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Carver & Eames; What's going on there?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2010, 08:36 PM (912 Views)
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EAMESFREAK: I'd like to know opinions on whether or not I should start a thread regarding the Eames/Carver phenomenon, regardless of whether or not it is my imagination. I think he was jonesing on her for a bit there, there were a few weird touches between the two of them... Am I crazy? anyone else see that? Thread worthy topic?

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PAULIE: I only recall them touching arms a couple of times, but it was not necessarily weird. There was the Third Horseman one, when she asked him if he really didn't believe in abortion. I think the touch was sort of an apology or something to make her feel better about telling her something she was not pleased to hear. It was right after that that my all time favorite Eames line "buy me a margarita" happened.

I know there was at least one other time, but I don't remember what episode at the moment.

There's actually "talk" out there that Carver and Eames.... what?


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EF: ok... I'm workin on season one again, slowly though, I'm watching it through with my sister and we don't live together... so when I see the specific eps that contain these instances I'll bring it up again. I know for a fact one time she reaches out and touches him... for quite a long time. As if there is something distressing in the case, for him. But I don't recall there was. idk, there are quite a few times in seasons 1 & 2 where I got this strong feeling, because of physical or eye contact, unnecessary bias against Goren in favor of her, or many other things that he had a little bit of a desire there. Of course, it's subtle. Much like Bishop's crush on Goren. it's arguable.
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BOGO: I've seen Caver touch Deakins and Bobby in that same fashion... He usually does that when he's about to leave the room, as a way to say their on the same page or that he's supportive, I guess... Just my two cents.


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UNICORN: at least once, she deliberately moves herself away from him when he's too close. repositions herself near Bobby. (can't recall which ep.)
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bogo: yes Carver is kinda touchy with everyone. It's hard to put into words without the actual eps, but I get a feeling on top of that... something different with Alex.

uni: yes I remember that one. idk the ep either, though. I was sure she wasn't having it. then there was this one where she reaches out and touches him...

i'm probably reading too much into it. Caps when I realize where these scenes are.
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I think there could be something suggested in the early years but might be that Carver is just a flirt. Remember in "Phantom" when he flirted shamelessly with a woman to get some seminar programs? I loved the way Alex looked up at Bobby as if to say " are you seeing this?" :lol:

Carver has pictures of his kids in his office and mentions them at least once. He also wears a wedding ring. Of course that doesn't stop some people :angry: or he could have been separated or something :blink:
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I've gotten a vibe quite a few times that Eames does not like Carver very much. I've seen way more of that than anything resembling affection of any kind. I especially note the episode where Carver tricked them (the one where the reporter gets killed) as showing Eames dislike. She's been willing to get into trouble for Bobby's sake and take sides against and/or trick Carver a number of times. - Like the 'hypothetical' question in "Malignant" (another of my very fav episodes).
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You know what's funny? I just started reading JamiW's "Blood Brothers" fanfic and it's got a big fat dose of Carver/Alex in it. More like Carver vs. Alex, but still, I'm getting a kick out of reading it. I had no idea what it was going to be about, so my daily dose of 'freaky coincidence' is taken care of, thank you very much.

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no I definitely agree. (except that touch still makes me go wtf? - ugh I need to find that.)
It's a one-sided thing. which is weird. because he's married. that makes it slimy. I have a love/hate relationship with his character. he was there from the beginning, one of the "family". and Courtney is a great actor, and the character fits well into the stories. So I like him. but that's about all. He's kind of like a broken record. NOTENOUGHEVIDENCENOTENOUGHEVIDENCENOTENOUGHEVIDENCENOTENOUGHEVIDENCE...... oh come on. not a very likeable guy.

I wonder what the writers' point was in adding these particular layers, I mean, what do we learn from the fact that he likes to get too close to Alex? I suppose we get to see her move away; which reassures us of the fact there's another "man in her life"...
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Jun 8 2010, 03:58 PM
I've gotten a vibe quite a few times that Eames does not like Carver very much.  I've seen way more of that than anything resembling affection of any kind.  I especially note the episode where Carver tricked them (the one where the reporter gets killed) as showing Eames dislike.  She's been willing to get into trouble for Bobby's sake and take sides against and/or trick Carver a number of times.  - Like the 'hypothetical' question in "Malignant" (another of my very fav episodes).


I've gotten that vibe too. I think she likes when she and Goren get the best of him. One example that comes to mind is in "Pas de Deux" at the end after Alex slips the vitamins in (Johnny or Donny?)'s pocket. Carver looks at Goren and says "I watched you very closely detective" and Alex answers "Guess you watched the wrong detective!"

:lol: ha ha IN YOUR FACE CARVER!
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Yeah Eames AND Bobby don't like Carver much. Why (imo)? He's too strict (i.e. too by the rules) and he's their superior; they must comply. So when B/A foul him or get away with something, eventually they'll be satisfied...

One of my all time favorite Carver vs Bobby moments is in season 1 "The Faithful". At the end, it's like if Bobby's at the principal's office (lol). That's one of those moments that show us that yes indeed he's intimated by authority figures....

"Law school ethics class; that's where they should teach you counselor" (season 1 "The Pardoner's Tale") I just love it how Bobby got to Carver there B)
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I really liked having Carver as the ADA and I thought the series suffered without him. One of my favorite scenes with him is from The Good Doctor, when he practically ran to pick up the knives to hold up for the doctor. That was a great episode, and one where he and GE actually worked in concert to trip up the bad guy. Sometimes he was good to Goren and Eames. Especially Goren when he wanted him to use one of "tricks".
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I really liked having Carver as the ADA and I thought the series suffered without him. One of my favorite scenes with him is from The Good Doctor, when he practically ran to pick up the knives to hold up for the doctor. That was a great episode, and one where he and GE actually worked in concert to trip up the bad guy. Sometimes he was good to Goren and Eames. Especially Goren when he wanted him to use one of "tricks".

Oh yeah Carver was something B) and what a lost really *sigh*

You using the word "tricks" reminds me of 'Want' where Carver told Bobby "Try one of your tricks" to get Tagman. Boy, Bobby was pissed at Carver and the justice system...
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That was a strange episode, which has never grown on me. I agree with Eames' assessment of Tagman as victim, "of all the people to go to bat for".

Yes, Goren was mad at the system. And then when Tagman was killed in prison, it came as no surprise. What did Goren think was going to happen to him? That's also what happened to Dahmer, the 'ripped from the headlines' case I assume birthed the story.

I still fail to see what Bobby saw in Tagman. I get that he felt sorry for the guy, he was a loner and he probably identified with that somewhat, but still the crimes were so bizarre and there were more worthy perps (in my favorite type episodes - the ones with the tragic figures who became killers) who didn't get that consideration from him. That we could see anyway.

(uh oh, this should all go in the Want thread, LOL)

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BOGO: "Law school ethics class; that's where they should teach you counselor" (season 1 "The Pardoner's Tale") I just love it how Bobby got to Carver there 


Whenever I see this I think, "Wow. that was B-O-L-D bold." almost out of line. I can't believe he'd go there, i don't remember was that before or after the "I'll have your badge" principal's office ep? doesn't matter anyway, i guess, since the order's all mixed up... but if it was before, I could see how he was still not clear on how stern Carver could be. After, much more bold.


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BOGO: reminds me of 'Want' where Carver told Bobby "Try one of your tricks" to get Tagman.


I want to punch Ron in the face here. how demeaning and disrespectful. jerk.
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Whenever I see this I think, "Wow. that was B-O-L-D bold." almost out of line. I can't believe he'd go there, i don't remember was that before or after the "I'll have your badge" principal's office ep? doesn't matter anyway, i guess, since the order's all mixed up... but if it was before, I could see how he was still not clear on how stern Carver could be. After, much more bold.





Well, I don't see why he'd restrain from telling Carver that. I mean he didn't do anything against the law by saying that. Carver couldn't/wouldn't punish him over it.
There was another moment where I thought Bobby was a little rude to Carver: "Maledictus" (season 1). Carver had a newspaper clutched between his arm and side and Bobby was annoyed that he was disagreeing with them on something. And to prove his point, Goren pulled the newspaper form it's station (lol). I love how Carver just looked at the newspaper being pulled away. I'm sorry but I think that was unnecessary disrespect (the coach's words are ringing in my head again "you defy them, you disrespect them..")
Carver likes to punish Bobby when he goes against his will (when it's law related). Of course in 'Want' he didn't like it when Bobby made Tagman confess, however he couldn't punish him over it.
Talking about that scene, I love it how when Bobby got into the room, as soon as Carver stood there in front of him, he just put his head down. I thought that was rather cute.


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I want to punch Ron in the face here. how demeaning and disrespectful. jerk.

I believe Eames did feel like smacking Bobby there for siding with Tagman. Carver was weird-ed out by Goren's ideals, however he didn't want to meddle in; that's why he just smiled it off and subtly annoyed him by tell him 'to use one of his tricks'. Eames and Deakins were both dumbfounded. Deakins left the room while Eames had to share with him her disappointment.
I love it how (I can't stop now, can I) Bobby felt the heat in the room when he was alone with her. He gave her a quick glance then waited for her to speak. She said what she had to say, then left him there... alone. He just sat there fidgeting with his binder (I can't help but say *awww* at the end of that scene :rolleyes: )
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I feel like maybe Carver tried something with Eames once back before Goren came into the picture. That's kind of my take on things, plus I have this wild imagination ;)

I once read a fic where she and Carver were doing the dirty. I'll have to find it and link it here.
"Out there they said, I'll bet they'll never make it. You're still the one I run to, the one that I belong to.
You're the one I want for life, you're still the one that I love, the only one I dream of. You're still the one I kiss good night. Ain't nothin' better we beat the odds together.
I'm glad we didn't listen. Look at what we would be missin"
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I just rewatched Suite Sorrow and in the ending scene when Goren loses it and is in major angst over the father's death, Eames practically yanks Carver out of the room, I assume to give Goren some privacy with his feelings.

It's funny that I only just noticed this now, after watching that episode a bunch of times before. It's because of this discussion that I even watched the last scene (I don't really like that last scene and usually stop watching when it starts).
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