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| swanj | Jan 19 2007, 01:54 PM Post #1 |
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[align=center]I'm getting of this Crap Folks[/align] SACRAMENTO - The state Legislature is about to weigh in on a question that stirs impassioned debate among moms and dads: Should parents spank their children? Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, wants to outlaw spanking children up to 3 years old. If she succeeds, California would become the first state in the nation to explicitly ban parents from smacking their kids. Making a swat on the behind a misdemeanor might seem a bit much for some -- and the chances of the idea becoming law appear slim, at best -- but Lieber begs to differ. [align=center]My alternative to the solution![/align] [align=center] [/align][align=center] [/align] |
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| Almtnman | Jan 19 2007, 03:31 PM Post #2 |
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It's getting pretty bad when the government starts telling folks how to raise a family. The Bible says, "spare the rod and spoil the child". |
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| meangene | Jan 19 2007, 04:00 PM Post #3 |
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I second that motion. |
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| Sunshine | Jan 19 2007, 04:06 PM Post #4 |
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I strongly believe in spanking kids. I used to get it with a belt. Today we were in town and these teenagers were really asking for it. One of the teenagers took his friend and acted like he was getting ready to push him in front of our car . They he acted like he was going to jump out. Rick had to hit the brakes with cars behind us. There could have been a major wreck because of those idiots. I am a very strong believer of spanking your kids. Kids nowadays are telling their parents what to do and that is wrong. I can't believe the way this world is. If I was raising kids and I got in trouble for spanking my kids I would say if you think you can do better then you raise them. |
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| Hick | Jan 19 2007, 05:56 PM Post #5 |
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When they do that crap to me I make like I a doing a panic stop, but make sure that I give them a little nudge with whatever part of my car strikes them. Parents come out screaming about suing, kid is screaming about suing, then I get out all my witnesses and tell the cops EXACTLY what happened. 99.9% of the time the cops tell the parents and the kid to either shutup or go to jail. Rememeber that boy that got caned? My philosophy on that is as follows below: "If they'd have whupped his ass more over here, they wouldn't have had to whup his ass over there!" |
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| legitlinda | Jan 19 2007, 06:16 PM Post #6 |
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I used to tell quote this one to my son when he was acting up. Pro 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. Pro 23:14 If you beat him with the rod you will save his life from Sheol. You should have seen how big and wide his eyes would get! Seriously though, I was listening to Hannity on the radio and he had that nut case liberal woman on. She's serious about this. If you swat your kid on the butt and someone turns you in you could get a year in jail! We've got to raise some hell about this one!
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| Almtnman | Jan 19 2007, 06:58 PM Post #7 |
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The rod that was used on me and my brothers when we were growing up was a long peach tree limb. Got many a peach tree limb wore out on my backside.
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| ROCKY TOP | Jan 19 2007, 07:02 PM Post #8 |
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It's idiotic to expect people to turn in parents that spank their kids when next door neighbors hear children being abused and won't even make an anonymous phone call to the cops. :angry:
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| Toothless Dawg | Jan 19 2007, 07:08 PM Post #9 |
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My dad would only whup me with the biggest durn belt I ever seen. My mother knew how to make it hurt more. She would send me out to pick out my own switch (spelled TREE LIMB) ... if I came back with one she deemed too small, I'd have to go find another one and their would be more whuppin' ... Hated it then but it didn't kill me ... and probably kept me out of a bunch of trouble later on in life. |
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| Carolina Sue | Jan 19 2007, 08:25 PM Post #10 |
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I have an aunt and uncle who raised 4 boys. Mom was in charge of the discipline most of the time. She would make the boys take off their own belts and hand them to her and she would spank them with it. They got to where they would tie a rope around their waists through the belt loops and quit wearing belts. So she started making them break switches. Only she would have one of the boys break a switch for the one in trouble. Boys thought they were getting their brothers back pretty good, till that brother got the break a switch for them!
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| Hawk | Jan 19 2007, 08:33 PM Post #11 |
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Agree. That's my argument against cloning. |
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| Condor | Jan 20 2007, 12:27 AM Post #12 |
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I would have liked to have seen them make the kids that did that (the BMW paint job incident?) have to completely refinish the cars to the owners specifications by hand. Them hand sanding a thousand or so repeat coats until they got it right would have been a joy to watch. |
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| GRITS | Jan 20 2007, 02:49 AM Post #13 |
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I got whupped so much that before long it didn't hurt - I'd yowl like it really hurt but it wasn't much of a deterrent. Gotta outsmart kids. Give em a really yucky dinner that night and make em eat it all - hey kids, corn flakes and sardines for dinner tonight! While you eat pizza ice cream and cake in front of em. Mmmm this is good - you kids eat your stringbean pie now. Have a slice of this onion cake too. Honey - give em some of that tomato ice cream. Mmmmm - good. Mornin' kids! Stewed tomatoes and oatmeal for breakfast - yummy! Make the boys wear pink shirts with ponies on em and perfume to school, or a real ugly dress and shoes with he-man cologne for the girls. Get a real ugly friend to peer in the window at em and make ugly faces - then go "what ugly dude - I don't see any ugly dude - you see any ugly dude honey? nope, me either." There's things a lot worse than a whippin. Mom always used to say this is gonna hurt me more than you - lucky thing she never figured out a punishment she enjoyed or I'd have been in trouble. CHINA MUST BE DESTROYED |
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| Ali | Jan 21 2007, 09:48 PM Post #14 |
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I guess I was lucky. When my kids were little, they were real good and I never needed to spank them. Then they got big and stupid and I had to slap them upside the head to put their brains back in place. Grandma used to come after me with the yard stick. I got wise to it, and would slide on the wood floor under the bed! (Kind of like stealing second base in softball!) She found a way to get around that bed and sting me! Four and half foot tall and thirty six inches of power!! I eventually got to big one day to slide under the bed and a couple of slaps upside the head finally put my brain in place! Seems to me like lately, we're all wondering how to discipline our dogs more than our children! |
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| Hick | Jan 21 2007, 11:55 PM Post #15 |
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What certain people don't seem to realize, or they just ignore it, is that there is a huge difference between Abuse and Disclipline. I've always said that a crack to the ass will work wonders when all other avenues have failed. |
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| Toothless Granny | Jan 22 2007, 11:43 AM Post #16 |
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I've always been confused by all the folks 'round here. No one 'round these parts believes in disciplining their kids. I always got raves on how well behaved our kids were, and how well mannered! They were raised to say "please" and "thank you" and respect their elders with "yes, sir" or "ma'm". Then when they found out we spanked our kids till they were too big to feel it any more, they were appalled at our "abusive" ways! When our kids were in high school, they weren't the ones being baled out of jail or having to cover up their mistakes. They made some, sure, what kid doesn't, but they'd own up to them. Mystified all the folks around here. Now, I here some of the ones my kids grew up with are raising their kids with spankings, too, not just "time outs". Maybe it's catching on. Granny
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| GRITS | Jan 22 2007, 03:40 PM Post #17 |
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I've always believed you should hear out your enemy rather than just write em off - that's right and tight and knowin every nut and bolt of your ship like a good Captain does. Like sayin to the XO "you told me all the good stuff, now I want to hear the bad stuff" - it's good stewardship - and raisin kids is stewardship. Some folks have kids they don't want. It happens. Really gets me hot when I see that; some buzzard gettin rough with his kid and its obvious he just wishes the kid was gone - that's abuse - and I'll punch anyone in the nose that I see doin that. I don't want to hear "it's my kid don't interfere". Ka-POW. I saw it once in public and was about to have a little talk with "Dad", when it dawned on me the kid would just catch it worse behind closed doors if I did. Buddy of mine who was a ship skipper knocked a fella flat on his can once in a grocery store. You "discipline" a child that you love - it never goes too far. If a kid detects dislike in a punishment then you're doing wrong to them and everyone else. So before you swing that belt make sure you ain't doin it because you're upset about somethin else - otherwise it'll come back at ya down the road. Never take a rod to a kid cause you don't like 'em, but only because you love em and want em to stop doin what's gonna bring em grief down the road - if you take the time to make sure they know that first, then that whuppin is a good thing. I stopped makin my good momma whup me when I realized it hurt her more than me - and started doin things to make her proud. Didn't need her whuppin me anyhow - had them dang big brothers doin that every dang day. Children are special to Jesus and if he sees ya roughin em up just cause ya had a bad day at work, He's gonna get ya for it. |
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| Sandylee | Jan 22 2007, 05:47 PM Post #18 |
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I just read today that the idiot woman in CA who is pushing this through doesn't even have any children. What made her think this up was her vetrinarian telling her not to hit her cat. Believe it or not both of my sons thank me for all the spankings they got and every other kind of discipline I was forced to use on them. I had to carry a stick used for stirring paint on the dashboard of the car and when it got out of hand in the back seat I would just pull the car over and lean them over the fender and kapow! At least there would be silence til we got home. A mother who is left to raise sons has to have the upper hand. A friend who had 12 children wasn't able to catch hers so she would just tell them, "You have to go to bed some time". After lights out she would go to the deserving child and pull him out of bed and give it to him. All of her sons adored her. A child who has no boundries is absolutely lost. They may climb the fences to play in the forbidden area, but always know how to get back inside. A child with no fences is the saddest of creatures. |
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| Condor | Jan 22 2007, 06:35 PM Post #19 |
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I think it goes deeper than that. A child has to feel protected to feel secure. If a parent can't even master a trying child, how can that parent protect a child from an awfully mean world. I think when kids who are very young misbehave, they are testing. If the response isn't strong, they lose faith in the parent and have no feeling of security. My California daughter swore that she wasn't going to discipline her child and she didn't. The last I saw of him, he was beyond controll. |
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| Ali | Jan 22 2007, 09:56 PM Post #20 |
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the world went to hell in a handbasket when they took prayer and discipline out of schools. We teach these things at home, they should also be reinforced and allowed at school. It seems like ever since morals, values, discipline and all the likes have not been allowed in public school, our kids are living by a double standard. It's no wonder that some of them are so messed up. It also makes it harder to be a 'good parent' these days, too. Like the old saying goes; 'this is going to hurt me, more than it's going to hurt you'. Kids can wear your heart to bits, but when it's all said and done, they are, our hearts! |
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| countrymouse | Jan 22 2007, 10:38 PM Post #21 |
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personally, when we're in public, if my kids start acting up, i squeeze the trapezius, and they simply drop to their knees...while you're down there girls, you can pray for forgiveness and ask God to tell mommy to have mercy on you when we get home...
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| GRITS | Jan 23 2007, 10:57 AM Post #22 |
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When I'd get around my country cousins (they were well behaved) and begin my city-boy mischief, one of my aunts would call me in the house and I'd get a paddle. It was all calm and cool and I'd be told to behave in clear terms I could understand. Just like Mom did (she was the oldest sister after all). When a neighborhood I lived in went bad I saw what abuse is - kids getting smacked across the mouth in public - no wonder those kids had a habit of smacking other kids across the mouth in public. That's how low-class people do things. When those same kids got around to callin my 80 year old neighbor lady every name in the Sailor's book, I stepped in and ran em off (F-ing old b-tch etc) - when the tough guy parents showed up they met my pet dragon - and told the kids not to mess with the old lady again. There's a fella who addresses this subject pretty well and we agree on most points - that low class people who have too many kids abuse em - while decent folks discipline their kids the right way. In his opinion girls should be implanted with Norplant at age of conception, and be kept on it until they demonstrate parenting skills (and that they be paid to do so). Trouble is those same girls would be as sexually active as they want without any worries - not good. This crazy law is an attempt to deal with a real problem - and it's just as crazy as the above solution - but abused kids do grow up to be abusive violent adults; I can vouch for that. That is what is tearing our society apart. The same fella admits that you can't legislate parenting, so we're caught between a rock and a hard place. All I can do is advocate that discipline be administered with self control in a proper setting - as for people who haul off and smack a kid in public, well I have to say let that kid see Mom or Dad talk to a police officer - and let em know you can't go around smackin people in public. "just wait til we get home" works just fine. Now if your kids are making a public nuisance of themselves, it's time to haul em on home for a talk with Mr Paddle; not take em down in front of everybody else or just let em run wild. That is a sensible law in my opinion, and it isn't legislating parenting. If your kids are a public nuisance, you get em home or get a fine. That would sure make an impression on em. Makes sense to me. CHINA MUST BE DESTROYED |
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| Herb | Jan 24 2007, 04:14 PM Post #23 |
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This is not usually true. While my folks did spank us once in a while, I had friends that were really abused. All but one refused to hit their kids at all ( I won't go into the kids criminal history). The other one refused to do more than spank with his hand and no more than 1 swat per infraction. All 4 of his turned out to be great kids. |
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| Condor | Jan 24 2007, 07:18 PM Post #24 |
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We are in a society that denies the parent the right to discipline a child and yet holds the parent for the childs behavior. They need to learn that you just can't have it both ways. |
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| Toothless Dawg | Jan 24 2007, 07:46 PM Post #25 |
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EXACTLY!!!!! |
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| Hick | Jan 24 2007, 08:57 PM Post #26 |
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I see kids all the time these days showing thier arse and getting away with it in Public. My nephew tried that with me ONCE. He was quite embarrassed when he got a whuppin' in Public. As I whupped him he was told: "I love you and would die for you Boy, but I ain't gonna put up with your BS!". After that, all I hadda do was give him "The Look", if that failed he was told "Don't make me have to "escort" you out of here or give you a whuppin'". He also once tried to tell me if I spanked him he would call the police and have me arrested. I got a handfull of shirt, got in his face, and told him: "See that phone way over there? Your little arse has to make it there and Dial it!". I see kids acting up and say loud enough to be heard that "someone needs an ass-whuppin'". I always seem to get the "How dare you!" and the condemning looks from the ineffective parents. |
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| Condor | Jan 25 2007, 12:53 AM Post #27 |
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My grandson it terrible when his Mom is around. The two times she has left him with me, he behaves perfectly. He knows her and instinctively knows me. When I allowed them into the house the last time, she went off when I tried to get him to behave. I can't have him around without fighting with her. You may have trouble understanding this, but I don't want to hurt her that way and she is too stubborn not to self destruct. |
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| Town Drunk | Jan 25 2007, 01:11 AM Post #28 |
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Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. KJV
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| GRITS | Jan 25 2007, 04:33 AM Post #29 |
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One of my nephews had his father arrested for spanking him. This kid had the makings of a real snot, a schoolhouse lawyer. Once while he was staying at my home I sat him down for a little talk about acting like a snot in my home. He fixes me with this stare and asks if I'm "threatening" him. I went to the phone and told his mom to come get him, then told him to pack his stuff and wait in the living room until she arrived. I didn't speak to him again until she did. I informed my sister in law that his visit was over, that he would not be coming back for another stay in my home. When she asked what had happened I said "Ask him". Before he left I told him that if he wasn't going to be treated as a 12 year old boy, I was going to treat him as a man; unruly adult guests in my home were sent packing never to enter my home again - and neither would he. That's what it took to straighten him out. Years later when he was a man he called and apologized, and thanked me for straightening him out. He was a kid that I saw in the summer or at holidays, I didn't raise him - but I knew how to straighten him out. It didn't take a belt or a backhand to do it. I did what his father couldn't. Treat a boy like a man and he usually becomes one. Girls I can't speak for. |
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