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| Problems with neck; Manipulation | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 3 Sep 2010, 04:40 PM (372 Views) | |
| Gilly | 3 Sep 2010, 04:40 PM Post #1 |
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Well I am on new territory now, having moved from lumbar pain to neck pain!! I have had neck problems for almost as long as back pain (20 years) but recently had an X-ray because of pins and needles in my hand - which have shown severe spondylosis and nerve induction tests showed trapping of a nerve. Last week I saw the physio who did some manipulation, which I could kick myself for letting him do. Ever since the pain in my neck is horrendous and just doesn't let up at all and I can barely move it in any direction. Does anyone know if this is because of the manipulation and is it inflammation??? and also should manipulation be used with Spondylosis?? It seems to be a bit silly to me causing inflammation on top of inflammation but maybe I am barking up the wrong tree :rolleyes: And can manipulation do more harm than good??? Would also like to know if anyone has had a similar experience. In the meantime I have seen my GP and asked for a referral to see Mr Shackleford as I think maybe he should be the one to look at my neck seeing as he did the ADR on my lumbar discs and also I don't want any more messing about with physios etc without knowing exactly what is wrong. (wish I had done this first with hindsight). Thanks to everyone if you have any ideas, once again, it will be greatly appreciated to hear from our cervical members. Hope all are as pain-free and having good days rather than bad. Gilly xx |
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1990 MRI - disc protrusions levels 4/5 - fusion offered but declined due to poor prognosis. 2007 MRI - disc protrusions Level 4/5 level5/S1 2010 2 level lumbar ADR Mr Ian Shackleford Warrington General 2010 MRI - disc protrusions at levels C4/5 C5/6 2011 27 June 2 level Cervical ADR Mr S at Spire (on NHS) | |
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| Tony L | 3 Sep 2010, 04:58 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Gilly Sorry you now have problems with your neck and have had a bad expieriance with physio. I was mean't to be refered for physio but wasn't in the end. I am glad I wasn't as all I have heard from other's with neck problems is that it made it worse. However we are all not the same regarding treatment. I would suggest you see your consultent before considering physio again. Regards Tony |
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| dalhousie | 3 Sep 2010, 06:13 PM Post #3 |
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Hi Gilly, Sorry to hear about your persistent neck problems. I haven't logged on much these past few months but have read the posts. I think you're doing the right thing going to see Mr S then you can get an accurate diagnosis & find out what your options are. I guess your regime of swimming for your lumbar recovery is out of the question if your neck has got so bad! Through frustration, I overdid things about June time & my gym regime went out of the window. I've had trouble getting going again for various reasons so it's like starting from scratch again. We'll both get there in the end (or so I keep telling myself) in the meantime we've just got to think long term & have bucket loads of patience. I hope you don't have to wait too long for an appointment. Love Ruth xxx |
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2005 Anterior fusion L1/2 with BMP & floating rib removed. 2009 ADR (activ L) L4/5. 2010 Chronic pain from Facet Joints T10-L2 with lots of muscle pain 2013 Attended Walton PM Programme: not much help. 2014 Chronic Pain - Facet Joints L4-S1 2017 Nevro SCS for thoraco-lumbar & lower lumbar facet joint pain | |
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| Alastair | 5 Sep 2010, 09:28 AM Post #4 |
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Hi Gilly, I'm not sure where your physiotherapist was, I don't know if you were seeing one privately or if this was hospital physiotherapist but certainly I would have thought manipulation was contraindicated to people with joint problems. Especially as you have had ADR. I've always found it the osteopath and chiropractor people that do manipulation rather than physiotherapists. I think a good tactic would be getting to see Mr Shackleford and get an MRI scan done – – – you need evidence of what's happened before it can be rectified. Best, Alastair
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Founder of this board 24th February 2007 Slow and Steady Wins This Race Over 23 Years experience and research into spine surgery and over 2500 surgeries discussed and recorded ADR L5/S1 Surgery with Dr Zeegers 26th July 2002 in Munich 8 facet joint ablations 28 – 8 – 12 with Dr Baranidharan and Jake Timothy in Leeds Diagnosed Forestiers disease Your Best Asset Is Your Health I live in West Yorkshire aged 81 now Knowledge is power | |
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| Gilly | 5 Sep 2010, 04:13 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks, Tony, Ruth and Alastair, I am so sorry to hear that you have had such a major setback Ruth, especially as you were doing so well. It is so difficult to know how far to go with exercise and balancing between not doing enough and overdoing it. Fingers cross that you get back on track (as it were!!) very soon. You are right I have had to stop the swimming for the time being, which I am so disappointed about. Forgot to mention that I am seeing Mr S at Spire, so shouldn't be too long off. Thanks for the advice Alastair, it was an NHS physio I saw, and I fell for letting him go ahead and I can't believe that I did. This is what I hope Mr S will do, an MRI, and then I can find out exactly what is going on before I have any more treatment. Hope you are keeping well. Gilly xxx |
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1990 MRI - disc protrusions levels 4/5 - fusion offered but declined due to poor prognosis. 2007 MRI - disc protrusions Level 4/5 level5/S1 2010 2 level lumbar ADR Mr Ian Shackleford Warrington General 2010 MRI - disc protrusions at levels C4/5 C5/6 2011 27 June 2 level Cervical ADR Mr S at Spire (on NHS) | |
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| lovecatz | 7 Sep 2010, 12:17 PM Post #6 |
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Gilly - so sorry to hear of your problems. I had one physio session that did leave me in terrible pain afterwards. He had me in a kind of head lock and was pushing the vertebrae/discs (???) to eleviate the nerve. Needless to say he didn't do that again! Everything was gentle from then on and he convinced me to let Mr Lam operate. |
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DDD S1/L5 L5/L4 L4/L3 Lower Back Pain Since 2003 Fusion L4/S1 & ADR (Pro Disc L) L3/4 07/01/09 Mr Lam Posterior Fusion with instrumentation 14/01/09 Neck pain diagnosed with bulging C5/C6 Jan 2010 Cervical ADR booked for 11/08/10 Further neck/back pain Nov 2011 | |
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| Lynda | 24 Sep 2010, 09:30 PM Post #7 |
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Hi Gilly, Sorry your neck continues to give you trouble, any news of an appointment yet? Lynda xx |
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May 2008 onwards - Lumbar facet injections - First post-op ones four years post surgery, have lost count of the number I've had since then but they do help. Pre-op they didn't make much difference- Mr Shackleford, Warrington Feb 2008 - Cervical TDR, (Activ C's) C5/6 & C6/7- Mr Shackleford, Warrington May 2006 - Craniotomy and resection frontal lobe brain tumour - The Walton Centre for Neurology and Neurosurgery Feb 2004 - Lumbar TDR, (ProDisc's) L4/5 & L5/S1 - Mr Shackleford, Warrington | |
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| Guinea Pig Crazy | 31 Oct 2010, 04:47 PM Post #8 |
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Hi Gilly, Sorry not been on the forum in such a long time. I also have a lot of neck pain since my surgery and like you have had neck pain and back pain a long time. In fact the neck started long before the back. The physio's tried numerous things during my recovery from ADR, often making things worse and some of the exercises I shouldn't have been doing I've found out. I asked Mr Shackleford about it at my last appointment and it's likely to be further degeneration and also my joints move further than they should. I see an osteopath for my neck and I really trust him, in fact he told me years prior to my surgery that ADR was what I needed and it's definitely helped. Mr Shackleford suggested keeping myself as strong as I could with exercise to try and help with the neck. Personally I get more relief from the osteopath than physio, but, that may just be me. Not sure I've helped much, but, it may well be down to your new posture (this is what I tell myself). Hope you get some relief soon! Jen |
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Suffered since 1986 Physiotherapy, Osteopath treatments over numerous years Caudal Epidurals, Facet Block Injections Unsuitable for Fusion Surgery 1995 Mr Findlay - Walton Centre Second discogram done June 2009 - listed for ADR surgery 2 level ADR (Activ L) - L4/L5, L5/S1 November 2009 - Mr Shackleford Warrington Hospital | |
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| Pip | 10 Nov 2010, 02:53 PM Post #9 |
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Hi Gilly, SNAP!!!! I haven't been on here in ages and ages, but just to catch up briefly... In march I had surgery on my shoulder which had a few tears in it, and since then, I has become quite apparent that my neck was also the cause of some problems, so saw Mr Shackleford last week, who refered me for a scan. I was going to say 'you have no idea how fed up I have been lately' but I'm sure you have.... It all seems to be one thing after the other. First 2 lumber discs, then shoulder, then neck. What else???? So sorry to hear you, and Ruth are also having these set back too.. Take care, Pip |
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1991 Had upper back injury whilst working. On going upper and lower back problems, with prolasped discs. SPD during last pregnancy. 2008 Extreem advance in lumber pain. Refered to Mr Shackleford at Spire Hospital. MRI showed a number of problems. Disc bulging. Moderate DDD, spinal oesteophites.etc. March 2009 facet joint blocks at L4/L5 and L5/S1. May 2009 double disc replacement at Spire. Treatment for Sacro Illiac problems Sacro iliac joint fused by Mr Shackleford. June 2012 | |
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