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Motion Denied: Border Agents Ordered to Prison!
Topic Started: Jan 17 2007, 03:04 PM (1,425 Views)
Almtnman
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Border Agents Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos have been ordered
by Judge Kathleen Cardone to surrender to the United States
Marshal by 3 pm (EST) today!

Both agents had filed a motion with the court to remain free
on bond while they appeal their case. With this ruling, the
agents must begin serving their sentences beginning today!

To read the story, and Grassfire's news release click here:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5028599

Read Grassfire's release:

http://grassfire.org/NewsReleases/20070117-229.htm

I am outraged by this devastating ruling, and want our team
to know that this issue is not over!

This decision to send these men to prison--where they will
likely be placed among the drug dealers and gang members they
put in prison themselves will no doubt send a terrible message
to every law enforcement official in the nation, that our
justice department, our government no longer has your back!

Just two weeks ago, National Guardsmen were fired upon on
the border. But because they cannot engage, they had to retreat!

This is utter madness.

Yesterday, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) delivered your petitions directly
to the White House in a twelfth-hour effort to keep these men
from going to prison. The White House did not respond. Why hasn't
the President commented on this case? I want to know!

As mentioned earlier, this issue is far from over.

Grassfire is committed to working to free these men who swore
to protect us. Ron De Jong and I will be presenting your
petitions and meeting with members of the media today, and we
will challenge the President and our Justice System... In short,
we will be bold for these men, and I need you to do the same!

I am personally appealing to each member of our Grassfire team
to stand in the gap for agents Compean and Ramos. Continue
telling their story to friends and rallying much needed
grassroots support.

But it can't end there. Continue pressuring the White House--
demanding they pardon these men!

Here is the White House number: 202/456-1111

Together we must be bold for these dedicated family men who
stood for us. Now we must stand for them until this terrible
wrong is made right!

I made my call to the White House, the Justice Department and my two senators and they now know my feelings on this issue. If any of you care about our countries direction, I would suggest that you call them about this madness.
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I saw Agent Ramos on Fox last night. He told the story of what happened that night. I don't know how in the world a jury convicted them. I pray to God that their sentences are overturned, and I will make those calls too.
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I had the Justice Department's phone number, but I must have deleted it. And I keep my 2 senators and representative numbers on my cell phone directory since they get a lot of calls from me about issues.

If GW doesn't do anything about these two guys, I'm gonna keep the phone lines busy at the White House, at least that will keep somebody in a job answering the phone.
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Sorry, but I gave up trying to fathom what this administration is trying to prove long ago.
It denies comprehension.
I'd say the fact that their murder by inmates is a pretty compelling reason to grant a stay. But here's Tony Snow saying that what these agents did was unjustified attempted homicide, on grounds that fleeing alone isn't punishable by death.
To my knowledge neither is unjustified attempted homicide.
But like I said it denies comprehension.
If these two are murdered while in court custody, I say that the judge is guilty of negligent homicide, with grounds for intent to same. If that standard were applied to a defendant, the proper charge would be unjustified homicide with malice and forethought - premed murder one.
The judge would claim she didn't intend their death but only to prevent their flight; however that would solidly land her in negligent homicide.
Let a jury decide - if they apply the same standard they did for the agents, the judge would go down.
Are judges immune from arrest in Texas?

One thing is obvious - this administration has ruled for the judges, not the agents.
The executive has ruled for the judiciary, against the agents who are executive.

CHINA MUST BE DESTROYED
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Duncan Hunter was on the local news here tonight and he said he introduced a bill today calling for a congressional pardon for Agents Ramos and Compean.
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legitlinda,Jan 19 2007
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Duncan Hunter was on the local news here tonight and he said he introduced a bill today calling for a congressional pardon for Agents Ramos and Compean.

I sure hope that it goes through. It looks like Bush is too quite on this issue. He should have stepped up to the plate and did something. I like what he does on fighting terrorism, but his record on illegal immigration and border issues, I have a very big problem with.
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I agree with you Almntman, he stinks as far as illegal immigration goes.
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I heard on Fox News today that President Bush has agreed to look at the case of these agents. Like many others, I don't agree with his handling of the illegal immigration issue, but I hope he steps up to the plate here and does the right thing!

LET THESE AGENTS GO!

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They probably got tired of answering the phone at the White House!

He needs to also give the judge that ordered them to prison before they run out all their appeals the boot too!
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This clown is suing for 5 million, and was caught with a load of drugs.
Guess he intends to be the millionaire inmate.
The agents only hope is a presidential pardon, but I can't see Bush doing it.
The judge is being a jerk.
These guys should have known better - can't shoot fleeing suspects anymore - now the taxpayers are gonna get gigged for 5 million because of what they did, that goes into the pocket of a criminal. That is sick. Can't go along with any of this, but I can't give these two agents a halo either - they really screwed up.

If I were Solomon I'd drop the drug rap on the dealer and the shooting rap on the agents - on condition that the dealer drop his suit and the agents resign. A jury nailed them so they must not have liked what they saw in the defendant's chairs - unless it was a directed verdict.
Ugh what a mess.
They'll do a few in protective and then get parole - don't get your hopes up for a pardon.
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From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org


1/19/2007

Richard,

The Associated Press is reporting that President Bush is
open to the possibility of a pardon for border agents,
saying "there's a process for pardons." He added that
the White House will review the case.

Richard, although agents Compean and Ramos are serving
their sentences, this is a grassroots victory.

This was the first time the President publicly spoke on
this case, and I believe it was due to intense growing
pressure from Grassfire team members!

Click to read the complete story:

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=4261451

+ + 265,000 and Growing

During the DC press event last week, Ron De Jong and I presented
225,000 petitions--the same petitions that Rep. Poe delivered
to the White House the day before Ramos and Compean surrendered
to U.S. Marshals.

In days we've added more than 40,000 citizen signatures!
Keep rallying friends because it is making an impact.

Ron and I have also been interviewed by numerous media outlets,
and in fact, many radio stations around the country are picking
up the banner for Ramos and Compean and steering their listeners
to our petition, and urging them to contact the White House!

++ Action Item--Alert the media!

Richard, in this update, we've included a special button
and code. We are asking members of our team to send this button
along with the special code to your local radio stations--urging
them to place it on their homepage to rally additional support.
Click here for your button and code:

http://Grassfire.org/142/Add_Link.asp?RID=12150867

Additionally, if you blog, or have a homepage of your own, you
can post this button. As people rally for the agents via your
favorite radio station, blog, or homepage, you will see your
personal impact grow for these agents!

+ + Special Audio Update

Finally, don't miss our latest audio update. Ron and I discuss
the latest in the case including questions and concerns some have
raised about U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton’s unusual five-page
document entitled "myth vs. reality".

Click here for the audio update:

http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=1272&rid=12150867

Thanks for standing with Grassfire. This is truly an issue worth
fighting for, and we are grateful for your amazing outpouring
of support!

Steve Elliott
President
Grassfire.org Alliance

P.S: Again, please pass our special button on to your favorite
radio stations and blogging sites. Urge them to use this button
to rally support for agents Ramos and Compean!

++ Sign our Petition:

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=12150867

++ Read our News Release:

http://grassfire.org/NewsReleases/20070117-229.htm


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The Greeks gave us medicine, but the Romans gave us law.
While medicine took millenia to rise from quackery Roman law was near perfect from the start.

What we see is devolutionary law - law going backwards.

Here is a criminal getting a massive REWARD as a result of a criminal act!
Here are the innocent (the public) being punished for the criminal act of two agents.

In the heat of the moment these two agents forgot themselves and fired on a fleeing felon - something they knew very well they can't do. Even though their motives were sound, they violated the Roman precept that the State must never commit a crime; this makes the people the criminal. In my opinion the judge is holding to that standard, and is probably aware she will catch heck for it.

On the other hand the dealer is a malefactor who intended to benefit from harming others, and will in fact become a rich man BECAUSE he chose that course, despite the fact that he was CAUGHT and PUNISHED! This is offal flying in the face of the Roman Senate's ruling that rewarding a crime is a WORSE crime than the crime that is rewarded.

This is a TERRIBLE PRECEDENT - establishing a lawful reward for a criminal act! Madness!

This is a question for the Supreme Court; were I a Justice here is how I would rule:
1. the defendants, knowing that they should not have fired did so. In mitigation they did so in the heat of the moment and not with intent to commit a crime in the name of the State - therefore their conviction is upheld, but the sentence is reduced to 10 years probation.
2. the defendant is a malefactor who set out with intent to harm others without just cause - the State's illegal act against him does not remove his culpability and has no influence on the judgement of his crime - however rewarding him for the State's act against him flies in the face of the precept that illegal acts must not be rewarded, therefore his claim for damages is nullified.

It's simple as dirt - a Presidential pardon would allow the malefactor to gain a reward for a criminal act - I would rather see this case go to the Supreme Court and used to establish a landmark decision to outlaw lawsuits that reward a malefactor for a criminal act.
That practice is MORALITY GONE WRONG and must be stopped before it destroys our society - Listen to the Romans!


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Here's an update on what's happening with the Agents.

There are also telephone numbers we can call to demand a pardon for them. Seems like the whole truth didn't come out during the trial.
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A request for help for the families of Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean came from Grassfire.org today. I feel so bad for these men and their families. From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org


7/11/2007

Linda,

Wrongly imprisoned for doing their jobs as U.S. Border Patrol
Agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are today 174 days
into their decade long prison sentences--languishing in
solitary confinement--hundreds of miles away from their
families.

Over the last six months, both of these decorated agents
have missed their children’s birthdays, graduations, a
high school reunion, a wedding anniversary--and what
would have been a 12th year anniversary at the
U.S. Border Patrol!

Ignacio couldn't hold his son's hand and comfort him when he
was hospitalized with meningitis. Both men have forever lost
precious moments--hugs, and kisses from their adoring
children--moments that can never be recaptured.

Meanwhile, half a country away, Patty Compean and Monica Ramos
heroically press on--holding their families together as best
they can, praying that their husbands will one day return to them.

But the emotional and financial struggles are intensifying
for both women. Only days ago I learned that Monica will
soon be losing her job (the company she works for has been
sold and will be relocating).

Linda, as the President of Grassfire, I am asking ALL
members of our team to join with me in helping to bring some
relief to these two families by clicking here:

http://www.grassfire.org/7142/offer.asp?rid=13369445

Earlier in the year, I sent out a similar request, and I was
absolutely stunned by the outpouring of support for these
two families!

Both Monica and Patty were blessed by the gift we presented
them on your behalf, and expressed thankfulness to Grassfire
and others for helping to lift their burden and free their husbands.

Linda, a gift of $5, $10, $20 will certainly go a long way
to alleviate some of the financial strain both are feeling at
this terrible time in their lives. Click here to help:

http://www.grassfire.org/7142/offer.asp?rid=13369445

Like before, Grassfire will disperse all monies collected (less
credit card fees) equally between the two families in the days
ahead. Linda, nothing would make me happier than to be
able to send Monica and Patty a check from the Grassfire team
members who are helping to carry their cross.

Please know that Grassfire is continuing to work with Congressional
leaders to free these two dedicated family men and return them
to their families. I’m hopeful that many of you will join with
me in doing what we can to ease the financial weight that is
upon them.

Click here to help:

http://www.grassfire.org/7142/offer.asp?rid=13369445

Thank you in advance for helping the Ramos and Compean families at this
time.

Steve Elliott
President
Grassfire.org Alliance

P.S: Monica Ramos has written an incredible entry on her
FireSociety blog that I’m asking all of you to read. NOTE:
While at that site, you can also find the addresses of
both men to send each cards, prayers and well wishes.

http://www.firesociety.com/blog/139/15546/?src=111

(Note: Please do not "reply" directly to this e-mail message.
This e-mail address is not designed to receive your personal
messages. To contact Grassfire.org with comments, questions
or to change your status, see link at the end.)
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+ + Feedback or comments on this update?

Go to FireSociety.com and post your comments so that the
Grassfire staff along with thousands of citizens can benefit
from your thoughts and opinions:

http://www.firesociety.com/blog/139/15546/?src=111


+ + Technical questions only:

For technical questions regarding this email, go here:
(Not for comments/feedback on this update)

http://www.grassfire.org/techemail.asp?ind=15


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From Grassfire:

I just wanted to give a quick notice to members of our team that The Senate Committee on the Judiciary will be holding a hearing to examine the prosecution of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean on Tuesday, July 17 beginning at 10 a.m.

The hearing will be held in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building, and is open to the public.

Coverage of the hearing will be broadcast on C-SPAN.

Grassfire will also bring you updates as events unfold that day.


+ + Action Item: Contact the Judiciary Senators

I'm asking all members of our team to contact the Senators on the Judiciary Committee, urging them to take a strong interest and to fully participate and question Johnny Sutton on this case.

Here are the Senators and their numbers:

Arlen Specter 202/224-4254
Orrin Hatch 202/224-5251
Charles Grassley 202/224-3744
Jon Kyl 202/224-4521
Jeff Sessions 202/224-4124
Lindsey Graham 202/224-5972
John Cornyn 202/224-2934
Sam Brownback 202/224-6521
Tom Coburn 202/224-5754
Patrick Leahy 202/224-4242
Edward Kennedy 202/224-4543
Joseph Biden 202/224-5042
Herbert Kohl 202/224-2742
Dianne Feinstein 202/224-3841
Russ Feingold 202/224-5323
Charles Schumer 202/224-6542
Richard Durbin 202/224-2152
Ben Cardin 202/224-4524
Sheldon Whitehouse 202/224-2921

Please also contact your Senators, and stress the importance of them attending this hearing for Agents Ramos and Compean.
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