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Christmas; I have about had enough
Topic Started: Dec 6 2004, 04:38 PM (250 Views)
OzarkPreacher
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I had some errands to run today and as is my habit I had the radio on our local Christian station and all I am hearing is how the left wing liberals want to take Christ out of Christmas.

I am sick of it!!!

I am not a big fan of commercializing the birth of our Lord but I am a big fan of His.


Here's how it is folks.

It is CHRISTmas. That means Christ's Mass. A celebration of Jesus Christ. You can't take Him out of it. It is about HIM period!!!.

It's not happy holidays or seasons greetings.

Its not Buddhas birthday

Its not Muhammeds birthday.

It has been, is, and always will be about Jesus Christ, the Son of the everliving God of this universe!!!

He is THE CHRIST, the Anointed One of Israel, there has never before nor will there ever be another like Him!!!

If you don't like to say Christmas then don't. Its not about you or what you like or don't like it is about Him.

When you take Christ out of Christmas you have no holiday.

And just in case some may have missed it, if you are going to take Christ out of Christmas you'll have to take holi out of holiday.

HE IS THE HOLIDAY!!!


I'm thru venting now.





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I thought about not posting this, but what the h*ll. I understand your position OP, and in regards to just Christmas, you are correct.

However, there are others of different faiths that celebrate holy days close to the Christian Christmas. What is wrong with being sensitive (I didn't say politically correct) by accepting the saying of Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings? Would you knowingly send a Merry Christmas card greeting to someone of the Jewish faith? Would you really be that insensitive? If others here would do that, does that not send a message that Christians don't practice what they preach? Does that not then cause others to paint with a broad stroke of the intolerance of Christians? Where does the love and acceptance come into the equation? Remember the saying (paraphrasing here) you might be the only copy of the Bible that anyone ever sees.

I for one send holiday greeting cards. It is not my place or desire to offend someone who beliefs are different than mine. There is room for all of us in this world, and starting with the holiday season might be a good time to think about it.
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Merry Christmas, OP



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cowsr4me
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Queen Mum,
I agree that proper respect should be shown to the different ways people celebrate. But I do say Merry Christmas to all. I don't feel I am being disrespectful. I want to be able to voice my prefernce. I have Jewish friends that have wished me a Happy Hannuak (sorry for spelling) And I am happy to accept their good wishes.
When I wish someone a Merry Christmas I am not trying to "get them some religion", for me it is a way to wish them well and wish goodness in their lives.
Does this kinds, sorta make sense? :xseason
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Dec 6 2004, 04:54 PM
I thought about not posting this, but what the h*ll. I understand your position OP, and in regards to just Christmas, you are correct.

However, there are others of different faiths that celebrate holy days close to the Christian Christmas. What is wrong with being sensitive (I didn't say politically correct) by accepting the saying of Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings? Would you knowingly send a Merry Christmas card greeting to someone of the Jewish faith? Would you really be that insensitive? If others here would do that, does that not send a message that Christians don't practice what they preach? Does that not then cause others to paint with a broad stroke of the intolerance of Christians? Where does the love and acceptance come into the equation? Remember the saying (paraphrasing here) you might be the only copy of the Bible that anyone ever sees.

I for one send holiday greeting cards. It is not my place or desire to offend someone who beliefs are different than mine. There is room for all of us in this world, and starting with the holiday season might be a good time to think about it.

I don't understand how they would be insulted. I would not be insulted to receive a greetings from them.
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Well said Buddy and you said it in a much shorter version than I did!
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OzarkPreacher
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Bobcatkitty
Dec 6 2004, 04:54 PM
I thought about not posting this, but what the h*ll. I understand your position OP, and in regards to just Christmas, you are correct.

However, there are others of different faiths that celebrate holy days close to the Christian Christmas. What is wrong with being sensitive (I didn't say politically correct) by accepting the saying of Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings? Would you knowingly send a Merry Christmas card greeting to someone of the Jewish faith? Would you really be that insensitive? If others here would do that, does that not send a message that Christians don't practice what they preach? Does that not then cause others to paint with a broad stroke of the intolerance of Christians? Where does the love and acceptance come into the equation? Remember the saying (paraphrasing here) you might be the only copy of the Bible that anyone ever sees.

I for one send holiday greeting cards. It is not my place or desire to offend someone who beliefs are different than mine. There is room for all of us in this world, and starting with the holiday season might be a good time to think about it.

What is wrong with being sensitive (I didn't say politically correct) by accepting the saying of Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings?

What is wrong with saying merry Christmas? If they want a federal hoiliday for their "god" the let them petition congress for it. I have no problem with other religions celebrating their god. Just don't force me to have to celebrate it with you.



Would you knowingly send a Merry Christmas card greeting to someone of the Jewish faith?

No, I would not. So why should I have to share my Saviours celebration with them. I don't ask them not to say the name of their "god".

Would you really be that insensitive?

Why, is it alright for them to be so insensitive for me to have to remove my Lords name from a celebration for Him? Again, I will say let them celebrate their god on their own day.


If others here would do that, does that not send a message that Christians don't practice what they preach?

There is a difference in being intolerant and standing up for what is good and right. Why is it when a Christian stands for his or her principles it is being intolerant but when someone bashes us for our beliefs we are supposed to turn the other cheek and be tolerant?

Does that not then cause others to paint with a broad stroke of the intolerance of Christians?

I frankly am a little sick of being accused of this. By so called Christians who are too weak to stand for what they claim to believe and by the left wing ACLU types who try and shove it down my throat. If that is being intolerant then so be it. I WILL NOT back down from what I believe is right.

Where does the love and acceptance come into the equation?

As I stated before, I have no problem with anyone celebrating the god of their choice. Just don't force me to have to do it also. If you don't like the word Christmas then fine, no one is making you say it or celebrate it. Get in touch with your senator or congressperson and have them begin legislation to set a federal holiday for your god.

Christmas is already spoken for.
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OzarkPreacher
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Let me also add that were it simply a case of "sharing" the celebration I would absolutely have no problem with it. It is not about that. It is about the concentrated and organized effort to remove Christ completely from it.

Therein is where the bone of contention lies with me.

I hope this makes my stand a little more clear.
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OP Said: Why is it when a Christian stands for his or her principles it is being intolerant but when someone bashes us for our beliefs we are supposed to turn the other cheek and be tolerant?
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Isn't there a passage where Jesus tell one of his disciples how many times he is supposed to turn the other cheek?

As I stated before, I have no problem with anyone celebrating the god of their choice. Just don't force me to have to do it also.
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Are you not in turn forcing them to celebrate the God of your choice?

So why should I have to share my Saviours celebration with them.
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In turn, why should they have to share in your celebration?

I'm not posing these questions to start a flame war or argument, I just think in this case a little compassion and understanding goes a long way. Perhaps opinions close to yours OP are the reason so many companies have removed Christmas from their advertising and instead have chosen the Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings. Maybe instead of others being offended with the word Christmas thrown at them for years, it's time for Christians to feel that same offended attitude.

Just food for thought.

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OzarkPreacher
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Isn't there a passage where Jesus tell one of his disciples how many times he is supposed to turn the other cheek?

No, there is not. There is one that says to forgive 70 times 7 but nothing like you mention.




Are you not in turn forcing them to celebrate the God of your choice?

No, there is nothing forcing anyone to celebrate Christmas, no law says you have to do it. I do not butt into Hannukah, or other celebrations of religion.

So why should I have to share my Saviours celebration with them.
In turn, why should they have to share in your celebration?

I believe I addressed this above in my last post.
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Perhaps opinions close to yours OP are the reason so many companies have removed Christmas from their advertising and instead have chosen the Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings.


Or perhaps they have been threatened with so many lawsuits if they are not politically correct is the reason.

More food for thought.
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karmasasha
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Regarding the few cards that I send. Alway religious to family and close friends. We are Lutheran or Catholic.

For the vet or dog groomer I buy a "general type" card.

Dosen't seem to hard to do.

I agree with OP
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Steven
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This is a tad off topic but I feel it may be appropriate when we talk about putting "Christ" back in "Christmas" and "Holy" back in "holiday". I believe my family was part of that trap of the commercialism of Christmas. It had gotten to the point of "what am I going to get for Christmas" and the feeling of being obliged to get something for everyone so there would be no hard feelings. I remember some relatives in my extended family gossiping about each other and comparing each other for what they did or didn't give to other family members. That scenario changed for my immediate family forever when my Father was killed by a drunk driver on Jan.3, 1973. I was nearly 23 and my next youngest sister was nearly 22. We were both living on our own then but my five other brothers and sisters were still living at home. My youngest sister was only 10 years old at the time. Just like that, no Dad. My father was an owner operater truck driver and was in the process of selling his tractor, (he was 44 years old), so he could spend more time with the family. He had realized that a Father needs to be closer to the kids and he hoped to deter a repeat of the relationship that he had had with me due to the fact that he was often on the road when I was going through my difficult teen years. He and My mother went to the American Legion on New Years Eve 1973 to visit with freinds for a few hours. My Mom didn't drink and my Dad only had an occasional beer. I asked him once why he didn't drink much and he told me it was because he had seven kids and couldn't afford it. People I know now wonder how you could have seven kids and NOT drink. A couple who were freinds of my parents were on their way to the legion to visit freinds when they were hit crossing the street to the Legion by a drunk driver. The man, whose name is Earl had a truck load of IBM computers ready to haul to Framingham Mass. the next morning. He and his wife were seriously injured and my dad volunteered to drive his rig to Mass. He picked up the rig News Years day 1973. that was the last time we ever saw him. They were coming into Framingham early on the morning of Jan. 3, 1973 and my dad was in the sleeper compartment while Earls co-driver was operating the truck. A drunk driver coming onto the freeway clipped the breakaway post of one of the big signs that span the freeway. The sign fell just as the truck came by and cut the top of the tractor off at the base of the windshield. The co-driver was seriously injured but somehow brought the rig to a stop. He doesn't even remember doing it. He had his scalp torn off and glass shoved down his throat. My dad was thrown for over 130 feet and we like to think he died in his sleep. The co-driver was a young man of 28 years old who had been married and had a baby son. About 2 and 1/2 years prior his car was broadsided by, yes you guessed it. a drunk driver and his wife and child were killed. He was just getting back to normal when this happened and I remember him telling my Mom that he wished it was him who died and not my Father. Almost 4 years later on Dec. 6, 1976, 28 years ago today one of my brothers was killed in an accidental gunshot incident. He was 19 years old. Christmas time has an entirely different meaning to my family now than it did before.
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OzarkPreacher
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Thank you for sharing a heartfelt trribute to your family.

God bless you Steven.
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Merry CHRISTmas is just that.

I firmly believe that there are those that want to take CHRIST out of CHRISTmas like the ACLU, but they will never take it away from me.

All I can say is: "Come quickly Lord Jesus!"
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I just read in Boortz’s blog that we should watch the advertisements from the local stores. The ones that ban the word Christmas from the premises will, on Dec. 26 be the first to announce their AFTER CHRISTMAS SALES. Just thought it was interesting. :dancesanta
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Steven... you are so right. The main thing about Christmas is deepening your relationships, since, like a thief in the night, you will never know when your last day on Earth will be. Puts things into a sobering perspective. Thank you for sharing that, Steven.
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Dec 6 2004, 04:55 PM
Merry Christmas, OP



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An a Merry CHRISTmas to you too Andrea.
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OP,

Thankyou for this post. I'm in total agreement with you.

The Christmas Holiday that I celebrate has been hijacked by other religions, and groups..
The secular community--out of convience have all decided to lump their various celebrations upon my Christmas celebration.

There are 12 other months in the year that the witches, warlocks, Muslims, agnostics, athiests, homosexuals,, belly dancers, and whoever else out there that wants a celebration ---can choose from.

Why do they need to diminish and degrade the birthday celebration of my Savior?


Merry Christmas
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OzarkPreacher
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EXACTLY my point Mike. We really are going to have to sit down over a cup, no make that a pot of coffee one day. :cheers
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There aren't any laws about this. Are you referring to the politically correct people or some movement or what?
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reboots, I am referring to the general trend toward doing this. And at the moment there is pending litigation in a few states to force the recognition of other religions in the Christmas celebration.
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That's a bit much for sure. I know that there has been a trend to sort of link Christmas with the Jewish holiday which happens at roughly the same time. I suppose that was a move to make it a seasonal thing which I don't personaly support.
Each of these special days fall on a date which is important to Christians and Jews and there is no reason to include both in one "season".
Why should Christian celebrations exclude christian symbols? There is only one date for Christmas, one reason for it, and interfering with how it is celebrated amounts to religous persecution.
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You are indeed correct and sadly we have many Christians who will sit idly by and watch their rights and freedoms taken away. Then when it happens we cry foul while forgetting we did nothing to prevent it in the first place.
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