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| Moolah's and Jelly Bean's Accounts Deleted; Why? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM (1,583 Views) | |
| ImaHeadaU | Nov 19 2004, 01:08 PM Post #1 |
Contrarian of the Realm
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I was away from this forum for about a week and I haven't read every post in every thread that appeared during that time or over the whole life of this forum. If there is another thread that explains why these members accounts have been deleted, please provide a link for me. I have seen the pinned thread "A very difficult Decision has been made.." at the top of The Breach's opening page. The only clearly stated reason I can find for the deletion of these members' accounts is Richard's statement, "Because an angry man and a stupid woman have been so discourteous as to abuse all of us for days on end.." While I will neither agree nor disagree with Richard's characterization of Moolah and Jelly Bean, I would guess that the membership of this forum would be much smaller in size if all "angry men" and "silly women" had their accounts deleted. As I said above I have not read all posts but I haven't felt that either of these members were particulary "discourteous" or "abusive" to me or other members. Perhaps better reasons were presented in some restricted segment of the forum for these deletions. If so could they be made available to all members? I trust I am not alone in my concern over the fate of these members. |
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| Center Punch | Nov 19 2004, 01:11 PM Post #2 |
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Don't worry about it. Just keep on being you and EVERYTHING will work out in time. seriously. It's just an Internet Forum. |
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| Mainecoons | Nov 19 2004, 01:11 PM Post #3 |
Keeper of the Royal Cattery
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Fully explained in the thread, "A difficult decision . . ." Read it again. |
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| ImaHeadaU | Nov 19 2004, 01:13 PM Post #4 |
Contrarian of the Realm
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Apparently, you have not read my post. |
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| TenPacks | Nov 19 2004, 01:13 PM Post #5 |
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I wouldnt want to make a prediction about that, it's hard to say. This is my final statement in Admin about it, and my ONLY one here. "As stated, I will support the Decision. In fact, on a personal basis, I feel no need to say any more about it." |
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| Psycmeistr | Nov 19 2004, 01:13 PM Post #6 |
Keeper of the Realm
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Ima, I understand your position. Thank you. |
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| Mainecoons | Nov 19 2004, 01:15 PM Post #7 |
Keeper of the Royal Cattery
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I read your post, the answer to your question was in the thread I cited. 'nuff said. |
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| Stacy | Nov 19 2004, 01:18 PM Post #8 |
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Ima I have a thread on the round table on this. I posted it there in hopes that we could have it with no flaming. If you care to take it there we can consalidate all thoughts and decisioni n one area therefore we reduce the chance of things getting missed. |
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| karstenkid | Nov 19 2004, 01:20 PM Post #9 |
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It is sad to see such action. I would have hoped that they would be able to reign in their own emotions and allow others to continue in a normal manor. Alas, they could not. ImaHeadaU, In my opinion, their campaign for what they saw as justice consumed more than the simple threads that would allow proper discussion and possible resolution or compromise of their principles. It consumed them. Paranoia seem to set in. Their antagonizing crept into most of the threads for the last couple of weeks. They let no one get beyond their concerns and to allow normal conversation with out taking exception. Others here did seem to fuel the fire in an attempt to stop the onslaught. I for one got tired of the angry remarks and accusations that crept into normal conversation. Maybe if they would have heeded the advice of many and waged a controlled campaign instead of an all out onslaught they could have gotten beyond it also. They may or may not have won their position but they ddi defeat themselves by method alone. I doubt you can get the brunt of it thay many felt without some time consuming reading. Not just the 18 - 25 page tit for tats. It is in most tof the posts on pages 3 and higher as of this post. |
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| Mainecoons | Nov 19 2004, 01:21 PM Post #10 |
Keeper of the Royal Cattery
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Very well said (written)! |
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| whitetrash | Nov 19 2004, 01:28 PM Post #11 |
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So why does Moolah get to be an angry man but JellyBean gets to be a stupid woman or are all of us women 'stoopid'? Now I'm just funning, don't take me serious. |
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| Stacy | Nov 19 2004, 01:31 PM Post #12 |
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Ima as Kirsten said you can not fully understand what we went through. Every thread even ones started in an attempt at good humor were hijacked and turned into either a pity party or another chance to rant and rave. It was horrible and childish. They went to far. It was all done witha good principle, but all done wrong. The fact that they fought this hard for you should really humble you. Paranoia setting in, is mild to what happened. You all know how I felt about it. I realize that I egged Jelly on. Not over the IMA issue. But her constant paranoia in regards to my posts. I realize that kept her going on the other end. I can't say I am sorry for it. I backed down once, and saw what happened, and wasn't going to do that again, but I am sorry for what it does to you. To the forum. Now I want healing. For all involved. And that will take talking htis out like adults. |
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| Wanderer | Nov 19 2004, 01:32 PM Post #13 |
Travelling Scholar
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Both of them knew full well what they were doing. It was very calculated. It started back in atc. It continued in the fire. It continued here. A very difficult, but long overdue, necessary, decision for the betterment of this forum. |
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| the breeze | Nov 19 2004, 01:32 PM Post #14 |
Keeper of Holes
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you better apologize or you will be gone. got more damn guards here than members. |
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| Fr. Mike | Nov 19 2004, 01:39 PM Post #15 |
Abbot Monk, Vintner & Steak Knife Keeper, Purveyor of Stamps
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I'm distressed that Steven has left our neighborhood. I was unaware that our community was losing other valuable contributers. I will admit that I had reached a point where the tension and stress was taking an affect . If anybody knows Stevens e-mail address and is still in contact with him, would you please e-mail him and ask him to contact me at 'frmike2u@yahoo.com" If you have other members who have left --that you know how to contact them---please also tell them to contact me. My words of advice to all here--and especially the administrators is DO YOUR JOB. Obviously this was allowed to fester for far too long. Many of us members attempted throlugh posts or threads to stableize and mediate the warfare. I volunteer my services as an off the board mediator/ counselor if you feel there is a need. All mediation would be done out of sight of the forum. We have to preserve this community. Although this is 'only an internet forum' as some would rationalize. I believe that this is just a beginning of a whole new world of human interaction. It is the reason that I took my brothers suggestion to heart and jumped in here. Fr. Mike |
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| ImaHeadaU | Nov 19 2004, 01:40 PM Post #16 |
Contrarian of the Realm
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Okay, I have re-read the "reasons" and have dredged every little bit of a reason that I could find and have listed them here and addressed them. Reasons Dirty Harry, "moolah, jelley ... Almost every post is hijacked at their will. One can not speak up intelligently or logiclly with out fear of those three insulting or degrading good people. Psycmeistr, "I have received countless PMs regarding the behavior of Moolah and Jelly. To be fair, some have been supportive of them, but by far the vast majority have been from those who have deplored their behavior and implored us to take action." Richard, "Because an angry man and a stupid woman have been so discourteous as to abuse all of us for days on end." Re. Dirty Harry's charge, my recollection of Moolah's and Jelly Bean's posts is that they were on topic and limited to appropriate threads. While Moolah might occasionaly engage in name calling which I don't support, such behaviour is not against the Rules of the Realm and many other members are much more abusive in that manner. Re. Psycmeistr's charge, will this forum be run by a tyrany of the majority? Will dissenting from the majority view be a hanging offense in the Breach? Re. Richard's charge, while I don't agree with these characterizations of Moolah and Jelly Bean, only the "abuse all of us for days on end" could be considered to be against the Rules of the Realm. IMO standing up for freedom of speech and against censorship should not be considered "abuse" and I believe these positions were pursued in appropriate threads and mechanisms of this forum, so far as I know. |
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| Psycmeistr | Nov 19 2004, 01:46 PM Post #17 |
Keeper of the Realm
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Ima, I appreciate your views. It was not about standing up for Free speech, but in the disruptive manner in which they chose to do it. |
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| the breeze | Nov 19 2004, 01:46 PM Post #18 |
Keeper of Holes
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were not in Kansas anymore Toto. |
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| Richard | Nov 19 2004, 01:49 PM Post #19 |
Sir Galahad, Lord of the Realm
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People on this forum have a tremendous latitude in what they can post and what opinions they can express. There are few limitation placed on expression other then those imposed by the terms of service for the board itself. One thing that is not permissible is to be so disruptive as to do harm to the community. I can think of no objective method to measure how "disruptive" a person is acting as this is a qualitative judgment, but it should be clear to any person that when the behavior of an individual is directly causing other members to leave the realm then we can reasonably determine that behavior to have be disruptive. I hope that we can put these caustic events in the past. Some people will subscribe to the choice Psycmeistr made and other will not but I hope those whose view prevailed will be generous and patient and I hope those who might resent this action will realize that hard choices will never be pleasing to all. I think it is time to move on. I think it is time to rebuild those bonds of trust and respect that are the cement that bind us together as friends. Best Regards, Richard |
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| Stacy | Nov 19 2004, 01:53 PM Post #20 |
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I agree it isn't free speech. They were very disruptive. I do not think it was because they disagreed with Psyc, they called admin out on a wrong or any of that. THEY WERE DISRUPTIVE. But I hope that they and all of us can learn from this. I did appreciate what was brougth to the table by all involved prior to this. I hate to see good discussions lost because of poor decisions. Just like they say psyc made one bad decision, and pysc says that doesn't mean it will become a habit, I hope the same is true for them. |
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| Jack of 32 | Nov 19 2004, 01:54 PM Post #21 |
Old Man of the Sea, Ruler of the Realm
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I respect your right to your opinion IMA, but if feel that there were many others besides Dirty Harry and Steven that were ready to bail out as well. I myself was not to far from it even after taking some periods of time outs from the Breach. I am not sure that anyone here is going to be able to satisfy you in this matter, so I will not respond to you on this thread anymore regarding the decision that was made. Except to say that in my opinion it was the right decision if this site was to continue on.... |
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| Campingfans | Nov 19 2004, 02:04 PM Post #22 |
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Hi guys, Here is how I see it, like anybody cares Initially when IMA was suspended, (for 24 hrs), I was thinking that it was wrong. Well the more that I thought about it, I came to the conclusion that this is NOT a democracy on this board. We are all entitled to our opinions though! Psyc was an adult and apologized to IMA. Admin has the final say, and I think that they have been quite straight forward with us. Then Moolah and Jelly started making a stink about free speech, deleting of posts, etc. At first I saw both sides. Well, the stink continued and continued, without resolve. Many digs were thrown out by all, but esp. Moolah on that first night. He burned many bridges that night, and I lost respect for him then too. I saw admin trying to heal the wound MANY, MANY times. Jelly continued to attack anybody that made a post, in any thread. I was tired of the whole thing and I made a reference to a person that I knew that was bipolar. The bizarre behavior continued even after many tried to give a hint. I'm sad to see them go, maybe they will start their own board with their own rules. If I was Admin, I would have given a 2 day suspension and then go from there. But, I support them in their decision. Laurie |
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| Stacy | Nov 19 2004, 02:04 PM Post #23 |
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To be honest I was ready to take a vacation as well. I hoped things would calm down and Iwould be back. I was sick of it as much as you all. But I am just not sure about the finality of this. I just think maybe a warning, not just verbal, but a temp ban may have been a first step. |
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| the breeze | Nov 19 2004, 02:06 PM Post #24 |
Keeper of Holes
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can you say " around the campfire " ? |
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| Center Punch | Nov 19 2004, 02:13 PM Post #25 |
Village Smythe
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Is that where you're going? Just remember you're free to do so. This place is nothing like AtC and you know it. |
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| the breeze | Nov 19 2004, 02:15 PM Post #26 |
Keeper of Holes
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i meant its becoming the "atc " touchy, touchy. |
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| Center Punch | Nov 19 2004, 02:27 PM Post #27 |
Village Smythe
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Not even close. And, once again, you know that. |
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| whitetrash | Nov 19 2004, 02:30 PM Post #28 |
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I think you guys have been posting together far too long to have 'permately' removed them... Yes it was getting old (even for me) and tiresome and I know there was plenty of warnings but Couldn't you do it for like a week and see if things calmed down enough that they could come back? |
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| the breeze | Nov 19 2004, 02:30 PM Post #29 |
Keeper of Holes
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who are you kidding ? you are one of the controlers ! wake up you goof. |
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| whitetrash | Nov 19 2004, 02:31 PM Post #30 |
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:popcorn (again) |
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| karmasasha | Nov 19 2004, 02:37 PM Post #31 |
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In my entire life on this earth I have never had anyone question my character, integerity, or honesty. I worked as a charge nurse in critical care units for many years and had more than a few run ins with nasty doctors. Not one of them ever attacked me as a person. Jelly and Moolah did that to me on the few times I tried to post. I find them both despictable and am thankful they are gone. For the first time I feel that I might look forward to posting here. Steven, Please come back. Psych, Thank you. Sincerely, Andrea |
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| Bobcatkitty | Nov 19 2004, 02:39 PM Post #32 |
Queen Mum
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How about this, and end this once and for all: Some think JB & moolah should still be with us. Some think JB & moolah should be gone. Let's stop discussing this and move onto other things...OK? |
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| OzarkPreacher | Nov 19 2004, 02:42 PM Post #33 |
Sir Lancelot
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:yeahthat the Queen has spoken. |
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| Silent Angel | Nov 19 2004, 02:42 PM Post #34 |
Purveyor of Handcuffs
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Breeze, the things that happened at ATC are long ago in the past and should be left in the past. I do not think it was a factor in the decision that was made. As a long lurker of the forums and new poster, I like others took offense to the constant hijacking of post and general rude behavior of their actions. They were told constantly to take it to the Admin/Guard forum, but chose not to. They took innocent post and harassed members on their intentions. This place is becoming nothing like the ATC and probably never will. We can post about anything and voice our opinions, but to harass others and make accusations about innocent post is rude and disruptive behavior that should not be allowed. Everyone here is an adult and is expected to act like one. I support the decision made and wouldn’t mind seeing them come back, but only if they can act like an adult. There is a time and a place for everything. There was nothing wrong about them going to the defense of someone else, it is quite honorable to defend someone who for a time couldn’t defend themselves. But they were given the place to take it, but refused. IMO, they brought this on themselves. We all live in a society that is not without rules, here and in our everyday lives. If you break a law, even though it may be a stupid one, it doesn’t change the fact that you broke the law. If there are mitigating circumstances, there is a place to take it, its call the courts. The Admin/Guards provided them with a place to take it; but they, like so many in this world chose to take it to place where no one had the ability to do anything about it. There behavior was akin to starting a riot. Ignoring them only caused them to escalate their harassment and attacks on other members. Something had to be done. If they are allowed to come back, I hope everyone can act in a civil manner and let it go. Like Center Punch said, “It's just an Internet Forum.” Like Bobcatkitty said, "Let's stop discussing this and move onto other things..." |
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| karmasasha | Nov 19 2004, 02:42 PM Post #35 |
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They come back and I leave. Andrea |
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