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Lindbergh and WWII
Topic Started: Dec 7 2004, 07:14 PM (84 Views)
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Just a little note to observe how things change. Remember it was the right wingers like Charles Lindbergh who kept us from declaring war against Germany for so many years. Now it seems to be right wingers who are the first to say, "War, out to War."

Is that the "learning from history" to which Richard was referring?



I am not sure where you got he was a right winger. The reason he attempted to keep us out of war was because, like many at the time, he was a pacifist.
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I am currently reading a book about Lindbergh called "Lindbergh, a biography". This book was researched and written by leonard Mosley who was there at the time.

Up until now, it seems as though he was defamed by many Jewish groups who felt because of his pacifist philosophy he was an antisemite. In fact, as I read the book this is far from the truth.

Let us not let him be branded as such by people who can only see through glasses that are clouded by religious zeal.

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I am not sure where you got he was a right winger.


I'm sorry it took so long for this reply. My computer seems to have been playing games with me and I lost, for a while.

Here are just three of those places where I got that "he was a right winger.'

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"Truly, if a far-right-winger like Charles Lindbergh can spend his later years devoted to conservation, any conservative should be comfortable with conservation."

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If not for liberals, we might not have survived Hitler. Conservatives – Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh and major industrial leaders - thought we could get along with him.

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There were literally tens of thousands of these influentials in the United States and elsewhere in the West. And the revolutions of the left did not have a monopoly on fellow-traveling. In the 1930s, there were lots of fellow travelers of Nazism, too: Charles Lindbergh, Ezra Pound, the duke of Windsor and many others.
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Much has been written about Lindbergh with a number of excellent biographies available. Why not use them instead of your first two sources. Lindbergh was a pacifist. He toured Germany, saw what he took as Socialism rebuilding the country and was fooled into believing the German war machine was unbeatable. Particularly after seeing their air force and comparing it to the US forces available. He then came back and preached defeatism. It had nothing to do with him being right wing or left wing but everything with him being a pacifist.
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Most historians that I have read put the "America Firsters" on the right side of the political aisle. That is certainly where they would be today, isn't it?
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But the point I am making is that it was the fact that Lindbergh was a pacifist and that was his motivation for opposing the US getting into the war. I have never read that the America First movement was dominated by conservatives as conservatives are defined today. There were people who were pro-Nazi, pro-Communist, pro-Populist, and pro-Socialist along with just plane old folks in the America First movement. I know that here in Oklahoma there was a strong America First sentiment that was lead by the Populist politicians.

Please tell me you are not going to try the argument that the left is right and the right is left so they are really all the same argument.
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Please tell me you are not going to try the argument that the left is right and the right is left so they are really all the same argument.


What a wonderfully quaint preemptive argument. While it is true that the extremes of political left and right have to be considered on a circular rather than on a horizontal axis, that wasn't where I began. I simply observed that what was a firm belief of right wingers in the 1930s is now anathema to current right wingers.
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I have always thought of myself as rather quaint. Thank you.

But if that is your intention then count me out. I have had all the circular arguments I need from Cmoehle. I am neither a philosopher or a debater. I will not participate in that type of discussion.

I don't believe you have made your point about what you call right wingers.
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To our future citizens, Lindbergh, a hero of mine despite his flies, will be defined as the "national union of central government school teachers" determines how he will be defined.

the kommie krawdad from the land of yellow air and snow is a good example of how history will be rewritten to present the "proper" view of dead folks and events of long ago.

Lindbergh, the son of a congressman, came from a populist region of the country, and his grounding in populism most likely has something to do with his pre war views.

He also flew combat missions during WW2. Go figure.
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