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The South Sux!; Yuppies stay home
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The South Sucks?
By Doug Giles
Saturday, January 13, 2007
“Mississippi gets more than their fair share back in federal money, but who the hell wants to live in Mississippi?” -Charles Rangle, New York Congressman, 2006

If you listen to the Ditsy Chicks, if you like Rosie O’Doggerel and if you think John Kerry is cool, then more than likely you assume the South sucks. Yep, our current culture has been brow beaten by the loons on the Left into viewing the South as societal swill.

In Hollywood, the hedonistic thought thugs make certain that Southerners are tarred and feathered as inbred, Ricky Bobby, moonshine slammin’, KKKMart shoppin’, fat back eatin’, cousin humpin’ square dancers with three teeth and an IQ of 50.

The liberal Belief Police want America to hate the South because the South represents the Secular Regressive’s (SR) chief political and cultural (and armed, I might add) high hurdle.

The autoerotic “elite,” which form the intellectually line bred gene pool of the soulless Left, are hell bent to bar from our borders all praises and practices of the principles which have made the South substantial. What are the things that make Dixie so darn good? Well, I know it’s hard for those of you who are wedged up Hollywood’s backside to understand our virtues, but its stuff like author Clint Johnson points out in his predestined to be best-seller The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South (and Why it Will Rise Again) . . .

• A strong sense of patriotism that protects the rest of the nation. Dasypygals on the left who incessantly bash the South and hate everything sweet home Alabama stands for ought to eat a little sautéed crow tonight and send the South a thank you card in the morning, as the South makes up the overwhelming majority of the armed forces who protect our country and are willing to take a bullet for these ungrateful and derisive jackasses. The South accounts for 35% of the population, but 41% of the military recruits.

• A conscience about race relations. Johnson states, “The South has never denied its role in perpetuating slavery. The South and only the South have apologized profusely for its role in slavery.” Since the slave days, “black income in the region has steadily increased, neighborhoods have been integrated, black politicians have been elected to major offices, and black business people have emerged to head national corporations. In the south regional patriotism trumps race any old day.” And if the South hates blacks the way the way your lesbian US History teacher says they do, then why, according to the 2003 US Census Bureau, are hundreds of thousands of blacks blowing off the North and moving down South, huh?

• A sense of morals and religion. The fact that we haven’t flushed God and Christ down the toilet, as the anti-Christ secularists want us to do, has made the liberal, tassel-shoed Nancy’s have a hissy. When other sectors of our society are shamefully caving to the godless cabal’s secular agenda and keeping quite about their convictions, the South sits back, yawns, scratches its belly, and then shoots these glib sisters a defiant rebel finger. In addition, no matter how much the liberal Presidential dopefuls play the “we like Jesus and Moses, too” card in the upcoming ’08 election, the South isn’t fooled. We see the fecal fumes coming off their heads. Serious faith is a southern thang, a conservative thang, and not a 21st century liberal thang.

• A welcoming environment for business. WalMart (the world’s largest retailer), Exxon, FedEx, Coca-Cola, Lowe’s, Delta, Krispy Kreme, Toyota, Honda, Saturn, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes and Home Depot (as well as a slew of others) are finding that they don’t need Rust Belt to rake in the cash as the Bible Belt is working mighty fine for them.

• A creative atmosphere. Clint further prods the north by taunting them with their lack of creativity. He states that, “few folks think about ‘northern literature,’ but there is an abundance of southern literature. There’s no such thing as northern music. I’m sorry, rap is a NY derivative. But then again rap is not music. There is, though, country music, southern rock, southern jazz, southern blues and bluegrass. CJ goes on to say that “there is something about southern lovers, rivers, dogs, ex-wives, ex-husbands, magnolias, pine trees, eccentrics, and soldiers that keep writers and musicians inspired. “

• Real men. “Southern men are gentlemen, but they’re also uncompromising, opinionated, and won’t defer to what ‘the group’ wants. . . . ” America needs men who stick by their guns and southern men do just that. Southern men, saith Clint, don’t flip flop; they stick to the convictions and principles they got from their families. Remember families?

• Real women. Unlike the female chauvinist pigs on the Left, Southern women are charming and ladylike and like their menfolk, they have backbones of steel. Also, note to single guys: from Georgia peaches to Mississippi belles, there’s no doubt about it: southern women are prettier. Since the first Miss America pageant in 1921, one-third of the winners have been Southern.

In the latest installment of the bestselling Politically Incorrect Guide™ series, The Politically Incorrect Guide™ to the South (and Why it Will Rise Again), author Clint Johnson exposes the controversial truth—the South is the essence of what’s original, unique, and most-loved about American culture. From the founding fathers to the frontier explorers, rock and roll to the movies, barbecue to sweet tea, NASCAR to NASA, slavery to segregation, no ugly rumor will be left standing in this book (from the press release).

“Today, there is an open, not-at-all-secret conspiracy to erase Dixie and all vestiges of the old South from public memory. The South is all about memory, heritage, and pride of place. I refuse to go along with the expunging of that memory, heritage, and pride. Only those things give us a true understanding of what it means to be a Southerner, and an American,” says Johnson.
And here’s a few more things that secular reality stylists don’t want you to know about the South:

• Southerners wrote the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights

• The Civil War was not a true civil war, nor was it driven by slavery

• Southern women had independence, equality, and freedom decades before suffrage

• The South, not the West, started the Hollywood movie scene, blues, jazz, and rock and roll

My advice to those who want to engage the secularists in the culture clash: Buy Johnson’s book and get deprogrammed. What Clint has penned about the South is well researched, and it’s funnier than a loud fart in church. You will not here this stuff within the haggard halls of revisionist universities. More than likely, towards the middle of the book (if you love the US and how it was originally constituted) you’ll start whistlin’ Dixie, which was, by the way, one of Abe Lincoln’s favorite songs.

* Logon to www.ClashRadio.com and watch Giles’ new video blurb: “How to be a Soulless Vapid Waste of Space.” In addition, listen to Doug’s interview with hunting/firearms expert and activist, Kelsey Hilderbrand of www.luvtohunt.com . ClashTV can be seen throughout the week on NRB TV DirectTV Channel 378.
Doug Giles is the creator and host of The Clash radio shows, winners of seven Silver Microphone Awards and two Communicator Awards in the last three years, and a contributing columnist on Townhall.com.

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One other thing about the south that I might have missed in your post is also interesting if one thinks about it for a while. I do a lot of genealogical research in my spare time, been doing it since I was about 17 years old and found a lot of info during all those years. So here goes, I found that most of the originators of this country probably have ancestors that live in the south. This is the people that got this country underway when it was first formed. Here's how it went. They came over by ship and landed at Ellis Island, Charleston, Savannah and most of the ports on the Atlantic. They came because they didn't like their Motherland and wanted something different. After the Revolutionary War, they wanted to homestead new land and the government gave away large tracts to get them to migrate so the new homeland could become populated. If you actually served in the Revolutionary War, the government gave you 640 acres for every term you served. One of my ancestors served four terms, one for himself and three for 3 of his brothers, so he got a lot of land and divided it out with the family. There wasn't any population on the western side of the Appalachians becaue all of the land west of there was Indian territory and very few ventured there expect for a few brave one's, longhunters and mountainmen. The ones that did migrate across suffered greatly from indian raids and many were killed and their homesteads burnt to the ground. So the migration route was down from up north along the eastern side of the Appalachians going down through PA, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL and then turned westward from that point. Some went over the Cumberland Gap, but meet a lot of resistance in the indian lands, so the majority kept pushing in a southernly direction until they got down to Georgia and Alabama and then headed west settling in all the places that I mentioned and continuing on westward. They brought with them the original language that had came with them from the original motherland. All this is very well documented when you do a little checking, so in essence when you talk about the south, you're talking about the very original settlers of America. These people were the proud and brave to migrate and take in new lands to build this country to what it is today.
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I DID IT POST RESTORED!!!!!!


Test-A-Fy - truth only hurts the guilty.

One of the dirty secrets of the Civil War was that slavery would not have been a Southern institution if not for the industrial northeast.
The best cotton on Earth grows in the South; it is better than the north african or Indian varieties, with longer thread and greater volume, and it takes less of it to make textiles.
The mills of the North wouldn't have been able to compete without the Southern variety of cotton; they produced the cotton textile that Britain marketed to Europe, and the British economy was critically dependant on it.
Despite the Union blockade there was an understanding that the North would allow the export of Southern cotton by any means - because the northern textile mills would have gone out of business during the war otherwise (they nearly did after the war - thanks to the destruction of nearly all Southern cotton plantations).
There was simply not enough manpower in the South for cotton plantations to meet the huge demand of northern textile mills without resorting to slave labor.

The other dirty little secret is Reconstruction - one of the main aims of it was to restore cotton production as quickly as possible; the Northern mill owners were breathing down Washington's neck to get the industry back up running. The British were going to other sources (mainly India) for their cotton cloth and the Northern textile industry so critical to Northern prosperity was on the verge of collapse.

The "Carpetbagger" was a Northerner who bought an abandoned plantation (at a rock bottom price from the Union authorities) and tried to get it up and running again. They would pay ex-slaves to work cotton - unfortunately ex-slaves wanted no part of cotton ever again, even for pay. In fact they wanted the plantations divided up into subsistance farms for food production.

No way! The much touted "40 acres and a mule" came a distant second to the Northern need for a resurrected cotton industry. This led to the astonishing and wide practice of Union troops rounding up "vagrant" ex-slaves and taking them to Carpetbagger-owned plantations, where they were forced to work cotton for wages.

This practice initiated the migration of ex-slaves to the North to escape compulsory paid labor on plantations. "It ain't slavery - we pay them!"

These Carpetbagger plantations only stayed in business as long as the Union Army was in the South to provide a workforce of unwilling laborers. Once the Union Army withdrew and large numbers of ex-slaves had left the South, these plantations failed for the most part, and the Northern textile industry began its decline - triggering mass unemployment and depression in the North.

Plantations went from slave labor to the sharecropper system - and the federal government embarked on the long lived farm subsidy system to keep Southern agricultural production at as high a level as possible.

The KKK? It's greatest numbers are in NORTHERN states! It's rise there was triggered by the influx of ex-slaves willing to work for less, who displaced white Northern factory workers from their jobs in large numbers - leading to the large Westward Migration of the postwar era.
In fact once the majority vote was returned to Southern whites after Reconstruction, the original Klan disbanded. Their goal - ending the disenfranchisement of ex-Confederates and ending the political rule of Carpetbaggers - had been achieved.
What passes for the "Klan" today was in fact revived by the NORTHERN KLANSMEN whose problem - black employment competition - was still a serious ongoing problem.

One of the best books about the Southern Army - "Company Aytch" - describes the common soldier's feeling that it was a "rich man's war but a poor man's fight"; how most soldiers considered themselves "Union men" with little sympathy for the Secessionist Cause - the "Rich Man's Cause" led by wealthy Southern whites.
"Why do we fight the Yankees? Because they're here!" was the credo of the large majority of Confederate soldiers. They cared little about helping the rich plantation owners keep their slave empire - it only deprived them of needed work on plantations! Why hire whites for wages when slaves work for free? Yet vengeful Northern radicals reserved their worst treatment for poor Southern whites, and deprived them of the right to vote even after they had taken loyalty oaths to the Constitution as the federal government demanded as a condition for regaining the right to vote.
Like the author of Company Aytch I am a Southern Union Man.

The most obscene part of it all is that this destruction was the result of northeastern Puritan-Cromwell Republican hatred of their former Scots-Irish and Royalist opponents of the English Civil War, who had settled mainly in the South.
The American Civil War was in fact a REPLAY of the English Civil War!

The place you find the worst lingering hate for "Rebels" is in the predominately old English states of New England! The same batch of hypocrites who benefited most from the textile based northeast economy that relied on Southern slave labor for the cheap materials that made New England prosperous!



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Now that I backed up and deleted all the bottom posts, lets stay on topic with this thread.

The topic is not about the here and now or hatred of any part of the country or whether you're an American, Chinese or any other nationality, it's about the past and what happened back then, so stick with that thread if you post here any farther. If you don't know what happened in the past, I would suggest that you study up on it before posting about what happens in the present. I will not tolerate injecting what happened in the past with anyone's viewpoint of the present day time.

If it happens again and I have to do more altering to this topic, I will just close it.
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In the spirit of the kind soul who raised me, Gentle Southern Lady
if I have given offense
thusly do I make amends
we are One People
Indivisable
I know no other loyalty
and have no Other Friends
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Grits,

You certainly are a Southern Gentleman and we are grateful for you kind apology and offer ours in return.

Sincerely,
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Tariffs, not slavery!

by Jack McMillan, Ph.D.

The American educational system continues perpetuating a myth regarding the War for Southern Independence (often mistakenly called "The Civil War", a misnomer). Teachers using government- mandated, Northern-produced texts inform students the conflict centered solely on slavery, with Abraham Lincoln "The Great Emancipator" sending Union troops to "make men free". Nothing could be more untrue. We realize the wisdom in the adages that history-books are written by the victors and that truth is war's first casualty. Like other complex human activities, wars often have a number of underlying causes. In this article, I shall provide the reader with an overview of the primary causi belli of the War for Southern Independence, the issue of tariffs.

Far from being a mundane topic, taxation has been at the heart of the American political spirit. The original 13 American colonies formally dissolved ties with the British Empire due to the issue of taxation without representation. Penned by that great Virginian Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence stands out as this nation's first Article of Secession. In it, the colonies' grievances are listed. Amongst the litany of injustices committed by King George III, Jefferson mentions " For imposing Taxes upon us without our Consent." This split over taxation is a recurring theme in American history.

The precursor to Southern secession in fact occurred 30 years before the hostilities of 1861-1865. In 1828 and again in 1832, Congress passed tariffs legislation benefiting northern mercantile interests but injuring the South's agricultural economy. Heavy protectionist tariffs gave northern manufacturers an advantage by decreasing foreign competition, but forced the South to pay the bulk of federal taxes, as the South was a net exporter of raw goods and a net importer of manufactured products. These "Tariffs of Abominations" led Senator John C. Calhoun to declare the law unjust and a convention was held in South Carolina to nullify the federal tariff law. President Andrew Jackson threatened to send troops to enforce the tariff, but eventually the Compromise of 1833 was reached and taxes were lowered over a four-year period. As Professor Charles Adams states in his book For Good and Evil: The Impact of Taxes on the Course of Civilization, " … the South paid about three-quarters of all federal taxes, most of which were spent in the North."

The election of 1860 was perhaps the most contentious in American history. The Democratic Party split with the northern faction voting for Stephen Douglass, the southern faction for John Breckinridge. Additionally the Constitutional Unionist Party (the renamed Whig Party) ran John Bell as a candidate and carried three states (Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia). Lincoln won with a mere 39% of the popular and not a single electoral vote from the South. As Salomon DeRothschild, a visitor to America at the time writes, " This state of affairs could have continued … if the two divisions, South and North, of the Democratic party had not split at the last electoral convention. Since each of them carried a different dandidate, they surrendered power to a third thief, Lincoln, the Republican choice."

The secession of Southern States began with South Carolina, where tax issues had been at the forefront 30 years earlier. Contrary to what is now taught, slavery was not the primary issue. While it is unfortunate slavery existed, the blame cannot placed solely on the South; slavery existed in the North as well (it is interesting to note Delaware, a Northern slave state, refused to ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing the institution). Further, New England slavers from their homeports in Massachusetts and New York brought slaves to America in the first place!

With the election of Lincoln, the South realized northern manufacturers and bankers would have their puppet in the White House. Again Professor Adams states, "...Lincoln was supported in his bid for the presidency by the rich industrialists of the North. He was their man and he had long been their lawyer … No sooner had Congress assembled in 1861 than the high tariff was passed into law and signed by Lincoln. The Morrill Tariff, as it was called, was the highest tariff in U.S. history." Adams also notes, " Secession by the South was a reaction against Lincoln's high-tax policy. In 1861 the slave issue was not critical ... The leaders of the South believed secession would attract trade to Charleston, Savannah, and new Orleans, replacing Boston, New York, and Philadelphia as the chief trading ports of America, primarily because of low taxes." Note the Confederacy lowered taxes! To the charge often leveled that the newly formed Confederacy started the hostilities, Adams correctly points out " … with the import taxes, he (Lincoln) was threatening. Fort Sumter was at the entrance to the Charleston Harbor, filled with federal troops to support U.S. Customs officers. It wasn't too difficult for angry South Carolinians to fire the first shot." Again, Rothschild writing to his cousin in London in 1861 notes, " I'll come back later to the "slavery" question, which was the first pretext for secession, but which was just a pretext and is now secondary. The true reason which impelled the Southern states to secede is the question of tariffs."

Lincoln's election guaranteed a return of past disastrous policies and forced the Southern States to secede. Writers of the day confirm this. In Great Britain, many intellectuals and political leaders saw Lincoln's War for exactly what it was - a dispute over taxation. Charles Dickens writes, "The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern States." Dickens goes on to say " … Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means the loss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the root of this as of many other evils … The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel." Let us quote a passage from The Northern British Review, Edinburgh, 1862, " ... All Northern products are now protected: and the Morrill Tariff is a very masterpiece of folly and injustice. No wonder then that the citizens of the seceding States should feel for half a century they have sacrificed to enhance the powers and profits of the North; and should conclude, after much futile remonstrance, that only in secession could they hope to find redress."

I shall conclude this article with a passage written by John Reagan, Postmaster General of the Confederacy. " You are not content with the vast millions of tribute we pay you annually under the operation of our revenue laws, our navigation laws, your fishing bounties, and by making your people our manufacturers, our merchants, our shippers. You are not satisfied with the vast tribute we pay you to build up your great cities, your railroads, and your canals. You are not satisfied with the millions of tribute we have been paying you on account of the balance of exchange, which you hold against us. You are not satisfied that we of the South are almost reduced to the condition of overseers of northern capitalists. You are not satisfied with all this; but you must wage a relentless crusade against our rights."
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First Shot at Ft. Sumter

On March 5, 1861, the day after his inauguration as president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln received a message from Maj. Robert Anderson, commander of the U.S. troops holding Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. The message stated that there was less than a six week supply of food left in the fort.

Attempts by the Confederate government to settle its differences with the Union were spurned by Lincoln, and the Confederacy felt it could no longer tolerate the presense of a foreign force in its territory. Believing a conflict to be inevitable, Lincoln ingeniously devised a plan that would cause the Confederates to fire the first shot and thus, he hoped, inspire the states that had not yet seceded to unite in the effort to restore the Union.

On April 8, Lincoln notified Gov. Francis Pickens of South Carolina that he would attempt to resupply the fort. The Confederate commander at Charleston, Gen.P.G.T. Beauregard, was ordered by the Confederate government to demand the evacuation of the fort and if refused, to force its evacuation. On April 11, General Beauregard delivered the ultimatum to Anderson, who replied, "Gentlemen, if you do not batter the fort to pieces about us, we shall be starved out in a few days." On direction of the Confederate government in Montgomery, Beauregard notified Anderson that if he would state the time of his evacuation, the Southern forces would hold their fire. Anderson replied that he would evacuate by noon on April 15 unless he received other instructions or additional supplies from his government. (The supply ships were expected before that time.) Told that his answer was unacceptable and that Beauregard would open fire in one hour, Anderson shook the hands of the messengers and said in parting, "If we do not meet again in this world, I hope we may meet in the better one." At 4:30 A.M. on April 12, 1861, 43 Confederate guns in a ring around Fort Sumter began the bombardment that initiated the bloodiest war in American history.

In her Charleston hotel room, diarist Mary Chesnet heard the opening shot. "I sprang out of bed." she wrote. "And on my knees--prostrate--I prayed as I never prayed before." The shelling of Fort Sumter from the batteries ringing the harbor awakened Charleston's residents, who rushed out into the predawn darkness to watch the shells arc over the water and burst inside the fort. Mary Chesnut went to the roof of her hotel, where the men were cheering the batteries and the women were praying and crying. Her husband, Col. James Chesnut, had delivered Beauregard's message to the fort. "I knew my husband was rowing around in a boat somewhere in that dark bay," she wrote, "and who could tell what each volley accomplished of death and destruction?"

Inside the fort, no effort was made to return the fire for more than two hours. The fort's supply of ammunition was ill-suited for the task at hand, and because there were no fuses for their explosive shells, only solid shot could be used against the Rebel batteries. The fort's biggest guns, heavy Columbiads and eight-inch howitzers, were on the top tier of the fort and there were no masonry casemates to protect the gunners, so Anderson opted to use only the casemated guns on the lower tier. About 7:00 A.M., Capt. Abner Doubleday, the fort's second in command, was given the honor of firing the first shot in defense of the fort. The firing continued all day, the federals firing slowly to conserve ammunition. At night the fire from the fort stopped, but the confederates still lobbed an occasional shell in Sumter.

Although they had been confined inside Fort Sumter for more than three months, unsupplied and poorly nourished, the men of the Union garrison vigorously defended their post from the Confederate bombardment that began on the morning of April 12, 1861. Several times, red-hod cannonballs had lodged in the fort's wooden barracks and started fires. But each time, the Yankee soldiers, with a little help from an evening rainstorm, had extinguished the flames. The Union garrison managed to return fire all day long, but because of a shortage of cloth gunpowder cartridges, they used just six of their cannon and fired slowly.

The men got little sleep that night as the Confederate fire continued, and guards kept a sharp lookout for a Confederate attack or relief boats. Union supply ships just outside the harbor had been spotted by the garrison, and the men were disappointed that the ships made no attempt to come to their relief.

After another breakfast of rice and salt pork on the morning of April 13, the exhausted Union garrison again began returning cannon fire, but only one round every 10 minutes. Soon the barracks again caught fire from the Rebel hot shot, and despite the men's efforts to douse the flames, by 10:00 A.M. the barracks were burning out of control. Shortly thereafter, every wooden structure in the fort was ablaze, and a magazine containing 300 pounds of gunpowder was in danger of exploding. "We came very near being stifled with the dense livid smoke from the burning buildings," recalled one officer. "The men lay prostrate on the ground, with wet hankerchiefs over their mouths and eyes, gasping for breath."

The Confederate gunners saw the smoke and were well aware of the wild uproar they were causing in the island fort. They openly showed their admiration for the bravery of the Union garrison by cheering and applauding when, after a prolonged stillness, the garrison sent a solid shot screaming in their direction.

"The crasing of the shot, the bursting of the shells, the falling of the walls, and the roar of the flames, made a pandemonium of the fort," wrote Capt. Abner Doubleday on the afternoon of April 13, 1861. He was one of the Union garrison inside Fort Sumter in the middle of South Carolina's Charleston harbor. The fort's large flag staff was hit by fire from the surrounding Confederate batteries, and the colors fell to the ground. Lt. Norman J. Hall braved shot and shell to race across the parade ground to retrieve the flag. Then he and two others found a substitute flagpole and raised the Stars and Stripes once more above the fort.

Once the flag came down, Gen. P.G.T. Beaugregard, who commanded the Confederate forces, sent three of his aides to offer the fort's commander, Union Maj. Robert Anderson, assistance in extinguishing the fires. Before they arrived they saw the garrison's flag raised again, and then it was replaced with a white flag. Arriving at the fort, Beaugregard's aides were informed that the garrison had just surrendered to Louis T. Wigfall, a former U.S. senator from Texas. Wigfall, completely unauthorized, had rowed out to the fort from Morris Island, where he was serving as a volunteer aide, and received the surrender of the fort. The terms were soon worked out, and Fort Sumter, after having braved 33 hours of bombardment, its food and ammunition nearly exhausted, fell on April 13, 1861, to the curshing fire power of the Rebels. Miraculously, no one on either side had been killed or seriously wounded.

The generous terms of surrender allowed Anderson to run up his flag for a hunderd-gun salute before he and his men evacuated the fort the next day. The salute began at 2:00 P.M. on April 14, but was cut short to 50 guns after an accidental explosion killed one of the gunners and mortally wounded another. Carrying their tattered banner, the men marched out of the fort and boarded a boat that ferried them to the Union ships outside the harbor. They were greeted as heroes on their return to the North.
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UNDERSTANDING THE CAUSES OF THE UNCIVIL WAR

A Brief Explanation of the Impact of the Morrill Tariff

By Mike Scruggs for the Tribune Papers



Most Americans believe the U. S. “Civil War” was over slavery.  They have to an enormous degree been miseducated.  The means and timing of handling the slavery issue were at issue, although not in the overly simplified moral sense that lives in postwar and modern propaganda.  But had there been no Morrill Tariff there might never have been a war.  The conflict that cost of the lives of 650,000 Union and Confederate soldiers and perhaps as many as 50,000 Southern civilians and impoverished many millions for generations might never have been.



A smoldering issue of unjust taxation that enriched Northern manufacturing states and exploited the agricultural South was fanned to a furious blaze in 1860.  It was the Morrill Tariff that stirred the smoldering embers of regional mistrust and ignited the fires of Secession in the South. This precipitated a Northern reaction and call to arms that would engulf the nation in the flames of war for four years.



Prior to the U. S. “Civil War” there was no U. S. income tax.  Considerably more than 90% of U. S. government revenue was raised by a tariff on imported goods.  A tariff is a tax on selected imports, most commonly finished or manufactured products.  A high tariff is usually legislated not only to raise revenue, but also to protect domestic industry form foreign competition.  By placing such a high, protective tariff on imported goods it makes them more expensive to buy than the same domestic goods.  This allows domestic industries to charge higher prices and make more money on sales that might otherwise be lost to foreign competition because of cheaper prices (without the tariff) or better quality.  This, of course, causes domestic consumers to pay higher prices and have a lower standard of living.  Tariffs on some industrial products also hurt other domestic industries that must pay higher prices for goods they need to make their products.  Because the nature and products of regional economies can vary widely, high tariffs are sometimes good for one section of the country, but damaging to another section of the country.  High tariffs are particularly hard on exporters since they must cope with higher domestic costs and retaliatory foreign tariffs that put them at a pricing disadvantage.  This has a depressing effect on both export volume and profit margins.  High tariffs have been a frequent cause of economic disruption, strife and war.



Prior to 1824 the average tariff level in the U. S.  had been in the 15 to 20 % range. This was thought sufficient to meet federal revenue needs and not excessively burdensome to any section of the country.  The increase of the tariff to a 20% average in 1816 was ostensibly to help pay for the War of 1812.  It also represented a 26% net profit increase to Northern manufacturers.



In 1824 Northern manufacturing states and the Whig Party under the leadership of Henry Clay began to push for high, protective tariffs.  These were strongly opposed by the South.  The Southern economy was largely agricultural and geared to exporting a large portion of its cotton and tobacco crops to Europe.  In the 1850’s the South accounted for anywhere from 72 to 82% of U. S. exports.  They were largely dependent, however, on Europe or the North for the manufactured goods needed for both agricultural production and consumer needs.  Northern states received about 20% of the South’s agricultural production.  The vast majority of export volume went to Europe.  A protective tariff was then a substantial benefit to Northern manufacturing states, but meant considerable economic hardship for the agricultural South



Northern political dominance enabled Clay and his allies in Congress to pass a tariff averaging 35% late in 1824. This was the cause of economic boom in the North, but economic hardship and political agitation in the South.  South Carolina was especially hard hit, the State’s exports falling 25% over the next two years.  In 1828 in a demonstration of unabashed partisanship and unashamed greed the Northern dominated Congress raised the average tariff level to 50%.  Despite strong Southern agitation for lower tariffs the Tariff of 1832 only nominally reduced the effective tariff rate and brought no relief to the South.  These last two tariffs are usually termed in history as the Tariffs of Abomination.



This led to the Nullification Crisis of 1832 when South Carolina called a state convention and “nullified” the 1828 and 1832 tariffs as unjust and unconstitutional.  The resulting constitutional crisis came very near provoking armed conflict at that time.  Through the efforts of former U. S. Vice President and U. S. Senator from South Carolina, John C. Calhoun, a compromise was effected in 1833 which over a few years reduced the tariff back to a normal level of about 15%.  Henry Clay and the Whigs were not happy, however, to have been forced into a compromise by Calhoun and South Carolina’s Nullification threat.  The tariff, however, remained at a level near 15% until 1860.  A lesson in economics, regional sensitivities, and simple fairness should have been learned from this confrontation, but if it was learned, it was ignored by ambitious political and business factions and personalities that would come on the scene of American history in the late 1850’s.



High protective tariffs were always the policy of the old Whig Party and had become the policy of the new Republican Party that replaced it. A recession beginning around 1857 gave the cause of protectionism an additional political boost in the Northern industrial states.



In May of 1860 the U. S. Congress passed the Morrill Tariff Bill (named for Republican Congressman and steel manufacturer, Justin S. Morrill of Vermont) raising the average tariff from about 15% to 37% with increases to 47% within three years.  Although this was remarkably reminiscent of the Tariffs of Abomination which had led in 1832 to a constitutional crisis and threats of secession and armed force, the U. S. House of Representatives passed the Bill 105 to 64.  Out of 40 Southern Congressmen only one Tennessee Congressman voted for it.



U. S. tariff revenues already fell disproportionately on the South, accounting for 87% of the total.  While the tariff protected Northern industrial interests, it raised the cost of living and commerce in the South substantially. It also reduced the trade value of their agricultural exports to Europe. These combined to place a severe economic hardship on many Southern states.  Even more galling was that 80% or more of these tax revenues were expended on Northern public works and industrial subsidies, thus further enriching the North at the expense of the South.



In the 1860 election, Lincoln, a former Whig and great admirer of Henry Clay, campaigned for the high protective tariff provisions of the Morrill Tariff, which had also been incorporated into the Republican Party Platform.  Lincoln further endorsed the Morrill Tariff and its concepts in his first inaugural speech and signed the Act into law a few days after taking office in March of 1861.  Southern leaders had seen it coming.  Southern protests had been of no avail.  Now the South was inflamed with righteous indignation, and Southern leaders began to call for Secession.



At first Northern public opinion as reflected in Northern newspapers of both parties recognized the right of the Southern States to secede and favored peaceful separation.  A November 21, 1860, editorial in the Cincinnati Daily Press said this:



    “We believe that the right of any member of this Confederacy to dissolve its political relations with the

    others and assume an independent position is absolute.”



The New York Times on March 21, 1861, reflecting the great majority of editorial opinion in the North summarized in an editorial:



    “There is a growing sentiment throughout the North in favor of letting the Gulf States go.”



Northern industrialists became nervous, however, when they realized a tariff dependent North would be competing against a free trade South.  They feared not only loss of tax revenue, but considerable loss of trade.  Newspaper editorials began to reflect this nervousness.  Lincoln had promised in his inaugural speech that he would preserve the Union and the tariff.  Three days after manipulating the South into firing on the tariff collection facility of Fort Sumter in volatile South Carolina, on April 15, 1861, Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to put down the Southern rebellion.  This caused the Border States to secede along with the Gulf States.  Lincoln undoubtedly calculated that the mere threat of force backed by more unified Northern public opinion would quickly put down secession.  His gambit, however, failed spectacularly and would erupt into a terrible and costly war for four years.  The Union Army’s lack of success early in the war, the need to keep anti-slavery England from coming into the war on the side of the South, and Lincoln’s need to appease the radical abolitionists in the North led to increasing promotion of freeing the slaves as a noble cause to justify what was really a dispute over just taxation and States Rights.



Writing in December of 1861 in a London weekly publication, the famous English author, Charles Dickens, who was a strong opponent of slavery, said these things about the war going on in America:



    “The Northern onslaught upon slavery is no more than a piece of specious humbug disguised to

    conceal its desire for economic control of the United States.”



    “Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means loss of the same millions to

    the North.  The love of money is the root of this as many, many other evils.  The quarrel between the

    North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel.”



Karl Marx, like most European socialists of the time favored the North.  In an 1861 article published in England, he articulated very well what the major British newspapers, the Times, the Economist, and Saturday Review, had been saying:



    “The war between the North and South is a tariff war.  The war, is further, not for any principle, does

    not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for power.”



A horrific example of the damage that protective tariffs can exact was also seen in later history. One of the causes of the Great Depression of 1930-1939 was the Hawley-Smoot Act, a high tariff passed in 1930 that Congress mistakenly thought would help the country. While attempting to protect domestic industry from foreign imports, the unanticipated effect was to reduce the nation’s exports and thereby help increase unemployment to the devastating figure of 25%.  It is fairly well known by competent and honest economists now that protective tariffs usually do more harm than good, often considerably more harm than good.  However, economic ignorance and political expediency often combine to overrule longer-term public good.  As the Uncivil War of 1861-5 proves, the human and economic costs for such shortsighted political expediency and partisan greed can be enormous.



The Morrill Tariff illustrates very well one of the problems with majoritarian democracy.  A majority can easily exploit a regional, economic, ethnic, or religious minority (or any other minority) unmercifully unless they have strong constitutional guarantees that can be enforced, e. g., States Rights, Nullification, etc.  The need to limit centralized government power to counter this natural depravity in men was recognized by the founding fathers.  They knew well the irresistible tendencies in both monarchy and democracy for both civil magistrates and the electorate to succumb to the temptations of greed, self-interest, and the lust for power.  Thus they incorporated into the Constitution such provisions as the separation of powers and very important provisions enumerating and delegating only certain functions and powers to the federal government and retaining others at the state level and lower. Such constitutional provisions including the very specific guaranty of States Rights and limits to the power of the Federal Government in the 10th Amendment are unfortunately now largely ignored by all three branches of the Federal Government, and their constant infringement seldom contested by the States.





The Tariff question and the States Rights question were therefore strongly linked.  Both are linked to the broader issues of limited government and a strong Constitution.  The Morrill Tariff dealt the South a flagrant political injustice and impending economic hardship and crisis.  It therefore made Secession a very compelling alternative to an exploited and unequal union with the North.



How to handle the slavery question was an underlying tension between North and South, but one of many tensions. It cannot be said to be the cause of the war.  Fully understanding the slavery question and its relations to those tensions is beyond the scope of this article, but numerous historical facts demolish the propagandistic morality play that a virtuous North invaded the evil South to free the slaves.  Five years after the end of the War, prominent Northern abolitionist, attorney and legal scholar, Lysander Spooner, put it this way:



    “All these cries of having ‘abolished slavery,’ of having ‘saved the country,’ of having ‘preserved the

    Union,’ of establishing a ‘government of consent,’ and of ‘maintaining the national honor’ are all gross,

    shameless, transparent cheats—so transparent that they ought to deceive no one.”



Yet apparently many today are still deceived, are deliberately deceived, and even prefer to be deceived.



Unjust taxation has been the cause of many tensions and much bloodshed throughout history and around the world. The Morrill Tariff was certainly a powerful factor predisposing the South to seek its independence and determine its own destiny.  As outrageous and unjust as the Morrill Tariff was, its importance has been largely ignored and even purposely obscured.  It does not fit the politically correct images and myths of popular American history.  Truth, however, is always the high ground.  It will have the inevitable victory



In addition to the devastating loss of life and leadership during the War, the South suffered considerable damage to property, livestock, and crops.  The policies of “Reconstruction” and “carpetbagger” state governments further exploited and robbed the South, considerably retarding economic recovery. Further, high tariffs and discriminatory railroad shipping taxes continued to favor Northern economic interests and impoverish the South for generations after the war.  It is only in relatively recent history that the political and economic fortunes of the South have begun to rise.



One last point needs to be made.  The war of 1861-65 was not a “civil” war.  To call it the “Civil War” is not a historically accurate and honest use of language. It is the propaganda of the victors having attained popular usage. No one in the South was attempting to overthrow the U. S. government.  Few Southerners had any interest in overthrowing their own or anyone else’s state governments.  The Southern states had seen that continued union with the North would jeopardize their liberties and economic wellbeing.  Through the proper constitutional means of state conventions and referendums they sought to withdraw from the Union and establish their independence just as the American Colonies had sought their independence from Great Britain in 1776 and for very similar reasons.  The Northern industrialists, however, were not willing to give up their Southern Colonies.  A more appropriate name for the uncivil war of 1861-65 would be “The War for Southern Independence.”



But had it not been for the Morrill Tariff there would have been no rush to Secession by Southern states and very probably no war.  The Morrill Tariff of 1860, so unabashed and unashamed in its short-sighted, partisan greed, stands as an astonishing monument to the self-centered depravity of man and to its consequences.  No wonder most Americans would like to see it forgotten and covered over with a more morally satisfying but largely false version of the causes of the Uncivil War.
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to answer the gentleman(?????????????) from new york: i want to live in mississippi. have been for 44 years. and talk to military retirees who are settling down in mississippi. the question should be who in their right mind wants to move to new york? (no offense to any forum member from new york.) and don't get me started about theb dishonorable female senator they have.

i will also continue to defend my president and country. been doing it for 23 years now and i'm not ready to retire. i might even be joining my unit to go back to the sandbox. volunteered to go last time with a different unit when my unit's mission was postponed due to hurricane katrina. liberal politicians are doing every thing they can to keep their pampered brats out of the military until the war in iraq is over. hell, bring back the draft just to get the little pampered brats. it'll do them some good. teach them how to be human.

and southern women are the strongest women in the world. they raise their kids to be respectful, well mannered, and GOD fearing. they handle stress very well and can cope with life's little (and big) issues. i should know because my mom is from the south and so is my wife.

with all that said i will stay in the south. the north is too crowded for me. give me wide open spaces, beautiful forests, a shoreline on the gulf coast, the best food in the world, the prettiest girls around, and the friendliest people in the entire world.
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Looks like I missed the fun. Our network was down until just a few minutes ago. My daughter was working to secure it and learned that security comes with a cost. Finally gave up and restored it to the original form. We keep the power low and feel fairly secure in that. A network becomes a PITA when you have to secure it to the point that a visitor has to be cinfigured to get on the network. Had enough of that in the past and had rather keep it open unless I see an actual baud rate and bit count rise.
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It amazes me to this day, that I still have to explain how I can be proud of bein a Redneck.. Even tho most times I seem to be explainin that fact to folks from Arkansas and Misery, I mean Missouri..

It is true that we do live a different lifestyle, but that dont mean its a BAD THANG.. And I can also understand that many in the nothern climes may not want to take part in the culture..

But they have a different Code of Ethics and Morals than we in the South do and that suits me fine.. If they dont want to live down here and I dont want to live up there, then sounds like thangs are as they should be.. Works to both our advantage !!

But when the North tries to impose Nationwide stipulations(as they did before the War Between The States) on us, thats when I get my Union Suit in a wad !!

Charlie Rangel seems to have a problem with the South.. What zactly is his problem with us anyway ?? Is it that we dont agree with abortion ?? Higher taxes ?? We are Patriotic ?? WE DONT like Hilary ?? We honor the 2nd Amendment ?? Well, he better get over it !! Unless he wants to have a War Between The States again, he better get used to the fact that we aint gonna like Hilary no matter what they say !!

Other than that, no matter how many Stars and Bars and Statues they remove from public places , it aint gonna change the facts of it !! Just goes to show that they can still be led around by that rang that the Massa put in their noses !! And that Massa aint anywhere close to bein from the South or Dixie..

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Y'know, Charlie Rangels stock ain't too high on my big board either.
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I've had good experiences with folk from all over this country. However, of all the places to live in America, I'll choose Dixie every time.
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Agree with ya on that Dawg. Lots of good reading so far. There was a similar topic on CDB that got zapped last year, it's good see it again.

Strange how we're portrayed by the media.
I lived in a good many places growing up. An inner city school in Mich. and a school down south where the play ground was almost backed up to a cotton field.

It's ok to be proud of where you're from unless you're from Dixie.
But I'll tell ya, just the word "Dixie" makes me smile.
:) :) :)
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Agree with ya on that Dawg. Lots of good reading so far. There was a similar topic on CDB that got zapped last year, it's good see it again.

Strange how we're portrayed by the media.
I lived in a good many places growing up. An inner city school in Mich. and a school down south where the play ground was almost backed up to a cotton field.

It's ok to be proud of where you're from unless you're from Dixie.
But I'll tell ya, just the word "Dixie" makes me smile.
:) :) :)

I attribute most of what I hear about the south to people who are trying to get above the crowd by pushing everyone else down instead of trying to uplift themselves. It takes a lot of work to uplift yourself and that is why they choose the other alternative.

I saw that a lot in my last job. I was in a pretty technical office and the people there weren't very technical, but tried to look better than all the rest. It started to show when we got a 15% incentive for professional certification. The ones who were living on the backs of others never did get the 15%. Somehow, they disliked that program.
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Agree with ya on that Dawg. Lots of good reading so far. There was a similar topic on CDB that got zapped last year, it's good see it again.

Strange how we're portrayed by the media.
I lived in a good many places growing up. An inner city school in Mich. and a school down south where the play ground was almost backed up to a cotton field.

It's ok to be proud of where you're from unless you're from Dixie.
But I'll tell ya, just the word "Dixie" makes me smile.
:)  :)  :)

I attribute most of what I hear about the south to people who are trying to get above the crowd by pushing everyone else down instead of trying to uplift themselves. It takes a lot of work to uplift yourself and that is why they choose the other alternative.

I saw that a lot in my last job. I was in a pretty technical office and the people there weren't very technical, but tried to look better than all the rest. It started to show when we got a 15% incentive for professional certification. The ones who were living on the backs of others never did get the 15%. Somehow, they disliked that program.

... and I bet that according to them, it was NEVER their problem ... it was the incentive program or someone following too close to the bosses tail end. Ain't that aggravating.

One of my big pet peeves are those who are quick to label someone 'redneck' or 'trailer trash' ... Like Wild Bill, I usually let 'em know that I'm right proud to be a redneck. Have been known to tell 'em, "Well I certainly understand your feelings, I see how far you've advanced yourself in life" ... and it usually drips with sarcasm :lol: :lol: :lol:
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May be wanderin here and Mtnman has a good compass in that direction, so I'll try to keep it straight.

This is an important topic but ya have to be careful cause we're sailin in some thick fog and ya might sink a friend.

My take on this?
Well you do something REAL bad and you benefit from it - but you know deep down ya did wrong, and even though ya got away with it, it might catch up to your kids someday.
So ya make it worse - you cook up another bad to protect yourself from the first bad - a bad that makes the first bad look like a good.

A bunch of smart rich fellas got together and cooked up a plan that would allow them to go outside the Constitution to get even richer. They didn't think about the terrible harm they'd do, they just thought about the pot o gold at the end of the Rainbow.
They got their pot; then they had to think of a way to keep it - they know it was stolen down and dirty.
So they cooked up a real convincin' story about how what they did was a good thing, and everybody who has a share of their stolen gold has an interest in keepin the story alive.

You got to take the good with the bad, just make sure none of that dirty loot is in your pocket before ya speak.

So the northern factory owners and the southern plantation owners kicked their plan off - and the bigger smarter thieves won. Of course they're gonna howl about what a dirty thief the loser is.

Too late to do anything about it now; but you can pick the pearls out of the cow caca.

Secession is wrong - you can't allow it if you hold to the Constitution - either for Southern states or any other state that tries it.
Unloadin on your neighbor is wrong - unless he unloads on you first - but it's wrong either way if you could have solved the problem without shootin.
Lincoln could have done it without shootin, and in my opinion when he resorted to shootin he joined up with the northern factory owners and their plan.
Now when his people wanted to have a hangin spree in the South after the war he stepped up and said "I want yall to join me in my favorite song - Dixie".
Then he got shot and the only real friend the South had was gone.
Then the Hangin Spree crowd got their way - and Rangel and his crowd are the same.

Just as Lincoln fought a war to keep his country, he would not have allowed any part of that country to be abused - even by his friends.

Them that still hate the South? Well Old Honest Abe wouldn't have had anything good to say about them. That was His South too - he thought it was worthy enough to fight over. When you spit at the South you're spittin at him too.

But that's what I expect from a second rate hack like Rangel.



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Agree with ya on that Dawg. Lots of good reading so far. There was a similar topic on CDB that got zapped last year, it's good see it again.

Strange how we're portrayed by the media.
I lived in a good many places growing up. An inner city school in Mich. and a school down south where the play ground was almost backed up to a cotton field.

It's ok to be proud of where you're from unless you're from Dixie.
But I'll tell ya, just the word "Dixie" makes me smile.
:)  :)  :)

I attribute most of what I hear about the south to people who are trying to get above the crowd by pushing everyone else down instead of trying to uplift themselves. It takes a lot of work to uplift yourself and that is why they choose the other alternative.

I saw that a lot in my last job. I was in a pretty technical office and the people there weren't very technical, but tried to look better than all the rest. It started to show when we got a 15% incentive for professional certification. The ones who were living on the backs of others never did get the 15%. Somehow, they disliked that program.

... and I bet that according to them, it was NEVER their problem ... it was the incentive program or someone following too close to the bosses tail end. Ain't that aggravating.

One of my big pet peeves are those who are quick to label someone 'redneck' or 'trailer trash' ... Like Wild Bill, I usually let 'em know that I'm right proud to be a redneck. Have been known to tell 'em, "Well I certainly understand your feelings, I see how far you've advanced yourself in life" ... and it usually drips with sarcasm :lol: :lol: :lol:

My grandpaw use to say a man can play smooch butt all he wants but it can't take the place of hard work.

I found a slight flaw in grandpaws bit of wisdom though. There's some who like getting their butt smooched.
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Boy you got that stuff right!!!! I was going to say you see that a ton in government service but then I remember seeing it in private industry also.

My dad left school after the 9th grade, spent 30 years in the Navy ... enlisted in WWII as E1 ... went into submarines ... retired as Commander. His philosophy was molded on some senior officers he had served with (captains and admirals). They said they did NOT want any yes men serving under them. They wanted officers and men who knew how to say NO and present their side of the issue. It appears that somewhere along the line, we lost that attitude.
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There is a subject that is disputed and even thought of as impossible in todays PC world and the black community, black slave owners in the old south.
You don't hear this from black leaders like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.

Issues and Views is a black conservative online magazine.

During this country’s period of slavery, many freed blacks worked for years to purchase the freedom of family members. But a great many freemen became slave masters themselves, and for the same reason as whites--to make use of slave labor for the sake of profits. Larry Koger writes, "By and large, Negro slaveowners were darker copies of their white counterparts." Following are excerpts from Chapter 6 of his book, Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860 [University of South Carolina Press].




Black Slave Owners
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“On January 16 1865 Union general William T. Sherman issued his Special
Field Order No. 15, which confiscated as Federal property a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John's River in Florida, including Georgia's sea islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast. The order redistributed the roughly 400,000 acres of land to newly freed black families in forty-acre segments.”

No mule
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I trully feel like I am among compatriots. We who place are GOD or family, our culture, and our rights to own a gun,live in the woods and drive pick-up trucks above all else seem to be in the minority in this country but Im glad I live in a place where the odds are a little closer to even. I really don't care what city folk think of me or my lifestyle. I can look in the miror everday and be proud of who I am and what i teach my kids. Im a southern boy and proud of it smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
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gobblerblaster, if only there was a way to keep making people from other areas think that the South Sux's, then we would have it all to ourselves. But unfortunately too many people are finding out about the south and moving here and it's becoming a little crowded now. A lot that moves to the south adapts and even takes up the southern drawl going to classes to learn how to speak slower so they fit in without being noticed. Then some shows up and tries to bring another way of life and attempts to fit it into the south which is a dead giveaway that they don't fit in. I've been all over the U.S., met a lot of very nice folks in all parts of the country and made many friends, but it's just doesn't get much better than living in the south. The weather is nice, the scenery is nice, we have plenty of big trees, many rivers and lakes and even a beach to go to.

I'm afraid our secret is getting out now and we're going to see more and more people moving to the south. :D
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Almtnman,Jan 27 2007
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gobblerblaster, if only there was a way to keep making people from other areas think that the South Sux's, then we would have it all to ourselves. But unfortunately too many people are finding out about the south and moving here and it's becoming a little crowded now. A lot that moves to the south adapts and even takes up the southern drawl going to classes to learn how to speak slower so they fit in without being noticed. Then some shows up and tries to bring another way of life and attempts to fit it into the south which is a dead giveaway that they don't fit in. I've been all over the U.S., met a lot of very nice folks in all parts of the country and made many friends, but it's just doesn't get much better than living in the south. The weather is nice, the scenery is nice, we have plenty of big trees, many rivers and lakes and even a beach to go to.

I'm afraid our secret is getting out now and we're going to see more and more people moving to the south. :D

I love the idea of the south....but unless the summer temps drop there - You are not getting me!!! I am one less yankee you have to worry about.....
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I love the idea of the south....but unless the summer temps drop there - You are not getting me!!! I am one less yankee you have to worry about.....

We have air conditioning for those not used to the heat, just don't tell anyone about it though. :biglol:
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A bunch of people dont consider Texas as bein in the "South" or part of Dixie.. I find that kinda strange since I live about 6 blocks from a Confederate Monument and bout a mile west of where a large Rebel Trainin Camp was located..

Kinda hurts my po widde feewins !! Well, not really.. Kinda like Flo used to say, "they can kiss my grits" !! snicker snicker



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I trully feel like I am among compatriots. We who place are GOD or family, our culture, and our rights to own a gun,live in the woods and drive pick-up trucks above all else seem to be in the minority in this country but Im glad I live in a place where the odds are a little closer to even. I really don't care what city folk think of me or my lifestyle. I can look in the miror everday and be proud of who I am and what i teach my kids. Im a southern boy and proud of it smiley-patriotic-flag-wave
GET OUT OF THE RAT RACE THE RAT IS WINNING

I traveled the world and have lived in some amazing places. The coldest national capitol, the highest, the most radioactive, and the most polluted. I lived in different areas of the US. I retired to here. I could have retired to anyplace in the world and here is where I wanted to be more than any other.
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The six flags that have flown over Texas are:

Spain. 1519-1685; 1690-1821.

France. 1685-1690, That hurts.

Mexico. 1821-1836

Republic of Texas. 1836-1845

The Confederacy. 1861-1865

US. 1845-1861; 1865-Present

You wont see the Stars and Bars at any Six Flags Theme park?????

There you go Bill. :cb15:
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Wild Bill,Jan 27 2007
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A bunch of people dont consider Texas as bein in the "South" or part of Dixie.. I find that kinda strange since I live about 6 blocks from a Confederate Monument and bout a mile west of where a large Rebel Trainin Camp was located..

Kinda hurts my po widde feewins !! Well, not really.. Kinda like Flo used to say, "they can kiss my grits" !! snicker snicker

That's them politically correct folks Bill...don't pay no attention to them. :cool dude:
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Wild Bill,Jan 27 2007
06:31 PM
A bunch of people dont consider Texas as bein in the "South" or part of Dixie.. I find that kinda strange since I live about 6 blocks from a Confederate Monument and bout a mile west of where a large Rebel Trainin Camp was located..

Kinda hurts my po widde feewins !! Well, not really.. Kinda like Flo used to say, "they can kiss my grits" !! snicker snicker

Wild Bill,

Kinda like my feelings when someone sez Virginia is not a part of the south ... even though Richmond was the capitol of the confederacy ... and other reasons as well!!!
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I live in Oklahoma and most people don't think of this as the South, I live about nine 'mile ' from an old Confederate fort and about a half mile from were the battle of Jayvine hill was fought. I lived in the land of fruits and nuts (California , no offense) for ten years and I was never happier than to get back to GODS country. I remember trying to by a gun there ounce and they told me to fill out paper work and come back in a week, then I went to Oakland and was offered several out of the trunk of a guys car I dream of being in Californy sometimes and wake up in a cold sweat. smiley-libs-suck-flag smiley-libs-suck-flag
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Wild Bill,Jan 27 2007
06:31 PM
A bunch of people dont consider Texas as bein in the "South" or part of Dixie.. I find that kinda strange since I live about 6 blocks from a Confederate Monument and bout a mile west of where a large Rebel Trainin Camp was located..

Kinda hurts my po widde feewins !! Well, not really.. Kinda like Flo used to say, "they can kiss my grits" !! snicker snicker

i thought texas was a country unto itself! :D
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