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Some Canadians want to indict the President; For war crimes.
Topic Started: Nov 20 2004, 07:39 PM (205 Views)
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Some Canadians want to indite the President for the war in Afghanistan.

I thought the Canadians supported that war.

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No, no, no - I figured this would fly all over the Internet.

It is all from ONE Editorial in a Toronto paper, that is about on par with the New York Times, by ONE lefty writer - and it concerned Iraq, not Afghanistan.

He just wrote some sarcastic piece (which I read the other day) about Canada not allowing people guilty of war-crimes into the country, or arresting them if they are here. (Mr. Bush is coming here at the end of the month.)

Pure crappola, Michael Moore-type stuff...... ignore it.
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No, no, no. This was a law professor, I think from Toronto, and he was talking about Afghanistan. He said the US did not have permission of the UN. That it was a war of retaliation, not defense and that the President and Colin Powell should both be tried as war criminals and he is getting a group together to bring the charges. I just heard him say it.

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Sounds exactly like that guy.... sure its not him? I didnt catch whether it was a staffer or a letter to the editor.

You say you heard him? Radio or TV?

I'll see if I can google this article - its all a bunch of bullshit, Buddy, dont worry about it. (If he's a "Professor", that should be your first clue.... ;) )
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It was on TV.
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Found it - was the guy's name Thomas Walkom?
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Having dinner.... back in a while.
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No, it was Michel something. Hang on I will see if I can get somthing on it.
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I couldn't get it. I wish I had written his name down. He kept talking about a Canadian law which allows Canadians to bring charges on anyone in the world. The show may be repeated later tonight. If it is I will get his name. He is a Law Professor expert on international law, widely published.
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So sue us, we got John Edwards and he has a lot of time on his hands right now. :D
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Name is Micheal, Micheal Mandel

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Old story, October 2001.
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I hate sticking my nose into your conversation guys, but I heard the same story on the news Fri morning. Our (Canada's) war measures legislation or something along that line is what could be used against Mr. Bush.

As Ten said, don't sweat ONE Canadian spouting off (ok, two - we also have Carolyn Parrish). It really bothers me (FWIW) that every time something like this happens, its Canada and ALL its citizens are doing such and such. Its one sorry-ass professor and perhaps a small group of fanatics just as it was a month or so back with the draft dodgers memorial.

WE do not have the anomosity toward the US and its people that you want to portray, just as all Americans aren't Canadian/Canada haters. Please don't group me in with this group of want-my-five-minutes-on-tv-crowd. It just ain't so.
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54thparallel
Nov 20 2004, 08:13 PM
I hate sticking my nose into your conversation guys, but I heard the same story on the news Fri morning. Our (Canada's) war measures legislation or something along that line is what could be used against Mr. Bush.

As Ten said, don't sweat ONE Canadian spouting off (ok, two - we also have Carolyn Parrish). It really bothers me (FWIW) that every time something like this happens, its Canada and ALL its citizens are doing such and such. Its one sorry-ass professor and perhaps a small group of fanatics just as it was a month or so back with the draft dodgers memorial.

WE do not have the anomosity toward the US and its people that you want to portray, just as all Americans aren't Canadian/Canada haters. Please don't group me in with this group of want-my-five-minutes-on-tv-crowd. It just ain't so.

You are right, I will correct the wording. :sorry
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Nov 20 2004, 08:12 PM
Name is Micheal, Micheal Mandel

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Old story, October 2001.

Yes that is him but no, it is not a old story when he gets on American television and threatens our president with a indictment for war crimes. That was not in the article you gave a link to.

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Thanks for straightening that out Buddy.

The story I heard on the news said that the only way to use this piece of legislation was for the government of Canada to initiate it. A citizen cannot. I'll continue to look for the piece on the internet.
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I was thinking about this while having dinner (Beef, breaded mushroom and breaded Scallop Fondue - Mmmmm!).

Maybe, with a third of your Military half-way around the world, this IS a good time for us to pull a surprise arrest of President Bush when he gets here - it would sure slow down your Invasion and Take-over of Canada.

Hell, it might take you all DAMN WEEKEND!


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The story I heard on the news said that the only way to use this piece of legislation was for the government of Canada to initiate it.


That sounds better. I am sure you can understand my feelings about this. What if someone in the US indited your PM for say your treatment of the Native Peoples of Canada.
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Aw, now let's be nice, Buddy - I dont think you wanna get into what Native Americans think about the last two hundred years.....

We had Ipperwash - you had Wounded Knee.
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No, you missed the point. I wasn't saying we treated ours any better than you did. I was pointing out how you would feel about someone in the US inditing, under some US law, your PM for something which you feel your country was justified in doing.
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That sounds better. I am sure you can understand my feelings about this. What if someone in the US indited your PM for say your treatment of the Native Peoples of Canada.


If it were "someone" in the U.S., I'd take it with a grain of salt.

If it were your government, I'd say please do! But that's another topic altogether.
I know this doesn't answer your question but I honestly don't think our government would ever consider such a move. Its downright suicide for them.
There are many Canadians who believe the war in Iraq is justified. I happen to be one of them but that's me and I don't speak for the rest of my countrymen.
There are a lot of things that our elected government does that I don't agree with but because someone else elected them then I do have to put up with what they do until the next election and do everything in my legal power to stop them from getting re-elected. Again, this doesn't answer your question, but that's the way I see it.
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That's fair enough.
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OK Buddy, I confess. I edited the title to correct the spelling of "indict." Typos drive me nuts. :)
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54th is very correct about many Canadians being with you all the way; others are like many folks in your country. Iraq and Afghanistan are two different apples.

I dont recall hearing much protest about Afghanistan, either in America OR Canada.


If I can presume to speak for the folks on one other side of the table from 54th (remembering there are FOUR sides to a table!): Afghanistan is when Bin Laden and Al Queda were/are - THEY are the ones who caused 9-11 - its a no-brainer.

Iraq is a different story - even your 911 Commission said so. Powell has said so. Rummy has said so. I think Bush has said so.

So to Canadians, or a lot of them, its a little harder sell.

We still support the Military, and now that they are there, its a mess that HAS TO BE straightened out. But if one was to go back three years, when the talk of Iraq was beginning - I wonder how many of us might think; "Uh, hold on a sec, lets think this over....." ?
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OK Buddy, I confess. I edited the title to correct the spelling of "indict." Typos drive me nuts.




Good for YOU!!!
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Nov 20 2004, 06:52 PM
OK Buddy, I confess. I edited the title to correct the spelling of "indict." Typos drive me nuts. :)

You're a man after my own heart, MC - on my Canadian site, the Admin gave me the title "wannabe English teacher".

If you ever wonder why so many of my posts have "edit tags", its because I caught a typo after posting.

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I have been a dyslectic all my life and consequently have never been a good speller. If spell check does not correct it for me I may never see it. But I don't mind someone correcting me. :thumb
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I finally found the story in the Toronto Star.

Should Canada Indict Bush?

Perhaps you can comment better on the article
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Yep, thats the one I read, 54th.
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Nov 20 2004, 08:54 PM
54th is very correct about many Canadians being with you all the way; others are like many folks in your country. Iraq and Afghanistan are two different apples.

I don't recall hearing much protest about Afghanistan, either in America OR Canada.


If I can presume to speak for the folks on one other side of the table from 54th (remembering there are FOUR sides to a table!): Afghanistan is when Bin Laden and Al Queda were/are - THEY are the ones who caused 9-11 - its a no-brainer.

Iraq is a different story - even your 911 Commission said so. Powell has said so. Rummy has said so. I think Bush has said so.

So to Canadians, or a lot of them, its a little harder sell.

We still support the Military, and now that they are there, its a mess that HAS TO BE straightened out. But if one was to go back three years, when the talk of Iraq was beginning - I wonder how many of us might think; "Uh, hold on a sec, lets think this over....." ?

I don't want to go through the Iraq thing again but I will say that if I had been in charge we would have done it a bit different. We would have still done it, just a bit different.
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Nov 20 2004, 08:32 PM
The story I heard on the news said that the only way to use this piece of legislation was for the government of Canada to initiate it. A citizen cannot.

I also understand that a foreign leader can not be charged while in Canada on official business. We may have to wait until President Bush retires in four years and makes a fishing trip up over the line. Gee, I forgot that he wouldn't be able to come once he's out of office because of the DUI. :)
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Nov 20 2004, 07:16 PM
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Nov 20 2004, 08:32 PM
The story I heard on the news said that the only way to use this piece of legislation was for the government of Canada to initiate it. A citizen cannot.

I also understand that a foreign leader can not be charged while in Canada on official business. We may have to wait until President Bush retires in four years and makes a fishing trip up over the line. :)

Yeah - THAT'D go over real well, too!

We might get until Monday to be invaded, so as to cut down on the Overtime!



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I doubt if he's got anything to worry about. "Some Canadians" who would charge him don't have any say in the matter. :)
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Pretty hard to do it over Afghanistan when Canada has 3/4 of its armed forces there itself. Canada also provided a lot of indirect support for Iraq by protecting the Persian Gulf flank & logistical support, even though it was not officially involved. So pretty hard to do it over Iraq either. Despite opinions on the justification or non-justification of Iraq, the whole idea sounds pretty stupid to me. I'd just ignore it.
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