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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 24 2007, 07:17 PM (209 Views) | |
| TBlack | Feb 24 2007, 07:17 PM Post #1 |
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The baby killer
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"It’s the first time I have ever heard of anybody being victimised because they write fantasy fiction. It’s just ridiculous as her books aren’t even aimed at children anyway. "I can’t see that what she’s written could possibly affect her professional life as a teacher. Other teachers in the past have written far racier stuff. Where do we draw the line as there’s far worse things a teacher could have done?" Can someone tell me how vampires hurt kiddies. And what the deal was with the penultimate paragraph? 'On Monday evening Mrs Goldstone’s husband Jack answered the door at their home.' Oh did he now? Like I bloody well care. |
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"You would think it obvious to anyone, with a grain of intelligence, that there are far too many people born in England." .:I'm melting!: http://alwaysautumn.etsy.com :. | |
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| Yelda | Feb 24 2007, 07:40 PM Post #2 |
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Godmodding Blatherskite
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Well if the husband's answering the door that means she's obviously up to something. Probably offering small children to a vampire that she keeps in the basement. |
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| Karmicaria | Feb 24 2007, 08:51 PM Post #3 |
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UNOG Dominatrix living the single life.
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Sigh. Bad teacher! Naughty teacher! You should be ashamed of yourself! :rolleyes: Whatever. Her books are not aimed at children and she's not harming anyone with them. It's not like she goes into class dressed in all black, showing fangs and drinking blood instead of coffee or something. People need to relax and get a fucking grip. |
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Such amusing fiction, these stories they tell. It always comes to this. If they really had a desire to live, they would've been more aware of how easy it is to die, would've chosen their actions more wisely. In these moments, you can tell they're not regretting having hurt you. They're regretting doing it to your face. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. | |
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| Kivisto | Feb 26 2007, 03:36 AM Post #4 |
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If for no reason other than to play devil's advocate, I'm going to make an attempt to justify some of the school's stance. As a Catholic Education Institute, the board probably has policies regarding the wholesomeness of their staff. Vampire eroticism and "dark and sexy nights" have little place within the scope of the wholesomeness that a church related facility would attempt to maintain. While I realize and accept that her writing was separate from her duties as a teacher, they do demonstrate some tendencies that are not of a purely devout Catholic bent. The very fact that vampires are traditionally depicted to be cast out from the grace of god with no hope of redemption leaves them in a place within Catholic dogma that should not be sensationalized or eroticized. Just as the priesthood has rules regarding the conduct of their members (regardless of time or place of conduct) so too could any other religious facility have rules about what is acceptable behaviours and pass-times for their staff. Apart from the religious aspect which would view her activities as blasphemous, most schools restrict the behaviour of their faculties in various ways. Usually regarding recreational drinking, drugs, illegalities, and various things somewhat less mundane than an english teacher writing a book, but surely it can be accepted that a Catholic school could rationally have an issue with their staff sensationalizing blasphemy, hedonism, and eroticism. Personally, I think I'm gonna check the local Chapters to see if I can find a copy. It sounds like an interesting read. |
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TBlack: Tits Des, tits. Yes dear, I saw. FL: Fine, so I'm opinionated - old news. | |
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| Hirota | Feb 26 2007, 05:27 AM Post #5 |
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I'm pretty certain it's a church of england school, kiv. |
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| Ardchoille | Feb 26 2007, 06:39 AM Post #6 |
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Figurehead, SS Petulant Snit
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A friend of mine was dismissed from a Lutheran school because she was Living In Sin. They found out because she one day she said "boyfriend" in a context where it should have been "husband". 'Course, this was 30 years ago. I'm afraid I have to go with the Hound of Hell* up there (hi, Kiv!). Religious schools advertising for teachers in Positions Vacant usually include some demand about religion, though it's usually carefully phrased to placate the Anti-Discrimination Act. So if you sign up to work for them, you know you're facing some level of restrictive demand and you're accepting it. All the same, they sound like a particularly fundamentalist bunch. Or maybe a very orthodox lot have taken over since she signed up. Anyway, this nonsense is bound to help her sales. *(That's just aimed at your avatar, Kiv. It always sets that phrase bouncing round my brain.) |
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| TBlack | Feb 26 2007, 07:12 AM Post #7 |
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It's Church of England and what I've heard from teachers is that they generally don't give a toss about your personal religion observance. Although it should be said that the area I grew up in there was little choice in the matter of faith vs secular schools and the secular schools where no less faity. Perhaps Accrington has higher standards. And the Church of England will generally let you get away with anything. Including being a woman. That said I really don't care what teachers get up to off the clock. And, quite frankly, I find this trend of looking good for the school and looking good for the company repulsive and threatening. I don't see why it matters what you do in your off hours as long as it doesn't effect your job. I even hate drug tests. Sure taking drugs is illegal but that's a matter for the police to deal with not your boss. Also, it's vanity published so I don't know where will have it. |
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| Enn | Feb 26 2007, 08:30 AM Post #8 |
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I know in Australia church schools aren't bound by anti-discrimination legislation. Under our laws, they can, and do, legally sack people for being of a different religion, for being gay and for a variety of other reasons. I'm not sure whether that's the same in the UK. |
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Also known as Istahan, Garialda, Aluzian, Anden, Darsomir, the Remnants of Enn and Dasri. Plus a few others I can't remember, and never lasted past 30 days. Since 13 January 2004! | |
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| Hirota | Feb 26 2007, 09:33 AM Post #9 |
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I worked with a few CofE schools, and they vary widely from the tolerant to the very rigid and absolute. Most are the former in my experience. |
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| Allech-Atreus | Feb 26 2007, 03:18 PM Post #10 |
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Trying Too Hard
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The same is true of Catholic schools here in the States. You range from the hardline to the hardly care. Sometimes the best ones are the schools that don't give a crap- most people just send their kiddies to a private school so they can say they were educated at a Catholic school. My mother went to a Catholic high school, Detroit area. It's all that could be expected from a Roman Catholic polish family. |
| Also known as Snefaldia and Palaam | |
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| Cobdenia | Feb 26 2007, 03:52 PM Post #11 |
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The Thinking Woman's Crumpet
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I went to a CofE public (i.e. private) school, which have a lot more scope for discriminating and other slightly dodgy things (they're still allowed to whack kids, even if none do), but even they wouldn't have thrown a teacher out for having a vivid imagination. In fact, I think a vivid imagination was a bonus... |
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Norbert But my name is Steve! No no no, it's spelled, "Steve," but it's pronounced, "Norbert ". You Lie! It's Mr June Rejection Wait, so now my name is Norbert June? | |
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| Randomea | Feb 26 2007, 05:31 PM Post #12 |
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As long as a male member of staff doesn't take a fancy...*ahem* When my school put on Dracula Spectacular we had objections from a couple of parents for portaying demonic characters. One of my mates said "it's because they're real". Always a strange one that girl..."only born-again Christians go to Heaven, the rest of you are going to Hell". |
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| TBlack | Feb 26 2007, 06:47 PM Post #13 |
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At the Christian Student's Union half a dozen BACs showed up with t-shirts that said 'religion causes all suffering' calming that Christianity doesn't count because it isn't a religion. |
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"You would think it obvious to anyone, with a grain of intelligence, that there are far too many people born in England." .:I'm melting!: http://alwaysautumn.etsy.com :. | |
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| Forgottenlord | Feb 26 2007, 07:00 PM Post #14 |
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I don't know about your experiences, but the ones I've been through have been relative safety concerns. Unfortunately, a large segment of workers in some of the lower industries will be high while working (in fact, I know of one incident where someone was fired on the spot for smoking marijuana during his break). People show up to work wasted or high and then try and either move heavy machinery or move around heavy machinery or drive company vehicles. Drug and alcohol tests for these kinds of environments are reasonable. |
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| TBlack | Feb 26 2007, 07:26 PM Post #15 |
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Drug tests don't really test if you are high though do they? My Dad is a yard manager and a forklift driver and instructor. If someone is driving unsafely someone should be on the yard to notice it. Whether they are high, drunk, or whatever. And if someone is drinking and taking drugs on the job then that's a different issue entirely. |
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