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| Hargiteam_42 | Jan 1 2011, 01:15 PM Post #16 |
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I feel like the eyeroll may have been him trying to just pretend he didn't fall in love with her immediately. Just my thoughts. Orrr, maybe he wasn't initially attracted to her. I always thought she looked kind of frumpy in that first season and it drives me freakin' crazy. Another alternative could be that he had feelings for her, but didn't think she'd stick around so he was trying real hard not to get too involved. I really love the Bobby/Nicole dynamic. It's pretty fucking epic, if I do say so. I mean, it would never ever ever be a good/healthy relationship, but it'd be hella hot. However, that being said, I love B/A as my main ship. They always will be <3 |
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"Out there they said, I'll bet they'll never make it. You're still the one I run to, the one that I belong to. You're the one I want for life, you're still the one that I love, the only one I dream of. You're still the one I kiss good night. Ain't nothin' better we beat the odds together. I'm glad we didn't listen. Look at what we would be missin" | |
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| unicorn | Jan 1 2011, 03:34 PM Post #17 |
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:rolleyes: see? this is where we diverge fiercely on what is 'realistic'. he was not attracted to Nelda. he knew she was a killer long before his strange overtures. if you disagree, go t the episode and show me where i'm wrong. as skittles has pointed out, he held Isobel's hand because he was about to 'out' her brilliant scheme to avenge her true husband's murder. it was a flawlessly executed plan, and he thought she was pretty cool, i think. but in the same scene, he goes out of his way to set up a comfy chair with a good view for Eames. pats the chair affectionately with a 'sit here' kind of gesture. so .... ? the waitress in 'but not forgotten' impresses him with her memory for detail. that's sexual attraction?? wow. lots of folks are hot for me, and i didn't even know it!!! :lol: the waitress he slightly flirts with in 'person of interest' (she draws attention to his somewhat-like-Wally habit of ordering the same damn meal every night, and he deflects the observation with something like "I just like to watch you write it down" - which she accepts as a compliment and gives him a salad - not the stuff of true romance, folks) she is young enough to be his daughter. Goren is not trying to get with a woman young enough to be his daughter. that would be gross and wrong, and he is not gross or wrong. he is moral and good. also, the fact that he is a habitual creature is being set up for the immediate entrance of Nicole Wallace. how did she know where to find him? he eats at the same restaurant every night. he eats the same meal. he is EASY, as far as manipulating him goes. he is deeply unhappy about how easy a mark he has been for Nicole. the ballistics expert in 'albatross' is absolutely giving him goo goo eyes, and he is absolutely ignoring her. and she's short, not tall. her hair is short, not long. i don't remember him giving Caprice Benedetti's character the eye in 'privilege'. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. as for Nicole: newcomers maybe don't know that i believe that Eames is the Great Barrier between Nicole and Bobby. that it is Eames who is the antithesis of Nicole. yes, i get flamed for my opinion everywhere i express it, and i know that most of y'all do not agree. but that's what i think. ship. |
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| skittles4me | Jan 1 2011, 05:01 PM Post #18 |
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Hey no flames here! You are among friends! Getting a little personal here but your insights make me think. I like using my brain! As I've mentioned before, I'm having to learn to think in terms of the subtext and abstract, and to look beyond concrete facts. Since reading all the different ideas on the ship, I have "looked beyond" in ALL the shows and movies I've watched and in the books I've read. As a result I feel like I get more enjoyment out of them and it makes me feel smarter. Writers (like those of CI) are artists and artists like to make people think. So here are my thoughts. (Which, along with $3.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks)I agree Bobby knew about Nelda from the start, but maybe was kinda attracted to her in a transference kind of way. Don't think he was ever attracted to Isobel. Agree his relationship with Irene was long ago and far away....out of sight out of mind. I like the idea of her being one of the neighborhood girls. I think he was just harmlessly flirting with the pretty waitresses. Just like he looked over the dominatrix in "Proud Flesh" and gave Angela (All In) and Caprice Benedetti's character (Privilege) the once over. He is a guy. Especially in the early years his character was presented as a flirt. Remember in "Shandeh" he knew the Hebrew word on the pizza box meant "woman" and Eames said something like "figures you would know that". It is just harmless flirting. Wow Unicorn! I never thought about the "predictable" angle of the restaurant scene in "Person of Interest"! See, that is what I mean...I feel my mind expanding as I write this! Whenever I can rewatch an episode with a new point of view I enjoy it more. I agree about the ballistics chick. Never saw ANY chemistry there. I DO believe that there was some chemistry between Bobby and Nicole. In the way that we are sometimes physically attracted to someone we KNOW is bad for us. Especially when we can't be with the one we love. But he LOVES Eames. We ALL agree on this! And whenever someone points out something that supports this I embrace it because I WANT TO. I love the idea that Eames is Bobby's rock in the "Nicole" episodes! It just makes me happy!That's the beauty of shipping! We can see and discuss all the evidence of B/A love that others might miss. Happy warm New Year's hugs to all! |
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| eamesfreak | Jan 1 2011, 05:23 PM Post #19 |
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I agree, he doesn’t seem all that enthralled with Irene. And really, I don’t think there’s much to him having a “type”. Like many of you have exhibited, he has shown many types of “attraction” – in one way or another, to all sorts of women. I agree with uni’s comparison of Eames to Nicole. (their dress, coloring & features) And hargie, yes, B/N’s dynamic is f%^*$@!# epic. It’s ingenious. Actually, the three of them together create quite the anomaly. No uni, that was not dumb. And you’re not gonna scare us away!
Exactly. And imo, it’s the same thing (or very similar) with Nicole. |
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| unicorn | Jan 2 2011, 01:29 PM Post #20 |
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![]() this. this is what i meant. in interrogation in the next scene, he brings up her impending cheekbone job. tells her she's a very beautiful woman ... does she really think she needs work done? if he thinks that Lisa is very beautiful, what's Eames? (not being sarcastic.) obviously he has to have noticed that she is a very beautiful woman. also, there's a date stamp issue with the good doctor ... it takes place in May, but vdo's front teeth haven't been capped yet. so, where is this? how many episodes did they make before the tooth thing??
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| Paulie_V | Jan 2 2011, 01:50 PM Post #21 |
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The GF says it was Phantom when Goren's new chicklets show up. Which is funny because isn't that when he asks Cookie about getting braces? LOL ~~~ I thought the Isobel hand holding thing was both creepy and brilliant. I thought he was doing it to show her that he knew how she'd played her husband by 'letting' him court her - hold her hand, listen to her troubles, find out her favorite things, all while hating his guts with a white hot passion. Goren's remark at the very end "what a lucky guy that'll be" (about her NEXT husband) says it all. He probably went to wash his hands right after that. |
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| MaryE | Jan 2 2011, 02:26 PM Post #22 |
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I just checked and it was Semi-Professional (check out his smile after Eames says, "Stop - you're making me hot."). But Phantom was the first appearance of the black bands on their badges. I think I read one time that the first 15 episodes were filmed in early 2001 because there was the threat of a writers' strike later in the year. |
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| bogoalexea | Jan 2 2011, 03:25 PM Post #23 |
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Airing date wise "Homo Homini Lupus", is the first ep where VDO appears with fixed teeth... As for this whole type thing, well, after what you fine folks have broken down, I don't really have any basis to why I believe that tall women are his initial type. I still think so though, I can't help it. Irene (I always thought) was an ex-girlfriend. When he proposed to her to bring some of her cash to the poker club, he wasn't really expecting her to say yes. But, I do think that if she said yes, he would be willing to go along with it. You may say "what about Eames"? Imo, though Bobby has noticed that Eames is indeed beautiful, she was still just a co-worker with maybe some light friendship emerging... that's all. As for the waitress in "A Person of Interest", I actually think they'd make a cute/interesting couple (in a no Eames universe, of course ). Like that saying puts it love is blind. You're a 60 year old woman in love with a 20 year old, I say go for it (once you make each other happy and the love is true with no underlying profits)....Bobby's flirty comment was (imo) his polite way of making her get of his case and hey, charming people gives one a good feeling. Bobby definitely needed that especially given his current 'fall from grace'... I do love to read your blog about "Semi-Detached" uni./b] and whenever I do, if I look into the mirror, I'll find a huge ridiculous smile. However, a part of me can't help but believe that he was sorta attracted to her... idk People often don't end up with their ideal type in life (I'm stating the obvious), and I think that's one of the beauties of Bobby's love for Eames: it's not based on the "OMG she's totally my type (physically)" kinda thing (just my humble view) |
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| Paulie_V | Jan 2 2011, 04:26 PM Post #24 |
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GF (and she is reading over my shoulder this morning on all these threads, so I shall defer to her greater knowledge... although she is at this very moment doing a speed zapruder "chicklet study" of S1, LOLOL!) says that Bobby is just a charming flirt of a man who likes women. He can't help himself, like some guys she knows in real life (she just hit me in the back of the head, so she must think I do this) OUCH. STOP IT. Anyway, as I was saying, he's obviously really comfortable around women and a guy with his looks probably would find it a pretty friendly world as far as the opposite sex goes. BTW, I think Eames acts flirty around him a lot even in Season 1. |
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| likeit | Jan 3 2011, 05:53 PM Post #25 |
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Maybe this belongs on another thread....I don't think Eames starting flirting with him until season 3 onward. Let's not forget, season one Joe had recently (within the past year or so) died. I don't think she looked at anyone that way for a while. Bobby grew on Alex. She fell for him slowly. I think Bobby fell for Her faster and earlier. |
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| skittles4me | Jan 3 2011, 06:34 PM Post #26 |
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I agree that Bobby fell faster and earlier. I've always wondered about the timing of Kevin Mulrooney. She met him on the first case after Joe died (which was sometime in the summer of '98 according to "Amends"). The video taped disposition about the letter was done in May '99. When was she ready to jump in bed with him? Why can I remember these things but can't remember when my kid's school projects are due? |
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| likeit | Jan 3 2011, 08:48 PM Post #27 |
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LOL! I just said yesterday....how come if we just got done with vacation I feel like I need a vacation? I still can't remember when my daughters midterm in social studies is....she only told me like 10 times!!! Anyway...back to the matter at hand.....I think Mulrooney was when she was distraught and mixed up and missing Joe so much. I think she wasn't thinking clearly and would have jumped into bed with anyone. But to get involved with someone....really involved??? Season 1 and 2 were too soon for that IMHO! Even now.... I think Alex is stuck in the past! |
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| Paulie_V | Jan 3 2011, 10:28 PM Post #28 |
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We need a Flirting Thread! I can tell you of several times in season 1 that, IMHSO and just my regular opinion too, Eames was acting flirty. They are some of my favorite Eames scenes ever. And then when I got on the 'ship, they seem even more flirty now. For instance (off the top of my head): Tuxedo Hill - when they get on the plane and Goren says "it's a tight fit", Eames says her "it's good for me" and heads happily up the aisle. Goren gives her a funny look and a smirk and I have to say that I read that (even in pre shipper days) they were sexual innuendo joking. She teases him about his sex life a number of times, ie: Badge, Semi Professional, Art. (not that that constitutes "flirting" essentially, but it is one- sided. He doesn't do it to her.. as overtly as she does it to him at any rate. And the whole Lewis Body Shop scene is magical. He is showing her off and she responds perfectly. She was trying to impress someone and it wasn't Lewis. And it worked. And of course there is my all time favorite: "Promise me a margarita when this is over". That's just the talking. There is a lot of personal space closeness they do. There are scenes that just make me go HMMMM. There always were. |
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| skittles4me | Jan 4 2011, 10:33 AM Post #29 |
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Ahhhhh That makes perfect sense. Yup, that's it! I could never make myself believe she really felt something for Mulrooney. Off topic again. Sorry. Love Paulie's flirting tells! The way they looked at each other during the "naked paintings" comment always made me go "hmmmm" even in my pre-ship days.
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| SoSueMe | Jan 4 2011, 03:11 PM Post #30 |
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Also, I just ran to "Shrink-Wrapped" today, and I find it interesting that when they visit the copper art guy, Alex says, "Is this what you mean by art that makes you think?" Now, speaking for myself, I only remember offhand comments a man makes about his preferences in whatever if I like LIKE the guy. So, two years later, she brings up his observation from "Art." She files his tidbits away because they are important to her. I sense he's the type of man who does the same. Now, admittedly, this backfires in my beloved "Albatross" and "Lady's Man," because why doesn't he order for her in the first one and profess ignorance that she likes bourbon in the second? Although maybe she bats all over the place in the hard liquor department and isn't a predictable Scotch like him. |
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Just my thoughts. Orrr, maybe he wasn't initially attracted to her. I always thought she looked kind of frumpy in that first season and it drives me freakin' crazy. Another alternative could be that he had feelings for her, but didn't think she'd stick around so he was trying real hard not to get too involved.



Hey no flames here! You are among friends!
Writers (like those of CI) are artists and artists like to make people think. So here are my thoughts. (Which, along with $3.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks)
I love the idea that Eames is Bobby's rock in the "Nicole" episodes! It just makes me happy!





