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Legalizing the use of Marijuana; let the controversy begin
Topic Started: Nov 21 2004, 02:14 PM (488 Views)
Happy Traveler
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I would say legalize it for medical purposes only. I'll tell you my husband is a lot safer on the job since they started drug & alcohol test at work a few years ago. I would say a 100% safer. Thank God for the drug test.
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Fr. Mike
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The drug testing at work has had a great impact on those who continue to abuse illegal drugs. Employers have long ago figured out that drug users do not generally make very good employees--. The employer does not want to take on the extra burden drug users bring to the table.

I just last week was talking to a guy at a new Walmart store in the photo department. He told me that when the word got out that applications were being accepted, over 2000 people had initially applied. Out of that number, 350 were chosen to be hired. Out of the 350, only 80 survived the drug test. I was amazed.

So what does this have to the initial question? If I was a parent, I definitly would not share any drugs with them. And if I knew somebody who was just starting to experiment with marijuana, I would warn them of the health consequences, but also of the employment problems they would encounter.

Fr. Mike
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Ironsides
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On Jim's Question. Yes, sadly it is safe to say that some would and DO supply intoxicants to their children.
Medical use? i don't know but i would have to lean towards that being o.k. with very stringent conditions and with at least TWO Physicians from different clinics or hospitals recommending such. Then only in the case of a terminal illness.
As far as laws go, they are like anything else. they are only as good as those who apply them. I'm not for incarcerating one arrested for a minor quanity for personal use. More along the lines of an O.W.I. penalty.
Fos those who are holding,growing and selling. Throw the book at them. same for any who would supply minors or cause injury to any others.
As far as mj itself. it is my understanding that it has been refined to a much greater potency that when i used it for a short stint in the early 70's. therefore it has a much greater chance of endangering the user or others. The only case i could make as far as government control would be to insure purity.
Street drugs sold for profit could contain ANYTHING and one in this business is not going to much care if someone gets harmed by it as long as they make their profits.
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Richard
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I do not expect to be warmly received on this subject, but I noticed no one bothered to try and explain how our federal government derives the power to regulate marijuana when it required a Constitutional amendment to extend to that same government the power to regulate alcohol.

I am going to utilize Fr. Mike to demonstrate the problem and I hope that he takes not offense at this liberty. All who count themselves friends of Fr. Mike are aware that he is rather tireless in his efforts against abortion including the intrusion of the federal courts into the situation. There is nothing in the Constitution that directly gives the court the power to decide the issue, yet it has done so and in opposition to Fr. Mike's honest desires. Yet, he is happy to have the federal government overstep the limits placed on it's powers when it comes to marijuana.

We either do or do not have a government whose powers are restricted by the Constitution ( we once did but no longer ) and you can not reasonable expect a government who has slipped those bounds to do so in a manner that is always pleasing.

What is the cost of federal drug laws like those governing marijuana? The consequence is that government is allowed to operate outside the bounds of it's mandate, the consequence is Roe v. Wade and over 30 million dead babies. We should think very carefully about what we ask our government to do, even when it might be an action that we would approve of. I can assure you that a significant number of people approve of Roe v. Wade.

I see no reason why which drugs are legal and which are not should not be a matter left to the discretion of the individual states. I see a multitude of reason to insist that our federal government be restrained by the powers granted in the Constitution.

If Fr. Mike should find my use of him as an example to be offense, I hope that he will except my apology as no harm was intended to his reputation.

Best Regards,
Richard
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cornelius
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Nov 21 2004, 04:44 PM
Marijuana, like alcohol, is a drug and is addictive. We have enough problems with alcoholics and drunk driving; adding more legalized drugs just adds fuel to the fire. Look at the problems in Amsterdam where they legalized the selling of drugs. There are more deaths in the near by park. I wouldn’t have a problem with it being legalized for medical use and controlled by a licensed physician. Either way, there will be those who will abuse it, just like with alcohol.

We'll I am looking at Amsterdam every day but I have no idea what your talking about. Are you talking about Amsterdam in the Netherlands than selling drugs is NOT legal here. Yes, we don't put people in jail for the possession of a joint. Our laws about hard drugs are the same as anywhere in the world. And yes, there is a gentler approach to cannabis but I have never heard of somebody dying of an overdose of that (unless it got stock in the windpipe maybe). We have less deaths caused by drugtaking than in most western country’s and is not even relevant compared to the number of people that were killed on the road by drunk drivers.
In Scotland alone 13 000 people die every year because of smoking........tobacco.
How many in the US ????? How many of alcohol abuse ??????

Why do we accept this slaughter to continue?
Because its accepted by society.

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cornelius
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Nov 21 2004, 04:44 PM
Look at the problems in Amsterdam where they legalized the selling of drugs.

We don't have a problem, there's enough canabis for everybody. 3rofl

(stolen from Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam)
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Wilber1
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I agree Cornelius, smoking pot is probably no worse or better than tobacco when it comes to damaging health. My only concern is the damage that can be done to others by the stoned. I wonder whether legalizing possession will have much of an impact on how much damage is already being done.

I figure, if you are going to legalize part of it, go all the way. Set quality standards and tax the crap out of it just like tobacco and alcohol. That way some of the money can be used to counter the damage it causes instead of going into some dealers pocket, tax free.

I'm tired of footing the whole bill for the law enforcement, drug related crime and health issues involved with this stuff. Let the folks who are making the all money off it pay their way.
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