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Art; S01E02
Topic Started: Dec 30 2010, 05:28 AM (1,603 Views)
eamesfreak
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Jan 4 2011, 03:11 PM
...bats all over the place in the hard liquor department...

I know I do :lol:

but it sure would've been nice to see him order for her.

we do have the fact that he made the bartender stand there and wait till Alex was off the phone... that was kinda cute
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Jan 4 2011, 03:11 PM
Also, I just ran to "Shrink-Wrapped" today, and I find it interesting that when they visit the copper art guy, Alex says, "Is this what you mean by art that makes you think?"

Now, speaking for myself, I only remember offhand comments a man makes about his preferences in whatever if I like LIKE the guy. So, two years later, she brings up his observation from "Art." She files his tidbits away because they are important to her. I sense he's the type of man who does the same.

Now, admittedly, this backfires in my beloved "Albatross" and "Lady's Man," because why doesn't he order for her in the first one and profess ignorance that she likes bourbon in the second? Although maybe she bats all over the place in the hard liquor department and isn't a predictable Scotch like him.

Good one! I would have never gotten that! It's true...you DO remember little things about a person who has caught your eye (and heart). :wub:

I don't think your theory backfires in "Albatross" or "Lady's Man". I think Alex's drink preference DOES change with her moods. We already know she sometimes chooses Margaritas. In another episode (can't remember...Help?) Deakins took her and Bobby to meet some guy in a bar and they all had a beer. Maybe bourbon was her "grief" drink after Joe's death.
I agree she is unpredictable at a bar.
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I agree with Paulie V., Eames was more than a little flirty in seasons 1 and 2. Somewhere there's a picture of Eames smiling a Bobby after she point out the Monet painting and says that he probably prefers the "naked, sweaty people." It's only natural. Bobby is tall and handsome and woman flirt with good looking men even if they don't mean too. I still think this early in their partnership, she found him amusing - odd - but amusing.
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I think Lady's Man holds true to the 'hard drinkin girl' Goren knows Eames to be. I thought his reaction to hearing about the wine showed that he was surprised by this (and it turned out he was right to be surprised).

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He was just testing the bartender too (since he knew the answer already).



I think he was just tweaking Eames about bourbon because he could.
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ssoo good, I never thought of it that way, Paulie.

makes so much more sense. testing the bartender. yes. and bugging her because he could.

but,

DAH! I HATE it when I find out that everything I like was an act!!! >:(
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Jan 6 2011, 10:07 AM
ssoo good, I never thought of it that way, Paulie.

makes so much more sense. testing the bartender. yes. and bugging her because he could.

but,

DAH! I HATE it when I find out that everything I like was an act!!! >:(

I know this is the "Art" thread, but can't resist:

I find it peculiar when, after the bartender exchange and her phone call, she says to him, "Did you find out everything you needed to know (one beat, two beats) ... about me?"

I am all in that it's an act with the bartender, but it seems like she has a hunch that he is trying to get to the bottom of the "did she sleep with him" question. Which means she knows he cares, and why would he care if he didn't adore her?

Right, Skittles, forgot about the margarita and the beer in the other episodes. And EF, it is quite sweet that he holds up the bartender in "Albatross" while she is on her phone call.
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Jan 3 2011, 10:53 PM
Maybe this belongs on another thread....I don't think Eames starting flirting with him until season 3 onward. Let's not forget, season one Joe had recently (within the past year or so) died. I don't think she looked at anyone that way for a while.

Bobby grew on Alex. She fell for him slowly. I think Bobby fell for Her faster and earlier.


so much to agree with ...
this has always been the noromo old man's take. Goren 'admires' Eames more than she admires him in the beginning ... the old man thought that before 'itwsh' confirmed it for us.
he grows on her ... and then he grows distant. :(

they do this -- come together, move apart. a 'pas de deux' in long play.

Eames enjoys a more 'bawdy' kind of humour in seasons 1-3, (my favourite is still 'i need a cigarette and eight hours sleep. :o ) but then, she did just come from Vice. being this way is in character for her. cops who deal with sex and sexual deviants for a living are gonna be more inclined to joke like that, i think. idk.

i took the margarita quip as just that - a quip. the comment was meant to express her fatigue with the case and the subject matter (abortions, choice, anti-choice extremists who murder people who won't be the way they think they should be ... ), not a permanent, strict, personal preference in spirits and mixed cocktails. she doesn't want a sweet 'girl drink' any more than she needs to have a cigarette and eight hours sleep. what she's saying is 'this is hard for me' and i gather that this is not something she says or admits to very often.
(or, 'that job-related activity got me really turned on', in the other example.)

i can't see Bobby ordering anything for Eames. that'd be a sexist thing to do, and he might be an old fashioned gentleman, but he's NOT sexist, and he respects Eames too much to treat her like anything other than 'a partner' while they're on the job (until that little side hug in Loyalty 1 :wub:.) and, they might not be 'on the clock' in that scene, but they are still on the job.

i agree with Paulie's take on the bar scene in 'lady's man', too. i thought that he was genuinely surprised to learn that she'd been drinking wine. then, was amused at himself for thinking even for a second that he doesn't know her as well as he does. (*snort* she was NOT drinking wine. that's a girl drink. :lol: her pantywaist boyfriend was drinking the girly drink ... a piece of information that is actually important to the unfolding of the plot.)


to me, the importance of these lovely little tidbits coming up over years and years is that it tosses the noromo notions that; 'it's only a procedural drama with case files as the core of each show and no long-term continuity, and the main characters are not meant to have anything like a personal relationship with each other' right out with the garbage.

i remember being told repeatedly (by some people who are smarter than me and needed me to see the painfully-deluded error of my thinking) that they don't even talk to each other outside work.

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realistically speaking, how does one prove THAT????
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Errrrr, How can anyone say that they don't talk outside of work. See 'Blindspot.' How did Eames know all about "sargeant Goren" and his mentor Dr. Gage and Dr. Gage's breakdown. How did Goren know about Joe's partner, the one who got shot in the head. Durrrr, seems to me that they have some pretty long, detailed, intimate talks about their pasts. Who said this. " A man will only discuss his past with a woman he's in love with." I think Bobby actually said that.
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Jan 6 2011, 06:03 PM
Errrrr, How can anyone say that they don't talk outside of work.  See 'Blindspot.'  How did Eames know all about "sargeant Goren" and his mentor Dr. Gage and Dr. Gage's breakdown.   How did Goren know about Joe's partner, the one who got shot in the head.  Durrrr, seems to me that they have some pretty long, detailed, intimate talks about their pasts.   Who said this. " A man will only discuss his past with a woman he's in love with."  I think Bobby actually said that.
Ooh That's shippy! Anyone remember which eppy?
Thought of another one: When did Eames tell Goren about her pregnancy? The elevator ride up to the 11th floor?


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i remember being told repeatedly (by some people who are smarter than me and needed me to see the painfully-deluded error of my thinking) that they don't even talk to each other outside work.



That is just plain ridiculous! I had personal conversations outside of work even with colleagues I DIDN'T like just because....how do you get away from them when everyone goes to lunch together? Or a company Holiday dinner? Or someone's retirement party? Or on a business trip? Those looooong plane rides...... And yes, I know we are talking about choosing to spend time together but we KNOW Goren and Eames do that! ;) Even Carver would admit there is too much evidence!

Long story short (too late) I agree with y'all. :)
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Jan 6 2011, 06:03 PM
Errrrr, How can anyone say that they don't talk outside of work. See 'Blindspot.' How did Eames know all about "sargeant Goren" and his mentor Dr. Gage and Dr. Gage's breakdown. How did Goren know about Joe's partner, the one who got shot in the head. Durrrr, seems to me that they have some pretty long, detailed, intimate talks about their pasts. Who said this. " A man will only discuss his past with a woman he's in love with." I think Bobby actually said that.

Or the episode (I think Cuba Libre) where Eames was talking about the summer her father made lots of hospital visits to injured colleagues and said, "You were in Germany then." She seemed to have the Goren timeline committed to memory. :D
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uni  they do this -- come together, move apart. a 'pas de deux' in long play.


*like*. this dancing thing, just seems to follow them around... :D


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uni  what she's saying is 'this is hard for me'
agreed. his little smile in return is an "I'm with you" :wub:

and yes, I agree about the wine thing being strongly tied to the plot of Lady's Man. I saw that too.

whoever gave that phenomenal synopsis of why Mulrooney acted the way he did towards Eames (because he wishes he was her), has it absolutely correct. if you watch the entire ep again with this in mind, it's abundantly clear in everything, and very cool, I find. I wouldn't have figured that one out on my own, thanks! (was it you, uni?)

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but it sure would've been nice to see him order for her.


I amend this statement to include: "IF we didn't know she liked to jump around in the hard liquor dept."

basically, I get what you mean about the sexist bit, uni. If she drank the same thing every time, and Bobby knew that, it'd be nice to see. just my shippy brain. idk.


haha, I can't believe how OT we are... :ph43r:
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Jan 6 2011, 03:24 PM
to me, the importance of these lovely little tidbits coming up over years and years is that it tosses the noromo notions that; 'it's only a procedural drama with case files as the core of each show and no long-term continuity, and the main characters are not meant to have anything like a personal relationship with each other' right out with the garbage.

i remember being told repeatedly (by some people who are smarter than me and needed me to see the painfully-deluded error of my thinking) that they don't even talk to each other outside work. 

:blink:

realistically speaking, how does one prove THAT????

here's my OT take on this:

If they never see each other outside work, then why on earth would Alex seek him out in Purgatory, looking for him at his local diner? She'd been calling him and he didn't answer, so she got concerned and tracked him down. There's Carver's proof of a personal, outside-of-work relationship :lol:

Just my 2 cents. Loving your discussions, everyone. B)
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And don't forget the famous "You want to know, ask me!" in Frame when she caught Ross and that other guy looking into Goren's private life and financials.



Well, and of course "my mom wants to meet you". We can assume he doesn't mean in the police department building, on duty and such.
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it's absurd that such a concept would even come up. sheesh. Ostriches.




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"I don't see no ship.."




(uni, I'm assuming these "smarter folk" were from yonder? -don't let it bug ya.)
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Jan 7 2011, 07:01 PM
ETA:

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:lol:


Idk, but that's just a desperate argument imo. I mean, even if they don't agree that BA are in love, we ALL (shippers and NoRomos) know they are (very close) friends. It'd be odd, to say the least, that such friends only see each other at work now wouldn't it? :blink:

skittles4me
Jan 06, 2011, 08:24PM

Ooh That's shippy! Anyone remember which eppy?

It's from "Grow", where Bobby was talking to Nicole about Evan.... where she was getting all emotional in the library.
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