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Vanishing Act
Topic Started: May 2 2010, 11:29 AM (1,377 Views)
Paulie_V
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I got just the opposite.

When I was reading the King of Clubs attributes, I thought the whole time, "Bobby". That's him. All the way to the last line about people following him not from power, but respect for his wisdom.

The Queen of Hearts is Eames. She has always had power over Goren. She is so at ease in swimming around in her emotions that she really doesn't show them but rarely (the opposite of him). She is nominally his superior and handles that all the way from beginning to end. And he is a difficult subject to handle, but she does it.


* I know nothing about Tarot, so I maybe missed a big, fat point or something, LOL, but from the descriptions, I just somehow 'got' my Goren and Eames parallels.
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I got just the opposite.

When I was reading the King of Clubs attributes, I thought the whole time, "Bobby". That's him. All the way to the last line about people following him not from power, but respect for his wisdom.

The Queen of Hearts is Eames. She has always had power over Goren. She is so at ease in swimming around in her emotions that she really doesn't show them but rarely (the opposite of him). She is nominally his superior and handles that all the way from beginning to end. And he is a difficult subject to handle, but she does it.


* I know nothing about Tarot, so I maybe missed a big, fat point or something, LOL, but from the descriptions, I just somehow 'got' my Goren and Eames parallels.

i get this, too. you have such a way of putting things. :)
i see what you're saying about her calm and his lack of control, emotions-wise.
i've always viewed her absence of expressive emotions as indicating she is UNcomfortable with 'feelings'. and his huggy-touchy crayon-out-of-the-ear, hugging victims thing as showing his unusually-sensitive nature ... i'm gonna think on this for awhile.


but they've both got that non-verbal communication thing down.


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the king of wands is precisely who you want in a crisis situation. with a deep, mature understanding of his own inner life as well as the workings of the external material world, he responds instinctively to manage complex, stressful situations with complete confidence in himself. consequently, he inspires others to follow his direction, not with power-over, but from a place of respect for his wisdom.


When I was reading this part, I was picturing "Stress Position" in particular. I thought that was a defining moment, example-wise, in showing how Goren uses his past, his knowledge of the human psyche, his book learning and life lessons, and his ability to step up and take charge in a shit-storm, and come out the victor.

But then I just love that episode and the writing. One of my all time favs.
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Unicorn:  ...it's generalized enough that each individual card... can be applied to almost any life and any set of circumstances, and have significant personal meaning."


I didn't want to be wishy-washy- I wanted to form a firm opinion about how this applied to B/A but I can really see both sides. I DON'T see Eames as being very emotional and I'm not really sure she really keeps a lot in. She see's things in very black and white terms while Bobby has his heart on his sleeve. (Forgive me if I'm repeating anyone. Putting this out here helps me think ;) )

But Bobby IS a strong leader... Paulie's post about "Stress Position" is such an excellent example of his knowledge and confidence.

However one interprets.... I'm sure the cards were significant!
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May 6 2010, 07:22 PM

I respectfully disagree. Isn't the way these particular magicians work by just being like, freakishly observant, etc? (I forget the exact terminology Bobby uses) - ie: Holiday didn't know there was anything going on until he saw them together, he could sense the tension in little stuff like eye contact, body language, etc. (or he was snoopy and found information on them elsewhere)
Therefore, I think the magician guy did know the man in her life was bobby, and this is what makes it even more shippy. I agree what you said about the meaning of "a man in your life". He could tell there was conflict between them, but he could also tell they were more than platonic colleagues.

HA what'dya say to that, noromos!?!! (do you think they'd mind if we re-name them ostriches? :lol: )

I see what you're saying ef, however I just thought/think that he'd thrust it in Bobby's face, you know? He kept on solely attacking Eames on the betrayal thing, never Bobby. I know the writers love to keep things subtle and stuff, nonetheless it was too obvious who "the man in her life" is. If Holiday knew it was Bobby I just think he'd clearly bug him with it too... Instead he attacked him on other stuff like that profiler (can't remember his name) and Bobby doubting himself ("thinking [he's] a few steps back...").
But come to think of it, why couldn't he have read it really? :huh:
I'm losing it again :blink: :wacko:


I've always seen Bobby as an insecure guy, however you peeps explanations (& Rabeka's late night persuasions :P ) are making me see things differently. I used to think his insecurities were general (EVERYONE), however now I think, he has this discomfort when it comes to emotions, expressing feelings especially to the people he's the closest to. Best example? Eames.

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I didn't want to open a whole new thread for my "Privilege" thoughts/observations (I watched it last night). So I'll just post them here since one of them is related to "Vanishing Act" :D

After the opening credits, BA where interviewing Isabel's neighbor Regan. She was feeling a little uncomfortable talking to the detectives about Isabel's sex life. To encourage her to open up, Eames said: "Regan, we are not passing judgment on Isabel. We just need to know if she had a man in her life".... I know we've been over this and we've pretty much all agreed, but when Eames said that I had this ridiculous grin on my face and obviously my mind flashed to "Vanishing Act" :wub:

Oh and uni. your #7 examples are present in this ep too: Isabel was seven when her mother allegedly killed herself...

In the playground, where BA had an imaginary son "Max", I found it really funny when Bobby had to add "Can you watch our son for us?" before they went on the 'Dilan hunt'... I mean, what was that for? :lol:

Another random observation:
When Ross asked Bobby how's everything, I never noticed that Eames nodded as to answer Ross' question... :blink:

One more:
Near the end, after a question Ernest answered, he went on to add "What meds are you on detective?" (addressing Bobby)... I LOVE that smirk Bobby gave him,lol! And Eames was smokin' hot... Nice :o
And yes, I too loved it how Bobby sat back to just watch her do her thing.



"Privilege" is the "Vanishing Act" of season 6... I mean in the sense that it's just so fun! Don't get me wrong though, all the eps of season 6 are entertaining one way or another (of course), but in "Privilege", you're just having fun with BA; nothing awfully depressing/jumpy... :) However in "Vanishing Act", Holiday almost ruined the serenity between our pair <_<
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Thanks for these, uni! I LOVE that first one. and yeah, I've always liked that other one, as well, where they're both looking up. Just another instance of mimicking each other's body language. I think we need to comprise a collection of those. As time goes on, there are more and more of them I've noticed. :D

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Okay. To continue this long ago discussion. You want to know how much of a nerd I really am? :blushes: :clears throat: Sometime back in one of the ep threads, Unicorn mentioned a book she was reading "Understanding Movies" by Louis Giannetti. It sounded interesting so I ordered it off e-bay (used copy, good price!). In the chapter about Mise en Sce'ne (placement of visual elements on stage or in a frame, as in a picture) there is a picture of Catherine McCormack and Edward Burns from "A Sound of Thunder". They are both leaning over chairs with their arms crossed identically. The following caption is underneath:

Parallelism is a common principle of design, implying similarity, unity, and mutual reinforcement. The compostition from "A Sound of Thunder" links the characters romantically. They're placed in parallel positions with similar gestures... The shot might almost be titled Made for Each Other. Symmetrical parallelism is rarely found in nature...
Hey y'all. Look at Bobby and Alex in the pictures above. SHIP!!! :wub:

It is NOT in our imaginations!
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oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! good find!

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Jan 18 2011, 01:07 AM

Okay.  To continue this long ago discussion.  You want to know how much of a nerd I really am?  :blushes:  :clears throat:   Sometime back in one of the ep threads, Unicorn mentioned a book she was reading  "Understanding Movies" by Louis Giannetti.  It sounded interesting so I ordered it off e-bay (used copy, good price!).   In the chapter about Mise en Sce'ne (placement of visual elements on stage or in a frame, as in a picture) there is a picture of Catherine McCormack and Edward Burns from "A Sound of Thunder".  They are both leaning over chairs with their arms crossed identically.  The following caption is underneath:

Parallelism is a common principle of design, implying similarity, unity, and mutual reinforcement.  The compostition from "A Sound of Thunder" links the characters romantically. They're placed in parallel positions with similar gestures... The shot might almost be titled Made for Each Other.  Symmetrical parallelism is rarely found in nature...[/orange]
Hey y'all.  Look at Bobby and Alex in the pictures above.    SHIP!!!
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It is NOT in our imaginations!


cool quote, skittles!

it's nice to be thought of as so intellectually gifted and studious, but ...

that was tiggy.

professor tigger, that is. she's the resident film studies nerd. but i'm thinking she'll welcome company with her mad pursuits.

with her superior knowledge of the process of production, she has proven and proven again that the 'your heart' sign in 'brother's keeper' is not a fantastic coincidence.

it's true, though. (was watching 'bonus features' on child's 'pushing daisies' episodes ... colour is an extremely important element in that show.)

it's ALL deliberate. all of it hinting and hinting and hinting ... hinting? what would they be hinting about? why would they do that?


what else are we meant to conclude?

parallel structure picture hunting time ... (unicorn trots off to the photobucketland meadow in search of parallelism ... tra la la)
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Oh no no. :o Didn't mean to not credit the correct source. Didn't you read that book too Unicorn? Ah well, anyway...

LOL I'm not pretending for one minute to have the book learnin' and experience of Dr. Tigger OR Unicorn in the knowledge of the theatre (pronounced down in these parts as "thee-ATE-er" :lol: ) and film and such. I just remember reading a post a long time ago and thinking that the book sounded interesting. And it is. AND it is full of a lot of information that takes my ADD brain a long time to process so reading is going v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y. But I am glad I got it. It is fascinating HOW MUCH really goes into the way actors, props, etc. are arranged and the way a scene is shot and different lenses and angles...Well, stuff we have been talking about here. ;) There really is a lot of psychology to it.

I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I actually bought the book... if y'all don't already think I'm obsessed I'm sure you do now! What did Nicole Wallace say about obssession leading to insanity?
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that is sssooo interesting to me that the book says that about visual parallels implying "similarity, unity, and mutual reinforcement". because when I see BA do this, this is exactly what comes to mind. their dance. They're one.
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also interesting how it says the picture of the two characters (I googled it, there's more than one like that in that movie!) links them romantically. That, I would not have specifically deduced on my own. although unity suggests romance in many a circumstance, and in the case of g/e, probably helped me clue in to the ship subconsciously. it's one of those ways we "know" without having a smoochie session or a wedding proposal. There's just a feeling. and these visual clues are part of what creates that imo.

hey uni! let me know of your findings in photobucketland! These "twin body language" instances are one of the things I need for my chunk of art that is coming soon! (I got some, but more can't hurt!)


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skittles: I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I actually bought the book... if y'all don't already think I'm obsessed I'm sure you do now! What did Nicole Wallace say about obssession leading to insanity?


don't be embarrassed! It's reading, and it's educational. no problem.
and on Nicole's comment, you're in good company! and in my case it's the other way around!
...or is it...:blink:


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Hey

My brain didn't come up with this, but another LOCI lover observed the name "Miles Stone” and suggested "milestone". Milestone? As in, Bobby and Alex come a long way toward mending their relationship? :o
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I like that! very clever, writers!
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I have nothing new to bring to the table. However, I want to say that I read this thread before watching this episode during the Monday marathon. It made it so much fun to look for things throughout; thank you for all of your brilliant observations.

I almost think this plot is deliberately muddled so that we have a clearer view of what is going on with B/A. Seriously, try as I might, I still can't completely figure out how the actual crime here unfolded. And I really don't think that is the point with this one. The two of them, though, you'd have to be deliberately obtuse to miss all of the neon signs.
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Jul 23 2010, 12:54 PM
I didn't want to open a whole new thread for my "Privilege" thoughts/observations (I watched it last night). So I'll just post them here since one of them is related to "Vanishing Act" :D

After the opening credits, BA where interviewing Isabel's neighbor Regan. She was feeling a little uncomfortable talking to the detectives about Isabel's sex life. To encourage her to open up, Eames said: "Regan, we are not passing judgment on Isabel. We just need to know if she had a man in her life".... I know we've been over this and we've pretty much all agreed, but when Eames said that I had this ridiculous grin on my face and obviously my mind flashed to "Vanishing Act" :wub:

Oh and uni. your #7 examples are present in this ep too: Isabel was seven when her mother allegedly killed herself...

In the playground, where BA had an imaginary son "Max", I found it really funny when Bobby had to add "Can you watch our son for us?" before they went on the 'Dilan hunt'... I mean, what was that for? :lol:

Another random observation:
When Ross asked Bobby how's everything, I never noticed that Eames nodded as to answer Ross' question... :blink:

One more:
Near the end, after a question Ernest answered, he went on to add "What meds are you on detective?" (addressing Bobby)... I LOVE that smirk Bobby gave him,lol! And Eames was smokin' hot... Nice :o
And yes, I too loved it how Bobby sat back to just watch her do her thing.



"Privilege" is the "Vanishing Act" of season 6... I mean in the sense that it's just so fun! Don't get me wrong though, all the eps of season 6 are entertaining one way or another (of course), but in "Privilege", you're just having fun with BA; nothing awfully depressing/jumpy... :) However in "Vanishing Act", Holiday almost ruined the serenity between our pair <_<

I also love when Ross asks Bobby if everything is ok, Ross is kinda looking Bobby up and down. I find it kinda funny, like Ross is admiring Bobby's uhhhh, physical attributes. And Bobby is looking down, acting all shy......Love that scene. :P
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