loose of something, not realizing that God never takes something that He doesn't replace with something better.

One cannot serve God and mammon(scripture), they forget that where their treasure is their heart will be there too(paraphrased scripture.)
Whatever it is we put before or instead of God should be put in its proper place and perspective, and that is not between God and us.

Man forgets that the world had a lot of people in it at the time of Noah's flood and that only, I think eigh?t were saved.

Simply put; people( the natural man) want things their way and go about getting it even to the point of compromising a relationship with God, they fall short.

I'm going too long again, I'll end with this;




Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:


Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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I saw a commercial the other day for an upcoming Oprah show and she had someone on who would help you get in touch with who you were in your PAST lives.... ^_^ :thinking about it:
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bsb006,May 15 2008
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I saw a commercial the other day for an upcoming Oprah show and she had someone on who would help you get in touch with who you were in your PAST lives.... ^_^ :thinking about it:

Let's just start calling her "Doprah"! :lol:
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Ahhh yes, in my previous life (co-existent) I was Elvis the Pelvis ... but when he died all I had left was the P ... gittin' old ain't always pretty :unsure:
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Maybe she's trying to figure out how to carry her money to the next life. :faint:
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