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Hooliganism: not just for football fans anymore
Topic Started: Mar 30 2007, 12:09 AM (298 Views)
The Palentine
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Meanwhile the "little" football season is only a few months away. If you have never seen "Arena Football" you should. It's really cute. It's American Football in the size of an ice hocky rink.


Arena Football just doesn't do it for me. I'll be watching my beloved Buccos play until after the All-Star Game and training camp opens and then swich over to following my Stillers.

I think I'd enjoy baseball more if some of the pitchers finally grew a pair of balls and took the inside of the plate back from the batters. Early Wynn would be in prison if he played ball today. He hated batters who crowded the plate and would send a high hard one to knock 'em down.
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Speaking of clarity, or rather speaking of non contact, I was listening to an NPR interview with this very ederly famous college basketball coach (he won 10 championships in a 12 year span) who was lamenting that college basketball was clearly becomming to violent with someone on the ground with a bloody nose practically every game.


He can bitch when 16* players in his league are carted off the ice on a stretcher in a single season.

*Number of NHL players who were knocked out (and thus, had to be taken off on a stretcher) due to fights this season - doesn't include hits and other medical problems

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I think we should just throw away "football" all together. It doesn't look like a foot. And before you say "you use your feet" you use other parts of your body as well right? Who hasn't seen someone head butted that spheroid? I propose that we call American/Canadian football "Pigskinball" and the other game "Geodesicball."


Have you noticed how football is the only sport that tries to name itself after the ball? I mean, baseball, the base is morelikely to refer to the fact that you're running the basses (and thus, the ball is named after the sport), football (soccer) is because you're primarily hitting the ball with your feet, and hockey...............well.....yeah. But no, football is called football because the ball looks like a foot. I mean, WTF? We should call it Downball or Yardball or something.
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The Palentine,Mar 30 2007
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I think I'd enjoy baseball more if some of the pitchers finally grew a pair of balls and took the inside of the plate back from the batters. Early Wynn would be in prison if he played ball today. He hated batters who crowded the plate and would send a high hard one to knock 'em down.

Damn right! Sal Maglie and Bob Gibson would be his cellmates.
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Apart from the whole football was invented first, and the name being an obvious clue for what football is about (ie to use feet with a ball as opposed to ideploying intricate set pieces every 20 seconds) you mean?

How about every major sporting organisation with anything to do with the sport calling it (association) football as opposed to soccer?

Then we have Irish football, Australian rules football, rugby union football, rugby league football etc etc. They don't see a need to change the name of football to anything else do they.

That's why. No one else feels the need to change a perfectly accurate and proper word to justify their own sports.
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It's just another dialect difference of American and British Englishes.

I used to play soccer when I was little.

But now I'm a fencer, which is the only sport a cultured person enjoys. :D
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Come to Australia and confuse the hell out of yourself. "Football" means different things depending on what State you're in. We've got League (sometimes called "Rugby", aka The Game They Play In Heaven), we've got Australian Rules (commonly "Rules" if you don't play it or "AFL" if you do -- I think), we've got Soccer (which has started calling itself "Football"), and there's another code known as That Thing The Yanks Call Football, which expats play in remote, mysterious bases up in the Territory, wearing helmets and padding.

There's also the thing kids play when they're not playing cricket or basketball and there aren't any adults around. This is known as "footie" and consists of running like a lunatic, with or without the ball, grabbing, tackling, headbutting, dogpiles (you couldn't call them "scrums", their sole purpose is mayhem), dribbling the ball, showing off with the ball (aka "Hey! You're playin' soccer!") and occasionally kicking a ball somewhere it shouldn't go and running like hell in the opposite direction.

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Hirota,Mar 30 2007
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Apart from the whole football was invented first, and the name being an obvious clue for what football is about (ie to use feet with a ball as opposed to ideploying intricate set pieces every 20 seconds) you mean?

How about every major sporting organisation with anything to do with the sport calling it (association) football as opposed to soccer?

Then we have Irish football, Australian rules football, rugby union football, rugby league football etc etc. They don't see a need to change the name of football to anything else do they.

That's why. No one else feels the need to change a perfectly accurate and proper word to justify their own sports.

I see you completely ignored my point.

It's not about logic, it's about clarity and courtesy. If you expect me to modify how I speak every single time I talk about one of my favorite sports, explain to me why I shouldn't expect you to perform the same courtesy for me. I don't care about whether you call it soccer or not.

And quite frankly, if we want to piss around about how everything calls it Football instead of Soccer, we have the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the American Football Conference and the National Football Conference, etc, etc, etc. If I bothered doing the research, I could show you how the minor leagues also don't call it "American Football".

It's called Football here, it is referred to as Football here and if you honestly want me to modify my language to suit your personal dialect, I don't think it's unfair for me to ask you to either do the same or piss off. We didn't set the standard for this board as either British or American (or Aussie, or Canadian). If you want clarity, ask. If you want to tell me how to speak, piss off.

I'm not saying it should be called Soccer, I'm saying that we know it as soccer and our first instincts when we hear the word football is that you're talking about running 93 yards on a punt return for a touchdown.

Also, I'm not interested in a mud slinging contest on the purpose and reasoning behind how a sport works or naming conventions for the sport and the stupidity of that. There's very few sports without stupid idiosyncrasies and the fact of the matter is that their fans accept them because they either think the idiosyncrasies make the game what it is or see it as a minor blemish compared to the enjoyment of the sport as it is.
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TBlack
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You really need to calm down.
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You really need to calm down.

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I felt that was rather calm, especially considering what needed to be said there.
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You are being antagonistic and you are pushing it. If you can't talk without feeling the need to rant at people in such a disrespectful way then you need to press the back button.
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TBlack,Mar 30 2007
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You are being antagonistic and you are pushing it. If you can't talk without feeling the need to rant at people in such a disrespectful way then you need to press the back button.

How is that disrespectful? I'm pointing out the flaws in his argument and complaining about him being disrespectful towards me by going "ours if Football, yours is American Football". Add on that his last post was easily as antagonistic as my own, I don't see why you are singling me out here.
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FL, try to take this as the comments of a neutral observer. I'm not a big fan of football (American or otherwise) and it really doesn't matter to me what people call these sports. I like baseball.

If I hear the term "soccer", I know what is being talked about. Likewise, I've used the term "American football" in conversations to make sure the other person knew what I was talking about.

This isn't something worth getting all worked up over. You said "piss off" twice. In a thread about football, of all things. It's not like they're trying to force us to call our elevators "lifts" or something. :D
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It's not that I mind using "American Football". I mind when I'm TOLD to use American football while the other person happily calls soccer, football. If they want to use Football, that's fine - so long as I can be lazy about naming when I'm talking. If they want me to call it American Football, fine, so long as they call it soocer.

And really, it's not about Football - it's about dialect elitism. Football just happens to be the instance of elitism being involved here.
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Great. Now calm down.
"You would think it obvious to anyone, with a grain of intelligence, that there are far too many people born in England."
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Yes, I forgot to mention - perhaps the reason why you think my text isn't calm is because I don't really see anger in the word "piss". But that's a different story.
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